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CarolinaBirds for Wednesday, April 5, 2006

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 Subject From Time 
 Cleaning hummingbird feeders  Michael C. Parrish  12:35am 
 Re: Dog hair as nesting material  James Coman   6:53am 
 Re: Birds as mosquito predators; martins and native Americans  Chris Hill   8:04am 
 Re: RT Hummingbird Returns  Frederick Houk Jr  9:14am 
 Lake Julian, Buncombe Cty.  Tom Joyce  9:45am 
 Re: Birds as mosquito predators; martins and native Americans  miaim(AT)mebtel.net  9:51am 
 Re: RT Hummingbird Returns  Ric Carter   10:15am 
 Cackling G. and bird sizes  Doug Pratt   10:35am 
 FW: Birds as mosquito predators; martins and native Americans  Irvin Pitts  11:05am 
 Re: Birds as mosquito predators; martins and native Americans  John Connors   11:32am 
 Bluebirds vs. Squirrels!  Randy Dunson  11:46am 
 Public Input on Migratory Bird Hunting  Jennifer_Koches(AT)fws.  11:53am 
 Cackling/Canada Goose  david.f.smith(AT)gsk.co  11:53am 
 Ant Guard   12:00pm 
 Re: Cackling/Canada Goose  miaim(AT)mebtel.net  12:08pm 
 Re: martins and native Americans  jeff lewis   12:56pm 
 Cackling Goose  John Register  1:04pm 
 Re: Aerial plankton  Clyde Sorenson   1:16pm 
 Osprey nests and new arrivals  Olwen Jarvis  1:22pm 
 Re: martins and native Americans  Nate Dias   1:26pm 
 Thanks for replies   2:26pm 
 Falls Lake Wildathon  birdranger  3:08pm 
 Re: Cackling Goose and Sylvan Heights  jeff lewis   3:13pm 
 American White Pelicans and more  Andrei Podolsky  3:24pm 
 Re: martins and native Americans  Michael C. Parrish  4:26pm 
 and the disputes begin  KC Foggin  7:39pm 
 RTHU  Susan Ladd Miller  7:55pm 
 Re: Cackling/Canada Goose  Will Cook  9:11pm 
 RE: Chimney Shifts  Frederick Houk Jr  11:31pm 
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[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Cleaning hummingbird feeders From: "Michael C. Parrish" <pendragon1998(AT)yahoo.com> Date: 5 Apr 2006 12:35am Now that the RTHUs -- not RTHBs or RTHs! -- are coming back, I've got a question for you wise carolinabirders: The general advice I've always heard is "don't use detergents to clean your hummingbird feeders." I'll buy the arguments against consumer detergents, but has anyone considered a labware cleaner like liqui-nox? (not to be confused with liquinox, the fertilizer) I have easy access to the stuff at the lab I work at, where it is used because it doesn't leave any residues which would interfere with the chemistry we do. I was reviewing the "Inhibitory Residue Test of LIQUI-NOX on Glassware", which basically compared how many bacterial colonies will grow on liqui-nox cleaned glassware vs on a sterile petri dish. There was a <15% difference between liqui-nox cleaned glassware vs the sterile glassware. This would lead me to think that using liqui-nox and rinsing thoroughly should be safe for hummingbirds, since it has little impact on microbes. The report and other information is available at: http://www.alconox.com/ Just select the cleaner from the pull-down menu at the top, and select the report from the box next to it. What do y'all think about this? Michael C. Parrish Watkinsville, GA (Oconee Co.) http://www.arches.uga.edu/~parrishm/
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Dog hair as nesting material From: James Coman <hillshepherd(AT)skybest.com> Date: 5 Apr 2006 6:53am Dr. Mueller, and carolinabirds: Many species also use wool, which a flock of sheep will leave in tufts on fences, trees, briars, etc. in the pasture. Woolly Orchard Oriole nests are particularly obvious, looking remarkably like dirty socks hanging in the trees, and lasting for years. They add a certain "red-neck ambiance" to my landscaping. James Coman Executive Director Blue Ridge Rural Land Trust P. O. Box 2557 Boone, N. C. 28607 828-263-8776 info(AT)brrlt.org www.brrlt.org Farm Office: 9124 NC Hwy 93 Piney Creek, N. C. 28663 336-359-2909 Fax 336-359-8643 hillshepherd(AT)skybest.com On 4/4/06 11:32 PM, "Helmut Mueller" <hmuelle(AT)earthlink.net> wrote: > We have a German Shepherd who sheds copious amounts of hair. > when we comb him, we place some of the hair next to our feeder in a > large paper clamp, so that the wind does not blow it away. so far this > spring, we have had Chickadees, Titmice & Carolina wrens take hair for > nesting material. It is fun to watch, & since the birds fly directly to > their nests, it also helps in finding nests. If you don't have a dog, > they also use human hair trimmings. > > > Helmut C. Mueller > 409 Moonridge Road > Chapel Hill, NC 27516 > 919-942-4937 > hmueller(AT)email.unc.edu >
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Birds as mosquito predators; martins and native Americans From: Chris Hill <chill(AT)coastal.edu> Date: 5 Apr 2006 8:04am On Tuesday, April 4, 2006, at 10:14 PM, Clyde Sorenson wrote: > All, > > Since almost all mosquitoes (with some important and pernicious > exceptions) are primarily night or twilight flying, it is most > unlikely that martins or hummingbirds, etc. are likely to have much > impact on the adult flies. Since swifts typically forage above the > tree tops on the "aerial plankton," its unlikely that they, too, have > much impact, even when foraging at twilight. Even the night-flying > goatsuckers are not likely to have much impact- they prefer larger > prey and don't forage at the elevations most host seeking mosquitoes > use. Even those masters of night-time aerial predation, the bats, eat > relatively few mosquitoes- again, they generally prefer larger, > meatier prey. Other insects and spiders probably have much more impact > on adult mosquitoes than any other taxon. Good points by Clyde Sorenson, as always. I'll add that although we think of mosquitoes as flying pests, they probably spend 23.8 hours out of 24 sitting on the undersides of leaves, or in grass (humid, shady places), and only take flight when warm-blooded prey approaches (which explains our misperception!). So swallows and the like are particularly ill suited to controlling mosquitoes. Can you easily picture a swift walking through the grass and gleaning roosting bugs? I thought not. Incidentally, this is also an argument against bug zappers being effective at controlling mosquitoes. Chris Hill Conway, SC
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: RT Hummingbird Returns From: "Frederick Houk Jr" <woodthrush2263(AT)hotmail.com> Date: 5 Apr 2006 9:14am I swear that some of the little guys "know" who we are. (Don't laugh too hard...) I had one buzz me so close, I felt the breeze from his wings yesterday...same thing was quite frequent when I sat in that same spot last summer. In past years, if we haven't had the feeders out in time, I've known the first ones back to fly up to the big glass door where we are most often seen by them, and hover there until we noticed them, which we take as a "HELLO!...FEED ME, Dang it!" greeting. (I know...anthropomorphic.) Another "oddity". My wife has had a titmouse hop on her head to steal hair for it's nest every spring for the last three years...happened this weekend. The tiny little bird was somewhat (not too!, obviously) wary, and hopped on her shoulder, around her feet, and then, after it got the hoped for lack of retaliation, it went straight to her hair, as it (or one of it's family) had done previously. She's always sitting in the same spot on the porch, reading, when it happens. Magic... Fred Houk Chatham County >From: Jerrold Griggs <griggs(AT)math.sc.edu> >To: carolinabirds(AT)duke.edu >Subject: Re: RT Hummingbird Returns >Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:26:49 -0400 (EDT) > >Similar to other reports, we rehung our Hummingbird feeders yesterday, >on April 1 (we took them down a month ago after months of inactivity). > >A bright male Ruby-throated made an appearance late this afternoon! >He may be just passing through--we don't usually get regular feeders >for several more weeks. > >Other signs of spring last evening were a Green Treefrog in our mailbox, >an early Firefly, and Eastern Mockingbirds singing after midnight. > >Jerry Griggs j(AT)sc.edu >Columbia, SC > > > > > > > >
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Lake Julian, Buncombe Cty. From: tominbrevard(AT)webtv.net (Tom Joyce) Date: 5 Apr 2006 9:45am C'Birders, At the lake this morinng, I found a raft of several dozen waterfowl which included quite a few scaup, several wigeon, a number of blue-winged teal, a ringed-neck duck, and a red-breasted merganser. Separately,I observed a single horned grebe, a common loon, and a pair of ruddy ducks in disparate locations. Flyovers included a dc cormorant, and an osprey which made a sinlge pass over a corner of the lake and then, unfortuntely, disappeared from view. I did not encounter the fish crow reported there yesterday. Tom Joyce Brevard, NC (mtns.)
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Birds as mosquito predators; martins and native Americans From: miaim(AT)mebtel.net Date: 5 Apr 2006 9:51am Josh Rose once pointed out that dragonflies and brown bats eat far more mosquitoes than martins. In fact, if I remember correctly, Josh mentioned that martins eat dragonflies. So, as much as I like purple martins, they may actually be counterproductive for mosquito control. I've seen a site claiming that a dragonfly can eat 600 mosquitoes a day, whereas a brown bat might eat up to 1200/hr. I don't know about the accuracy of those claims, any more than the accuracy of the claims about martins consuming huge numbers of mosquitoes based on body weight, but it's something to think about. Mike Swaim Mebane, NC
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: RT Hummingbird Returns From: Ric Carter <ricc(AT)mindspring.com> Date: 5 Apr 2006 10:15am I've had the exact same experience with hummers in Washington. They hover impatiently at the glass door I use to refill the feeder. Ric Carter Garner & Little Washington On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Frederick Houk Jr wrote: > I swear that some of the little guys "know" who we are. (Don't > laugh too hard...) I had one buzz me so close, I felt the breeze > from his wings yesterday...same thing was quite frequent when I sat > in that same spot last summer. In past years, if we haven't had > the feeders out in time, I've known the first ones back to fly up > to the big glass door where we are most often seen by them, and > hover there until we noticed them, which we take as a > "HELLO!...FEED ME, Dang it!" greeting. (I know...anthropomorphic.)
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Cackling G. and bird sizes From: Doug Pratt <Doug.Pratt(AT)ncmail.net> Date: 5 Apr 2006 10:35am Hi birders: The recent posts about Cackling Goose in NC prompt a couple of replies. Some of you may remember Gaddy's Goose Refuge, which no longer exists as far as I know, near Ansonville. It was a spectacular concentration of waterfowl for the Piedmont, and I was taken there several times as a young teenager. On one visit, people pointed out a pair of "Canada Geese" that were the size of Mallards (with which they were swimming) and called them Cackling Geese (although not then considered a separate species). I don't know if this record ever made it into the books, but I have no doubt of the ID (and may even still have my notes packed away somewhere). On a more general topic, Dave Hardin twice remarked in his original post that his small geese did not look like juveniles. This reflects a very widespread misconception among the general public as well as birders that juvenile birds are smaller than adults. That is because we are mammals, and young mammals are smaller than their parents and get bigger over a long time span. Birds are different. Once a bird fledges (i. e. is capable of flight and independence), it is as big as it is ever going to get. All of the increase in size occurs in the nest for most passerines or others with nest-bound (nidicolous) young, or during the period of parental dependency for those birds, such as waterfowl, gallinaceous birds, and shorebirds, that have chicks capable of leaving the nest immediately (nidifugous). Size would never be an indicator of age for a wintering goose. If it's small, it probably belongs to a smaller subspecies or a different species. Of course, there is variation within populations, but usually much less than between populations. If you think about it, this is a very good thing for birders. We use size all the time to differentiate species, not age categories. What if Hairy Woodpeckers went through a stage in which they were the same size as Downies? Or if a young Great Egret could be the size of a Cattle? Or a young free-flying raven could be the size of a crow? You'd be surprised how many laymen would think that a Sharp-shinned Hawk must be a young Cooper's, or that screech owls are just baby Barred or Great Horned. Juvenile birds can often be identified, of course, but not on the basis of size. Doug -- H. Douglas Pratt, Curator of Birds Research and Collections North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences 11 West Jones Street Raleigh, NC 27601-1029 Phone: (919)733-7450 ext. 728 E-mail: doug.pratt(AT)ncmail.net
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: FW: Birds as mosquito predators; martins and native Americans From: "Irvin Pitts" <ipitts(AT)scprt.com> Date: 5 Apr 2006 11:05am Folks- This discussion reminds me of an observation I made some years back at Hampton Plantation State Historic Site, Charleston County, SC. On that day, swarms of dragonflies hawked the multitudes of mosquitoes stirred up from the fields by bush hogging while a group of Mississippi kites swooped around snatching dragonflies. During this action, the Park Technician continuously waved his arms at the hordes of hungry mosquitoes- a demonstration of the food chain in action! Irvin Pitts Lexington, SC -----Original Message----- From: carolinabirds-owner(AT)acpub.duke.edu [mailto:carolinabirds-owner(AT)acpub.duke.edu] On Behalf Of miaim(AT)mebtel.net Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:17 AM Cc: carolinabirds(AT)duke.edu Subject: Re: Birds as mosquito predators; martins and native Americans Josh Rose once pointed out that dragonflies and brown bats eat far more mosquitoes than martins. In fact, if I remember correctly, Josh mentioned that martins eat dragonflies. So, as much as I like purple martins, they may actually be counterproductive for mosquito control. I've seen a site claiming that a dragonfly can eat 600 mosquitoes a day, whereas a brown bat might eat up to 1200/hr. I don't know about the accuracy of those claims, any more than the accuracy of the claims about martins consuming huge numbers of mosquitoes based on body weight, but it's something to think about. Mike Swaim Mebane, NC
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Birds as mosquito predators; martins and native Americans From: John Connors <John.Connors(AT)ncmail.net> Date: 5 Apr 2006 11:32am Hi all. Most agree that Purple Martins do little to control mosquitoes, but I wouldn't be too quick to discount their impact on flies, including biting flies like deer flies and horseflies. I have seen them in the company of Barn Swallows foraging among the grazing animals near the NCSU Vet School. I suspect Barn Swallows have a greater impact on mosquitoes since they are low fliers and often nest near water. Flycatchers like Phoebes and Acadian Flycatchers, and gleaners among wet ground foliage, like Common Yellowthroats, must eat their share. But mosquitoes are such prolific breeders, the impact of bird predation probably doesn't make that much of a difference. (Seems I recall there was a study done to ascertain the impact of birds foraging on caterpillars...they put nets over a number of trees and watched what happened...they were defoliated in large measure because of the exclusion of predators. So who knows?) This does little for a City Dweller like me. We are beset by Asian Tiger Mosquitoes and none of these birds live among our downtown houses. Bats can be effective, but once again this is species specific. Big Brown Bats sre urban dwellers, but they are a high flying species that prefer beetles and moths. Little Brown Bats also live in cities and they do forage on mosquitoes, midges and other small insects often near water...but they only live in the mountains of North Carolina. With Asian Tiger Mosquitoes, a low-flying, day active species, I suspect low flying dragonflies and damselflies would be the best predator. That might be a good business for someone to get in to...raising damselflies to release for Asian Tiger Mosquito control. John Connors @ NC Museum of Natural Sciences. miaim(AT)mebtel.net wrote: > Josh Rose once pointed out that dragonflies and brown bats eat far more > mosquitoes than martins. In fact, if I remember correctly, Josh mentioned that > martins eat dragonflies. So, as much as I like purple martins, they may actually > be counterproductive for mosquito control. I've seen a site claiming that a > dragonfly can eat 600 mosquitoes a day, whereas a brown bat might eat up to > 1200/hr. I don't know about the accuracy of those claims, any more than the > accuracy of the claims about martins consuming huge numbers of mosquitoes based > on body weight, but it's something to think about. > > > Mike Swaim > Mebane, NC
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Bluebirds vs. Squirrels! From: "Randy Dunson" <trdunson(AT)nc.rr.com> Date: 5 Apr 2006 11:46am I've had an interesting show to watch the last few days at one of my bluebird houses. My home office overlooks one of the houses. Even though the squirrels have not attempted to climb the tree on which the box is mounted the nesting couple makes darn sure they come no where near the house! It's really funny watching the bluebirds chase the squirrels down from the trees and such. I wish I had a digicam to capture the action. Regards,   Randy Dunson Hillsborough, NC  
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Public Input on Migratory Bird Hunting From: Jennifer_Koches(AT)fws.gov Date: 5 Apr 2006 11:53am PUBLIC INPUT ON MIGRATORY BIRD HUNTING TO BE SOUGHT AT APRIL 12 CHARLESTON MEETING The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service will hold a public meeting Wednesday, April 12 in Charleston to ask for input into drafting a Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement on the hunting of migratory birds. The public meeting will be 7 p.m. Wednesday, April 12 at the Fort Johnson Marine Laboratory, 217 Fort Johnson Road, on James Island in Charleston. The Charleston meeting is one of 12 public scoping meetings that will be conducted around the country by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. "Migratory bird management is a key mission of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service," said Service Director H. Dale Hall. "This National Environmental Policy Act process will ensure that all voices are heard as we further our nation's migratory bird hunting tradition and examine its role as a wildlife management tool." The S.C. Department of Natural Resources (DNR) sets the migratory game bird seasons in South Carolina using the regulatory processes and season frameworks established by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. The Charleston scoping session will allow all sportsmen and wildlife managers to have input into future migratory game bird regulation. Under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act and the Fish and Wildlife Improvement Act, the Secretary of the Interior has the authority to determine whether migratory bird hunting can take place and issue regulations to guide management. Migratory game birds are species designated in conventions between the United States and Canada, Mexico, Japan, and Russia. The draft Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement, which will contain management alternatives, will be published for comment next year. The notice of the public scoping process was published in the March 9 volume of the "Federal Register." Written comments regarding the Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement scoping are due by May 30 to: Chief, Division of Migratory Bird Management, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Department of the Interior, MS MBSP-4107-ARLSQ, 1849 C Street, NW, Washington, DC 20240. Alternately, comment may be sent by fax to (703) 358-2217 or by e-mail to huntingseis(AT)fws.gov. All comments received from the initiation of this process on Sept. 8, 2005, (when the Service published a Notice of Intent to prepare a Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement) until May 30 will be considered. For more information on the Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement on migratory bird hunting, visit the Web site: http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/fedreg/MGBHR.HTML. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service regulates the hunting of waterfowl, cranes, rails, snipe and woodcock and doves and pigeons. Regulations governing seasons and limits are created annually since bird populations change from year to year. The annual regulations have been written by the Service each year since 1918. Other regulations, termed "basic" regulations, such as those governing hunting methods, are changed only when a need to do so arises. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is the principal federal agency responsible for conserving, protecting and enhancing fish, wildlife and plants and their habitats for the continuing benefit of the American people. The Service manages the 95-million-acre National Wildlife Refuge System, which encompasses 545 national wildlife refuges, thousands of small wetlands and other special management areas. It also operates 69 national fish hatcheries, 64 fishery resources offices and 81 ecological services field stations. The agency enforces federal wildlife laws, administers the Endangered Species Act, manages migratory bird populations, restores nationally significant fisheries, conserves and restores wildlife habitat such as wetlands, and helps foreign and Native American tribal governments with their conservation efforts. It also oversees the Federal Assistance program, which distributes hundreds of millions of dollars in excise taxes on fishing and hunting equipment to state fish and wildlife agencies. Jennifer M. Koches U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service 176 Croghan Spur Road, Suite 200 Charleston, S.C. 29407
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Cackling/Canada Goose From: david.f.smith(AT)gsk.com Date: 5 Apr 2006 11:53am Fellow birders, If you haven't found it yet, there's a good essay by David Sibley here: http://www.sibleyguides.com/canada_cackling.htm. He discusses the possible 7 subspecies of Canada Goose (Branta canadensis) and 4 of Cackling Goose (B. hutchinsii) and the overlap and identification problems among them. David F. Smith GlaxoSmithKline, RTP, NC
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Ant Guard From: <welchd(AT)peoplepc.com> Date: 5 Apr 2006 12:00pm I had lots of trouble keeping ants out of my hummingbird feeder last year. I saw a new type of ant guard (new to me anyway) that is bellshaped, into which you put Vaseline, and attach the device over the hanger of the feeder. Does anyone have experience with this type ant guard, as to whether it works well? Would summer heat cause any problems with dripping of the Vaseline? Thanks for any help! Shelia Welch Campobello, SC welchd(AT)peoplepc.com
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Cackling/Canada Goose From: miaim(AT)mebtel.net Date: 5 Apr 2006 12:08pm Quoting david.f.smith(AT)gsk.com: > Fellow birders, > > If you haven't found it yet, there's a good essay by David Sibley here: > http://www.sibleyguides.com/canada_cackling.htm. He discusses the > possible 7 subspecies of Canada Goose (Branta canadensis) and 4 of > Cackling Goose (B. hutchinsii) and the overlap and identification problems > among them. > > David F. Smith > GlaxoSmithKline, RTP, NC David, that was the article I originally linked when I questioned Cackling Goose sightings in NC, before a dozen folks chimed in via email and the list to "correct" me. Since then, I've been having an interesting email discussion about that article with a few folks. For those that haven't read the entire article, one of the interesting bits, and the part that prompted me to answer as I did is this. "Cackling Cackling Goose B. h. minima is strictly a Pacific population, with few if any acceptable records east of the Rockies (they are fairly common in captivity). It is also the smallest and shortest-billed, with no overlap in size with Lesser Canada Goose. Aleutian Cackling Goose B. h. leucopareia is a rare goose with a very limited range and few records east of the Sierra-Cascade mountains. Taverner's Cackling Goose B. h. taverneri nests in Alaska and apparently winters mainly in Washington and Oregon, and must be rare east of the Rockies. Richardson's Cackling Goose B. h. hutchinsii nests in Arctic Canada and winters mainly in Texas and Mexico. Thus Richardson's and Taverner's Cackling Geese are the heart of the problem. Distinguishing both of these from Lesser Canada Goose will require a better sense of the variation in all three subspecies, since bill measurements overlap." Mike Swaim Mebane, NC
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: martins and native Americans From: jeff lewis <jlewis_obx(AT)yahoo.com> Date: 5 Apr 2006 12:56pm All: One theory about Purple Martins and Native Americans is that they used the Purple Martins to keep the vultures away from their animal carcasses, since they were normally left hanging outside. Jeff Lewis --- Clyde Sorenson <clyde_sorenson(AT)ncsu.edu> wrote: > All, > > Since almost all mosquitoes (with some important and > pernicious > exceptions) are primarily night or twilight flying, > it is most unlikely > that martins or hummingbirds, etc. are likely to > have much impact on the > adult flies. Since swifts typically forage above the > tree tops on the > "aerial plankton," its unlikely that they, too, have > much impact, even > when foraging at twilight. Even the night-flying > goatsuckers are not > likely to have much impact- they prefer larger prey > and don't forage at > the elevations most host seeking mosquitoes use. > Even those masters of > night-time aerial predation, the bats, eat > relatively few mosquitoes- > again, they generally prefer larger, meatier prey. > Other insects and > spiders probably have much more impact on adult > mosquitoes than any > other taxon. > > Larval mosquitoes are sometimes important prey for > birds, but > unfortunately, the relationship between adult > mosquitoes and birds is > usually "diner" and "dinner." Mosquitoes are > important vectors of avian > diseases (i.e. the infamous West Nile- actually a > bird virus that > "accidentally" sickens us). > > While I suspect there is some truth to the > supposition that native > Americans put up gourds to assist in pest control in > one way or another, > I think another possibility might also have been in > play- don't y'all > think its likely the First Americans enjoyed simply > having martins > around as much as we do? > > Take care, > > Clyde Sorenson > Clayton and Raleigh, NC > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Cackling Goose From: "John Register" <jregister4(AT)cox.net> Date: 5 Apr 2006 1:04pm C'Birders... The Sylvan Heights Waterfowl Center near Scotland Neck lists Cackling Goose among its collection of 170± species of birds. Even if you're not inclined to go that far to see a Cackling Goose eyeball-to-eyeball, the othjer 169± species make it a very interesting place to visit. Go to www.sylvan-heights.org to visit on line. John Register Washington, NC
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Aerial plankton From: Clyde Sorenson <clyde_sorenson(AT)ncsu.edu> Date: 5 Apr 2006 1:16pm Kent and all, Most of the aerial plankton is insects (and other arthropods), in transit from source areas, seeking new food sources, and to a lesser extent, new breeding opportunities. On any given summer night, there are probably billions of insects moving through the skies across a wide altitudinal range (from a few to thousands of feet) over North Carolina; any given summer day, almost as many. Some remarkably small insects, like aphids, may travel at remarkably great altitudes moving from one field to another, sometimes many miles away; ballooning spiderlings can ascend to hundreds if not thousands of feet. These critters are pretty much at the mercy of wind currents, hence the "plankton" appellation. Of course, there is a huge amount of aerial biomass that does have some say in the directionality of its movement (like the corn earworm and armyworm adults), but wind currents still direct in part the movement of all but the largest and strongest fliers. The swifts you see dancing through the summer sky hundreds of feet over head are working this resource- and most bats make their living exclusively from it. Just as birds can be tracked with radar, so can migratory swarms of insects- the use of this technique is a whole sub-discipline of entomology. Take care Clyde Sorenson Clayton and Raleigh Kent Fiala wrote: > Clyde, > Your mention of "aerial plankton" prompts me to ask something I've often wondered about. There's obviously a lot of it since whole families of birds have evolved to exploit it. What is it doing up there? What is the resource they live on? (It has to be something more than "each other"). Is it all mating swarms that have ceased feeding? Are they up there for good once they go up, or do they return to Earth to feed? > > -- > Kent Fiala > via wireless > >
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Osprey nests and new arrivals From: "Olwen Jarvis" <olwen(AT)coastalnet.com> Date: 5 Apr 2006 1:22pm I am happy to report the Ospreys are re building the nests on NW Creek, that were destroyed in Monday's storms. This morning I saw the first Green Heron and the first Eastern Kingbird here in Fairfield Harbour, New Bern area. NC. Olwen Jarvis New Bern NC
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: martins and native Americans From: Nate Dias <offshorebirder(AT)yahoo.com> Date: 5 Apr 2006 1:26pm And Martins would have helped keep flies off the animal carcasses. Martins also like eating wasps so perhaps they helped control those insects around Native American communities (I bet wasp nests in a wigwam/teepee were not fun). --- jeff lewis <jlewis_obx(AT)yahoo.com> wrote: > All: > One theory about Purple Martins and Native Americans > is that they used the Purple Martins to keep the > vultures away from their animal carcasses, since > they > were normally left hanging outside. > Jeff Lewis > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Thanks for replies From: <welchd(AT)peoplepc.com> Date: 5 Apr 2006 2:26pm Thanks for the replies about the ant guards. Now, if the hummers will just arrive... Last year's first arrival was on an early date for me of April 10, but hearing all the reports of this year's arrivals, I am hopeful this year will bring at least one here earlier than that date. Shelia Welch Campobello, SC welchd(AT)peoplepc.com
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Falls Lake Wildathon From: "birdranger" <cbockhahn4(AT)earthlink.net> Date: 5 Apr 2006 3:08pm Hello birders and butterfliers, I am gearing up for my SIXTH year conducting a 24 hour Wildathon at Falls Lake to raise money for the New Hope Audubon Socieity. The Wildathon is a 24 hour count of flora and fauna at Falls Lake areas for Charity! I will again try to do a FULL 24 hour count starting at 6:00 a.m. May 4th to 6:00 a.m. on the 5th, being an insomniac pays off sometimes. Lets see if I can beat my record of 108 bird species! I restrict myself to the Falls Lake watershed of part of four counties. I will take pledges for each species group counted. If you wish to donate a dollar for each reptile I count and 10 reptiles are seen during count day, total donation is $10.00. Below is my average totals for each group, to help guide your donation (weather can affect numbers seen and as always pledges can be changed). Flat dollar amount donations will also be accepted. Donations can be remitted after the event upon notification of the results. Checks will be payable to Audubon Birdathon. Included on the web site (http://www.bwwells.org/wildathon) is the pledge form and a description of where your wildathon contribution goes. Here is a list of what species I will be counting, and an approximation of species totals for each group. Birds 80-110 species Mammals 8-12 species Reptiles 8-12 species Amphibians 8-12 species Butterflies 18-25 species Odonates (Dragonflies and Damsels) 15-20 species Fireflies 3-7 species I will also tally Moths, fish and wildflowers. Anyone interested in donating contact me by EMAIL at cbockhahn4(AT)earthlink..net or 676-1027. I have finished my wildathon web site with lots more information at http://www.bwwells.org/wildathon ***PLEASE FORWARD TO ANYONE YOU THINK MAY BE INTERESTED*** Thank you for your support! Brian Bockhahn Falls Lake State Park Ranger Falls & Kerr Lake CBC Compiler cbockhahn4(AT)earthlink.net www.ncsparks.net www.geocities.com/birdrangerbb www.bwwells.org http://www.bwwells.org/wildathon
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Cackling Goose and Sylvan Heights From: jeff lewis <jlewis_obx(AT)yahoo.com> Date: 5 Apr 2006 3:13pm Yes, Sylvan Heights is a super place to visit! They have everything! I have particularly enjoyed studying our North American species up close, for a change. And you need to go now. They are giving prearranged tours for groups of 10 or more for a nominal fee, unless things have changed from when I was last there. Beginning in June, after their grand opening, these behind-the-scene tours will probably not be available. Jeff Lewis Manteo, NC --- John Register <jregister4(AT)cox.net> wrote: > C'Birders... > The Sylvan Heights Waterfowl Center near > Scotland Neck lists > Cackling Goose among its collection of 170± species > of birds. Even if > you're not inclined to go that far to see a Cackling > Goose > eyeball-to-eyeball, the othjer 169± species make it > a very interesting > place to visit. Go to www.sylvan-heights.org to > visit on line. > John Register > Washington, NC > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: American White Pelicans and more From: "Andrei Podolsky" <andrei_podolsky(AT)bellsouth.net> Date: 5 Apr 2006 3:24pm I drove 751 from 64 towards I-40. -\ White Creek area: big Great Blue Heron rookery (seen from the road), at least 50 nests, birds sit on most of them. OSPREY was building nest on the edge of this rookery (just a small pile of branches so far). 'She' was tearing big branches off with her feet while flying over the tree tops and bringing them to the top of a tall forked snag. COMMON YELLOWTHROATS. Shortly before the observation platform trail parking, Osprey sat on the edge of the nest on the top of the tall snag sticking out of the lake. I scanned the water from the platform: plenty of cormorants and few gulls. If you walk north from there on unmarked path right along the shore, you eventually will see a small peninsula on your left (about 1/2 miles south from the bay where the 751 bridge is. EIGHT AMERICAN WHITE PELICANS were seen there (over the lake right across from the bridge), 12:45 to 1 pm, soaring/gliding above the water in big 'diagonal' circles (i.e. getting close to the water surface and then rising up).they never sat on the water and moved up north along what is an 'arm' of the lake corresponding to new hope creek. There was intensive shooting going on in that area - maybe that is why they never sat on the water? On the other hand, gulls and cormorants didn't care about the shooting, and two bald eagles were actually soaring above that area (old adult and younger adult). 7 turkey vultures and 1 black vulture were circling above my head when I watched the pelicans from the peninsula. It was funny to see them as a part of the same 'flock'. Yellow-rumps were plentiful and sang. So were gnatcatchers.
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: martins and native Americans From: "Michael C. Parrish" <pendragon1998(AT)yahoo.com> Date: 5 Apr 2006 4:26pm I've got a few thoughts on why Native Americans would put up gourds: In the movie Cold Mountain, Renée Zellweger's character said they should put up some martin gourds to keep the crows away from the corn crops. I suppose that might be one explanation. I'm not so certain about using the martins to keep vultures away. Much of the meat that would have been temporarily stored outside would have been at some stage of being preserved (e.g. smoking over a low fire or covered in salt). Turkey Vultures are attracted to the smell of rotting meat and I don't really think they would go after fresh meat being salted or smoked. Maybe the indians simply liked seeing the martins flying around. I'm sure they appreciated birds and bird songs just as much as modern Americans do. Finally, the native peoples of the eastern US didn't live in tipis. They lived in lodges, long houses, and wigwams, depending on the area in question. An interesting map of their dwelling styles is located at: http://www.nativeamericans.com/housemap.gif It's interesting to see that the areas in the east where the indians lived in permanent dwellings (allowing farming to be possible) roughly equal the range of the Purple Martin: http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/resource/distr/birds/breedrng/maps/flycwren/swallow/puma4.htm Oh, and I just saw my yard's first (two) Ruby-throated Hummingbirds of the season. Yay!! --- Nate Dias <offshorebirder(AT)yahoo.com> wrote: > And Martins would have helped keep flies off the > animal carcasses. > > Martins also like eating wasps so perhaps they helped > control those insects around Native American > communities (I bet wasp nests in a wigwam/teepee were > not fun). > > --- jeff lewis <jlewis_obx(AT)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > All: > > One theory about Purple Martins and Native Americans > > is that they used the Purple Martins to keep the > > vultures away from their animal carcasses, since > > they > > were normally left hanging outside. Michael C. Parrish Watkinsville, GA (Oconee Co.) http://www.arches.uga.edu/~parrishm/
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: and the disputes begin From: "KC Foggin" <KCFoggin(AT)sc.rr.com> Date: 5 Apr 2006 7:39pm Only here two days and the territorial disputes have begun already. This little female was charging anything and everything that came anywhere near this feeder. Have not seen the male since the 3rd. http://upload.pbase.com/image/58250347 KC Foggin Socastee Myrtle Beach SC www.birdforum.net
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: RTHU From: "Susan Ladd Miller" <picoidesborealis(AT)hotmail.com> Date: 5 Apr 2006 7:55pm Count me in - I finally got a look at both a male and female RTHU visiting my hummingbird feeder this evening (although not at the same time). Time to make another batch of sugar water and hang some more feeders! Susan Miller West End, NC (Moore County)
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Cackling/Canada Goose From: "Will Cook" <cwcook(AT)duke.edu> Date: 5 Apr 2006 9:11pm Concerning Cackling Goose ID in North Carolina, there are two separate issues involved. One is whether the Branta hutchinsii minima Cackling Geese that have been documented in the state are wild or escapes, and the other is whether the most expected race of Cackling Goose in the state, B. hutchinsii hutchinsii, can be reliably separated from Lesser Canada Goose (B. canadensis parvipes) in the field. On 11/27/04 Derb Carter photographed a raft of five minima Cackling Geese at Lake Mattamuskeet: http://www.carolinabirdclub.org/gallery/cacg_dcarter.html and on 12/29/04 I photographed a raft of three: http://www.carolinanature.com/birds/cacklinggoose.html I don't think there's any dispute about the identification of these tiny, dark-breasted, stubby-billed, block-headed geese, but how can we tell whether these were escapees or truly wild? Sibley states that minima is "strictly a Pacific population," but this is not entirely correct. It is true that they're primarily found in the Pacific states, but I don't think you can automatically discount all the records from elsewhere just because of the possiblity of escapes. Captive waterfowl do escape from time to time, but a flock of five? The status of unusual waterfowl often can't be proven 100% either way, but you can look for trends in these reports to see if patterns of vagrancy develop. Angus Wilson (http://www.oceanwanderers.com/CAGO.Subspecies.html) states that "A few have been reported from eastern North America as well as Western Europe. In the Netherlands, minima regularly occurs in large flocks of Barnacle Geese, but has not been added to the Dutch list because of its westerly range, and the fact that many of the birds have had captive-style rings." I did a quick web search and found reports from Norway, Sweden, the UK, and Japan. Interestingly, a Barnacle Goose was found at Mattamuskeet the previous winter. The consensus was this bird was wild because of the location (mixed in with a flock of Snow Geese, in a wild location) and the timing (pattern of other reports in late fall). An uninjured Barnacle or Cackler found in summer would be suspect. On the second issue, B. hutchinsii hutchinsii is the most expected subspecies in the state because it has the easternmost range of the Cackling Goose subspecies, breeding as far east as Baffin Island, Nunavut. This site has a map of recovery distribution for banded B.h.h.: http://www.ofo.ca/cackling/ (Fig. 1). As you can see, birds banded on Baffin Island have been recovered in North Carolina and most of the other states between NC and Baffin. The smallest current subspecies of Canada Goose, B. canadensis parvipes, poses an identification challenge because its size, while greater on average, overlaps that of B. h. hutchinsii, and the plumage is only subtly different. This subspecies is more westerly in distribution than hutchinsii, but it has been reported for NC. In a message sent to the birding frontiers e-mail group, Ian McLaren pointed out that "AOU (1952) lists one from N.Carolina". This website gives extensive details about what to look for to separate B. h. hutchinsii from B. c. parvipes: www.idahobirds.net/identification/white-cheeked/subspecies.html If these criteria are correct, it is possible to separate the two by shape of the head and bill, even though there is overlap in size. On 11/27/04 Jonathan Hays photographed this goose in Haywood Co., NC: http://www.carolinabirdclub.org/gallery/cacg_mays.html This goose looks to be the right size for hutchinsii, but using the criteria in the idahobirds.net article, I think the head shape looks a little better for parvipes -- the forehead doesn't look like it rises very steeply and the head is not blocky looking. The breast also does not look very white. I'm not sure I'd be willing to call it either way, though! South Carolina has a couple of specimens of hutchinsii -- see Will Post's summary article in The Chat (with photo, showing blocky head): http://www.carolinabirdclub.org/chat/issues/2004/v68n3cackling_goose.pdf Getting back to Dave Hardin's original question, yes Cackling Goose is possible (and expected) at Pea Island, but I wouldn't add it to my life list without eliminating the possibility of Lesser Canada Goose first. On thing's for sure -- there's still plenty to be learned about the distribution and identification of these little geese! On 5 Apr 2006 at 12:33, miaim(AT)mebtel.net wrote: > David, that was the article I originally linked when I questioned Cackling Goose > sightings in NC, before a dozen folks chimed in via email and the list to > "correct" me. Since then, I've been having an interesting email discussion about > that article with a few folks. For those that haven't read the entire article, > one of the interesting bits, and the part that prompted me to answer as I did is > this. > > "Cackling Cackling Goose B. h. minima is strictly a Pacific population, with few > if any acceptable records east of the Rockies (they are fairly common in > captivity). It is also the smallest and shortest-billed, with no overlap in size > with Lesser Canada Goose. Aleutian Cackling Goose B. h. leucopareia is a rare > goose with a very limited range and few records east of the Sierra-Cascade > mountains. Taverner's Cackling Goose B. h. taverneri nests in Alaska and > apparently winters mainly in Washington and Oregon, and must be rare east of the > Rockies. Richardson's Cackling Goose B. h. hutchinsii nests in Arctic Canada > and winters mainly in Texas and Mexico. Thus Richardson's and Taverner's > Cackling Geese are the heart of the problem. Distinguishing both of these from > Lesser Canada Goose will require a better sense of the variation in all three > subspecies, since bill measurements overlap." > > Mike Swaim > Mebane, NC > -- Will Cook - Durham, NC http://www.carolinanature.com/
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: RE: Chimney Shifts From: "Frederick Houk Jr" <woodthrush2263(AT)hotmail.com> Date: 5 Apr 2006 11:31pm Could you please enlighten us chimney swift lovers who aren't up to speed on their yearly migration/summer nesting habits? When they return (presumably from Latin America?), do they "split up" to breed? I remember hearing that only one nest was present per "chimney", regardless of the size of the swarm. If so, is there still a chimney swift dance at sunset around your chimney during the spring, or does that only occur later in the summer, post-breeding? Thanks a lot. Fred Houk Chapel Hill >From: "Keith Camburn" <camburn(AT)earthlink.net> >Reply-To: camburn(AT)earthlink.net >To: "Carolinabirds: Post" <carolinabirds(AT)duke.edu> >Subject: Chimney Shifts >Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 20:27:27 -0400 > >Over the last 14 years the chimney shifts have usually returned to my >Gaston County, NC, chimney on April 12th or 13th. They must be in a hurry >this year as they arrived tonight (April 3rd) at 8:03 p.m. Keith Camburn > >Keith E. Camburn >4435 Huntington Drive >Gastonia, North Carolina 28056-8276 >704 824-0626 >camburn AT earthlink.net >Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > >

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