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Subject: better pics of the Brownsville 1B gull
From: Martin Reid <upupa(AT)AIRMAIL.NET>
Date: 25 Apr 2000 7:29am
Dear All,
As there is not much else on these airwaves, I'll at least keep the
larophiles busy;
I received better pics of that GBBG-like bird from Texas; altough they show
more details (e.g. a profile standing shot), I feel that they muddy the
waters a bit; please take another look:
http://www.martinreid.com/gullsp11.html
I want to thank all who have posted replies (some of which were via this
chatgroup); I plan to add all the feedback to a COMMENTS web page soon -
please email privately and tell me if you DO NOT want your name tagged to
your comments in this proposed page.
To summarize, most replies from Europe ( plus a couple from N. America)
don't like it as GBBG, yet two experienced NE American gullers ( and one
from England) feel it is OK for GBBG. And there was the question asked:
what about Kelp Gull; - Any thoughts?
Thanks again,
Martin
Martin Reid
upupa(AT)airmail.net
http://www.martinreid.com or http://www.cyberramp.net/~upupa
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Subject: Great Cormorant photos
From: Millington/BIS <sales(AT)birdingworld.co.uk>
Date: 26 Apr 2000 9:46am
To help illustrate an article on cormorant identification in a forthcoming
BIRDING WORLD, we are searching for slides or prints of Great Cormorant P
carbo # photographed in North America #
Breeding birds, non-breeding and immatures would all be helpful, and
close-ups (showing head/face) especially so.
Please contact me by email if you can help,
or just send to the address below (in which case maybe advise me by email
that you have done so)
Many thanks in advance
Richard Millington
sales(AT)birdingworld.co.uk
(Birding World, Books for Birders & Birdline)
Bird Information Service, Stonerunner, Coast Road,
Cley next the Sea, Holt, Norfolk, NR25 7RZ, UK
(VAT Reg 676 8589 56)
Tel. 44 (0) 1263 741139 Fax. 741173
Website www.birdingworld.co.uk
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Subject: Iceland Gull in California ?
From: Bill Hill <billhill(AT)REDSHIFT.COM>
Date: 27 Apr 2000 8:17am
Wednesday April 19,2000 a very white Gull was discovered at the Pajaro River
mouth in the extreme north west corner of Monterey County California. Some
local experts feel it looks pretty good for Iceland Gull. (others aren't so
sure). It appears to be slightly larger than a California Gull when seen in
the flock. Pictures of this bird are posted at
http://members.cruzio.com/~cinful/indexbirds.html Just look for "Iceland
Gull on the left side of the page. Any comments are appreciated.
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Subject: Re: Iceland Gull in California ?
From: "Robert H. Lewis" <rlewis(AT)murray.fordham.edu>
Date: 27 Apr 2000 9:41am
on 4/27/00 11:13 AM, Bill Hill at billhill(AT)REDSHIFT.COM wrote:
> Wednesday April 19,2000 a very white Gull was discovered at the Pajaro River
> mouth in the extreme north west corner of Monterey County California. Some
> local experts feel it looks pretty good for Iceland Gull. (others aren't so
> sure). It appears to be slightly larger than a California Gull when seen in
> the flock. Pictures of this bird are posted at
> http://members.cruzio.com/~cinful/indexbirds.html Just look for "Iceland
> Gull on the left side of the page. Any comments are appreciated.
Three nice photos. Unfortunately no wing shots.
I am mostly an Eastern birder, so with that bias stated upfront, I must
say I rather doubt that it's an Iceland. It might be, but I am put off
by the very husky, chesty look, the rather large bill, and the placement
of the eye on the head -- too far front, spoiling the dove-like look of
a typical Iceland. If I saw this bird in the East, I would try to get
lots of photos, thinking I probably had a rare straggler from somewhere else.
Bob Lewis
Sleepy Hollow NY
lewis(AT)bway.net
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Subject: Re: Iceland Gull in California ?
From: Phil Pickering <philliplc(AT)HARBORSIDE.COM>
Date: 27 Apr 2000 9:57am
All,
I'm not really qualified to comment on the possible appearance of
Iceland Gulls, I just wanted to offer that here on the Oregon Coast
many of the worn and bleached 1st-spring Glaucous-winged Gulls
look very similar to this. Some already have completely whitish
primaries and tails similar to this bird. Also, some (presumably
female) Glaucous-wingeds can look pretty smallish, approaching
(put probably not overlapping) an avg. californicus.
Proportionately, this bird strikes me more like what I'm use to for
Glaucous-winged than like other photos of Iceland I've studied.
It looks a little barrel-chested, the head looks kind of smallish in
proportion to the body, the bill looks a little thickish, and the
primary extension beyond the tail looks kind of shortish (could be
due to primary wear). The legs look a little long and thick. All these
things are hard to judge from photos, that's just the impression these
photos give me. There also appears to be quite a bit of solid, dingy-
grayish coloration remaining in the tertials (1st photo).
Not having seen the gull in question this may not be an appropriate
comparison, but here's a faded (possibly leucistic) Glaucous-winged
taken this March on the central Oregon coast -
http://www.harborside.com/~philliplc/gull24.jpg
Cheers,
Phil Pickering
Lincoln City, Oregon
philliplc(AT)harborside.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Hill <billhill(AT)REDSHIFT.COM>
To: BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU <BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>
Date: Thursday, April 27, 2000 8:32 AM
Subject: [BIRDWG01] Iceland Gull in California ?
>Wednesday April 19,2000 a very white Gull was discovered at the Pajaro River
>mouth in the extreme north west corner of Monterey County California. Some
>local experts feel it looks pretty good for Iceland Gull. (others aren't so
>sure). It appears to be slightly larger than a California Gull when seen in
>the flock. Pictures of this bird are posted at
>http://members.cruzio.com/~cinful/indexbirds.html Just look for "Iceland
>Gull on the left side of the page. Any comments are appreciated.
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Subject: Re: Iceland Gull in California ?
From: "Korpi, Raymond" <RKorpi(AT)CLARK.EDU>
Date: 27 Apr 2000 10:04am
Phil beat me to the punch. The bill size combined with the general wear on
the bird suggested a ratty first-spring Glaucous-winged to me as well. The
pictures, being from behind, may have some bearing on some of the
proportions, but overall, the beak seems very large for an Iceland type and
the shape certainly is within Glaucous-winged range.
Ray Korpi, PhD
Portland, OR
Clark College, Vancouver WA
President, OFO
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Pickering [mailto:philliplc(AT)HARBORSIDE.COM]
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 10:56 AM
To: BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject: Re: [BIRDWG01] Iceland Gull in California ?
All,
I'm not really qualified to comment on the possible appearance of
Iceland Gulls, I just wanted to offer that here on the Oregon Coast
many of the worn and bleached 1st-spring Glaucous-winged Gulls
look very similar to this. Some already have completely whitish
primaries and tails similar to this bird. Also, some (presumably
female) Glaucous-wingeds can look pretty smallish, approaching
(put probably not overlapping) an avg. californicus.
Proportionately, this bird strikes me more like what I'm use to for
Glaucous-winged than like other photos of Iceland I've studied.
It looks a little barrel-chested, the head looks kind of smallish in
proportion to the body, the bill looks a little thickish, and the
primary extension beyond the tail looks kind of shortish (could be
due to primary wear). The legs look a little long and thick. All these
things are hard to judge from photos, that's just the impression these
photos give me. There also appears to be quite a bit of solid, dingy-
grayish coloration remaining in the tertials (1st photo).
Not having seen the gull in question this may not be an appropriate
comparison, but here's a faded (possibly leucistic) Glaucous-winged
taken this March on the central Oregon coast -
http://www.harborside.com/~philliplc/gull24.jpg
Cheers,
Phil Pickering
Lincoln City, Oregon
philliplc(AT)harborside.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Hill <billhill(AT)REDSHIFT.COM>
To: BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU <BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>
Date: Thursday, April 27, 2000 8:32 AM
Subject: [BIRDWG01] Iceland Gull in California ?
>Wednesday April 19,2000 a very white Gull was discovered at the Pajaro
River
>mouth in the extreme north west corner of Monterey County California. Some
>local experts feel it looks pretty good for Iceland Gull. (others aren't so
>sure). It appears to be slightly larger than a California Gull when seen
in
>the flock. Pictures of this bird are posted at
>http://members.cruzio.com/~cinful/indexbirds.html Just look for "Iceland
>Gull on the left side of the page. Any comments are appreciated.
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Subject: Re: Iceland Gull in California ?
From: Nick Lethaby <Nick.Lethaby(AT)ARCCORES.COM>
Date: 27 Apr 2000 10:58am
All:
I would agree with those that this is an Glaucous-winged Gull. Living in the
San Francisco Bay Area for the past 8 years I have often agonized over birds
with very white wingtips that always just looked a bit big for Iceland Gulls.
However, I am now certain these are just all small Glaucous-winged, based on
structure. This one is in fact a fairly obvious GW Gull, based on the stout
bill, quite long legs, and short primary projection.
Nick
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Subject: Iceland Gull in Calif?
From: Steve Hampton <SHAMPTON(AT)OSPR.DFG.CA.GOV>
Date: 27 Apr 2000 11:17am
Thanks for posting nice photos of the Pajaro River gull. Based on the large
bill, husky build, small beedy-eyed look, and rather short primary extension,
I'd say the bird is almost certainly a Glaucous-winged Gull, which can fade
quite white this time of year. The bird lacks the dainty dove-headed look and
petite bill and longer-winged look of Iceland (or female Thayer's, for that
matter).
These photos are very instructive for highlighting this flavor of Gl-W Gull,
though.
my two cents,
Steve Hampton, Ph.D.
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