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| Subject | From | Date | Time |
| Home page | Jerry R. Oldenettel | Sun, 5 Nov 2000 | 2:11pm |
| Steve Howell post | Matt Heindel | Sun, 5 Nov 2000 | 6:23pm |
| RFI: cinnamonea Solitary Sandpiper | Matthew Kenne | Mon, 6 Nov 2000 | 3:32pm |
| American Coot: 1st for Spain | Ricard Gutierrez | Mon, 6 Nov 2000 | 5:40pm |
| Re: RFI: cinnamomea Solitary Sandpiper | Jean Iron | Mon, 6 Nov 2000 | 6:36pm |
| Re: RFI: cinnamonea Solitary Sandpiper | Ross Silcock | Mon, 6 Nov 2000 | 6:58pm |
| Siberian Blue Robin | Brian Small | Tue, 7 Nov 2000 | 1:09am |
| A curious gull from Oregon | Mike Patterson | Wed, 8 Nov 2000 | 1:04pm |
| Re: A curious gull from Oregon | Steve Hampton | Wed, 8 Nov 2000 | 1:20pm |
| Video Captures | Gary H. Rosenberg | Thu, 9 Nov 2000 | 12:00am |
| Re: Video Captures | John L. Saba | Thu, 9 Nov 2000 | 1:10am |
| Ivory-billed Woodpecker refound? | Graham Etherington | Thu, 9 Nov 2000 | 4:43am |
| Re: Ivory-billed Woodpecker refound? | Dan Reinking | Thu, 9 Nov 2000 | 7:33am |
| Ivory-billed Woodpecker information | Christopher T. Tessa | Thu, 9 Nov 2000 | 7:24am |
| Re: Ivory-billed Woodpecker information | Steve Hampton | Thu, 9 Nov 2000 | 11:08am |
| American GP photos | James H. Barton | Thu, 9 Nov 2000 | 3:00pm |
| Re: video captures | richard stern | Thu, 9 Nov 2000 | 3:49pm |
| Mystery Sandpiper | Gary H. Rosenberg | Thu, 9 Nov 2000 | 5:26pm |
| Ivory-billed Woodpecker info | Graham Etherington | Fri, 10 Nov 2000 | 2:59am |
| Re: Video Captures | =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean_ | Fri, 10 Nov 2000 | 5:40am |
| Fuscus LBbGull | Brian Small | Fri, 10 Nov 2000 | 1:05pm |
| Re: Fuscus LBbGull | Daniela & Detlef Gru | Fri, 10 Nov 2000 | 3:18pm |
| Buteo rufinus cirtensis ID at RBS website | Ricard Gutierrez | Sat, 11 Nov 2000 | 3:37pm |
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Subject: Home page
From: "Jerry R. Oldenettel" <Borealowl(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 5 Nov 2000 2:11pm
I have updated my recent sightings file to include a number of birds seen in
New Mexico so far this fall. I have also added a number of images to my
"favorites" file. You are welcome to visit at:
http://hometown.aol.com/borealowl/
Jerry R. Oldenettel
Albuquerque, NM
borealowl(AT)aol.com
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Subject: Steve Howell post
From: Matt Heindel <MTHEINDEL(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 5 Nov 2000 6:23pm
Steve, currently in Chile, me to post the following. I do so without comment.
Matt Heindel
mtheindel(AT)aol.com
San Antonio TX
Comments and Corrections to the June 2000 Birding magazine and more...
I'm sure most subscribers to Frontiers recognize that the last few issues of
Birding have been plagued with sloppy editing and numerous factual errors.
For example, a quick perusal of the October 2000 issue shows a "reversed"
caption for the dorsal specimen photo of murrelets (p. 440; no figure numbers
are given). Or the comment in Don Roberson's review of Handbook of the Birds
of the World that "basic" plumages usually are not shown on the plates - ALL
birds have basic plumages, that's why they're basic; in fact, any owl,
nightjar, swift, or hummingbird (i.e., the birds he was discussing) that has
an alternate plumage would be about as rare as hen's teeth!
What you may not recognize, however, is the lack of editorial ethics involved
in the magazine. I had "my letters" published in the last two issues but both
letters were edited heavily and I was not sent any notification of their
publication or any chance to approve the editing. Yes, it does say in Birding
that "letters may be edited for reasons of clarity or brevity." Perhaps it
should say "letters may be edited for reasons of clarity, brevity, or to
change their intent, and be warned that we will not show you your edited
letter prior to publication."
Failing to show an author his/her (edited) letter or material prior to
publication is unprofessional, not to mention the implications of editing the
letter in ways that might differ from the author's intentions. Anyone writing
letters to Birding should be aware of this unethical approach. Also, I should
note that I wrote in August to Paul Baicich, editor of Birding, after "my
letter" was published in the June 2000 issue and told him "Please don't
publish my [subsequent] letter [in an edited and unreviewed fashion]."
Imagine my surprise to see part of that letter edited and published in the
October 2000 issue!
The whole letter is posted below, as it includes other identification issues
of interest to Frontiers subscribers. I will also respond here to Nick
Lethaby's confused response to "my letter" in the October 2000 Birding - this
all could have been avoided if the Birding editor had taken normal steps in
professional courtesy.
Re. the hummingbird photo quiz, I reiterate that "no helpful information can
be gleaned in the photo [of the Costa's Hummer] from the primary bases" but
it may be a bit unfair to criticize Lethaby for "correcting" my claim, as he
appears unfamiliar with hummingbird wing anatomy: what you see on a perched
hummingbird are the tips (and part of the outer webs) of all or almost all
ten primaries. What he apparently considers the "primary bases" is the tips
of the inner primaries, i.e., primaries 1 through 6. If one understands this
basic structural point, the caption to Figure 100 in the Pyle guide makes
sense - Peter Pyle and I assumed a modicum of awareness when reading the
captions: "relative widths of p1-p6 vs p7-p10 in hummingbirds..." means a
comparison of the relative widths of p1 to p6 and p7 to p10 (i.e., the inner
6 versus the outer 4 primaries). I'm sorry if this is confusing? Anyway,
following is the rest of the letter, as it was written and submitted, in case
Birding decides to cut and alter more of it and publish it without the
author's permission:
Comments and Corrections to the June 2000 Birding
The June 2000 Birding contained the usual variety of interesting articles,
and I offer the following in a constructive spirit. Little things can make a
difference, and if Birding wishes to continue as a respected, quality
publication, I hope that more care can be taken with such points.
The apparent trend away from specifically numbering photos as figures is
unhelpful and I hope it is not continued. For example, the text does not make
reference to photos (which could certainly help in the Catharus thrush or
Zone-tailed Hawk articles) and one cannot easily refer to figures if writing
of an article.
Second, "the photo on page 247" (nee Figure 6) in the second part of the
generally excellent Catharus thrush identification series is interesting, and
I suspect it may result in some discussion. Simply stating that this bird is
a Veery is patently unhelpful - why is it a Veery and not a Grey-cheeked
Thrush? I am puzzled by the comments on mandible coloration. First, the bird
appears to show a flesh-colored basal 50-60% to the mandible, but this is
irrelevant as it is typical of Grey-cheeked Thrush, contra the article.
Spring Veeries (and photos in the article, which I can't reference easily as
they are un-numbered...), on the other hand, often show a more extensive
yellow-orange or yellow-flesh basal 70-80% to the mandible (e.g., several
individuals of both species I studied at point-blank range on the Dry
Tortugas this spring, plus numerous Grey-cheekeds in Alaska this summer). How
much seasonal or age variation is there in mandible color and pattern? Also
contra the caption on the contentious photo, the flanks appear relatively
dark and thus more like Grey-cheeked, while the breast spots appear like
Grey-cheeked rather than the chevron-shaped marks more typical of Veery. The
inclusion of such a photo in an ID article does little to help readers in the
separation of these species, and some discussion of the photo's lighting and
exposure could also be helpful given the potential for photos to "lie."
Presumably there is no specimen of this bird, so its identification cannot be
ascertained, although even with a specimen one can have problems determining
specific identification, as discussed by Michael Patten (1997) in his note on
The lessons of Catharus thrushes revisted (pp. 139-142 in The Era of Allan
Phillips: A Festschrift. Albuquerque, New Mexico).
In the Catharus thrush articles, a fuller discussion of subspecies and
geographic variation is warranted. For example, Phillips' (1991) Known Birds
of North and Middle America, part 2 (Denver, Colorado) recognizes 6 races of
Swainson's Thrush. Similarly, many birders consult part one of Pyle's (1997)
Identification Guide to North American Birds (Slate Creek Press, Bolinas,
California) for the most up-to-date summary of subspecies: Pyle also mentions
6 races of Swainson's Thrush (5 "currently" recognized in the Birding
article, citing a 1964 source) and 5 races of Veery (4 in the Birding
article). Gibson's (1997) inventory of the species and subspecies of Alaska
birds (Western Birds 28:45-95) mentions incanus Swainson's Thrush, a
recognizable race illustrated in the third edition of the National Geographic
Society Field Guide to the Birds of North America (1999) - yet mentioned
nowhere in the Birding article. This same type of discrepancy is true of
subspecies and even subspecies groups for the Hermit Thrush account in part
one of the Catharus series (April 2000 issue of Birding). This can only
confuse readers. Where relevant, geographic variation should be discussed
more comprehensively in any future articles.
My other comments refer to the Photo Quiz, an aspect of Birding that is
deservedly popular. A point I've mentioned to many people, and about which I
receive positive feedback, is that dates would be worth including for Photo
Quizzes (I notice their more frequent inclusion on recent photo captions in
general, which I appreciate greatly). When out birding, most people know
roughly what day it is, and this can be a key point in field identification.
It seems only fair and is very relevant data for a mystery photo if the
purpose of such photos is to make people better birders.
Mystery photos and their solutions have a great potential for education
and elucidation, and this opportunity should not be clouded by write-ups that
confuse facts, e.g., the solution to Photo C. First I noted Lucifer's [sic =
Lucifer] Hummingbird (p. 259). More importantly, the answer includes some
errors that do not maximize the potential to help readers come to grips with
what is a genuine ID problem. For example, female Costa's do not almost
invariably show an "unmarked white throat" - many birds show a variable
central patch of violet, paralleling the similar pattern of a throat patch
shown by adult female Anna's Hummingbirds. The write-up describes the bird's
underparts as "pure white" which is far from accurate - and if true would
rule out Costa's right away! The face pattern shown by the photo bird, and as
described in the solution, fits Costa's as well as it does Black-chinned
(better in fact, since it is a Costa's!), and discussion of primary bases
should refer to primary tips - no helpful information can be gleaned in the
photo from the primary bases. As for the date, anyone who saw a
Costa's/Black-chinned Hummingbird in January could pretty safely identify the
bird based on the freshness of its plumage and molt stage - so here's a case
of date being a very valid field mark, perhaps the single best one at this
season!
Steve Howell, Bolinas, California
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Subject: RFI: cinnamonea Solitary Sandpiper
From: Matthew Kenne <meekeckk(AT)RCONNECT.COM>
Date: 6 Nov 2000 3:32pm
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In an earlier post, Ron Pittaway mentioned the possibility of separating =
the cinnamonea subspecies of Solitary Sandpiper from the nominate, and =
it is listed on his checklist of identifiable forms for Ontario as a =
potential occurrence. I came across a photo of a juv. Solitary on the =
Surfbirds.com website while surfing today that caught my attention. It =
is the lead photo in the September 2000 Rarity Round-up for Britain and =
Ireland. I've not seen a photo of cinnamonea before, but this looks like =
a good candidate to me, or am I being fooled by lighting, exposure, =
etc....? Are there photos of this subspecies on the net somewhere? Can =
someone give me a more accurate range of occurrence of cinnamonea than =
"the West"? If cinnamonea has made it across the Atlantic, maybe we =
should be looking for it in "the East" (and maybe it is reported and I =
just don't know it!).
Regarding my earlier post on Sibley's Golden Plovers: a few people have =
asked about responses, but I've received no information. Hopefully Mr. =
Sibley will elaborate on it when he finds himself with a few free =
minutes.
Trapped inside by rain,
Matthew Kenne
Algona, Iowa
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Subject: American Coot: 1st for Spain
From: Ricard Gutierrez <GUTARB(AT)terra.es>
Date: 6 Nov 2000 5:40pm
Hello:
A feature describing the 1st record of American Coot (Fulica americana) for
Spain is currently online at RBS (Rare Birds in Spain) web site
http://www.terra.es/personal3/gutarb . This bird was seen in november 1999
and the author described it as a putative adult. Despite nothing in the
description leads us to age properly the bird, there are both a good sketch
of it online as well as a couple of photos (plus the original description in
Spanish in pdf format). Any comments on ageing criteria of Am Coots in
november would be welcome, especially the possible presence of retained juv
feathers or development of bill structure -which I feel it might already be
adult-like in 1st calendar year birds-?
The web also includes latest rarities here plus some photos including the
originals of the recently banded Red Eyed Vireo and an African Spoonbill
(Platalea alba) seen in C Spain.
Thank you for visiting and any comments.
Ricard Gutiérrez
7.11.2000
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Subject: Re: RFI: cinnamomea Solitary Sandpiper
From: Jean Iron <jeaniron(AT)SYMPATICO.CA>
Date: 6 Nov 2000 6:36pm
Matthew and Everyone,
There is a good photo of a juvenile cinnamomea Solitary Sandpiper showing
the buff dots on page 161 of Dennis Paulson's Shorebirds of the Pacific
Northwest (1993). The differences between the two subspecies of the
Solitary Sandpiper are quite noticeable in the field in the juveniles, but
not in adults. Paulson describes the breeding range of cinnamomea as the
northern part of the range of the species from Alaska and northern British
Columbia to Hudson Bay, whereas solitaria breeds south of that from
southern British Columbia to Labrador.
Regards,
Jean Iron
9 Lichen Place
Toronto ON M3A 1X3
416-445-9297
jeaniron(AT)sympatico.ca
At 04:35 PM 11/6/2000 -0600, you wrote:
>In an earlier post, Ron Pittaway mentioned the possibility of separating
>the cinnamonea subspecies of Solitary Sandpiper from the nominate, and it
>is listed on his checklist of identifiable forms for Ontario as a
>potential occurrence. I came across a photo of a juv. Solitary on the
>Surfbirds.com website while surfing today that caught my attention. It is
>the lead photo in the September 2000 Rarity Round-up for Britain and
>Ireland. I've not seen a photo of cinnamonea before, but this looks like a
>good candidate to me, or am I being fooled by lighting, exposure, etc....?
>Are there photos of this subspecies on the net somewhere? Can someone give
>me a more accurate range of occurrence of cinnamonea than "the West"? If
>cinnamonea has made it across the Atlantic, maybe we should be looking for
>it in "the East" (and maybe it is reported and I just don't know it!).
>
>Regarding my earlier post on Sibley's Golden Plovers: a few people have
>asked about responses, but I've received no information. Hopefully Mr.
>Sibley will elaborate on it when he finds himself with a few free minutes.
>
>Trapped inside by rain,
>
>Matthew Kenne
>Algona, Iowa
><mailto:meekeckk(AT)rconnect.com>meekeckk@rconnect.<mailto:meekeckk(AT)rconnect.com>com
>
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Subject: Re: RFI: cinnamonea Solitary Sandpiper
From: Ross Silcock <silcock(AT)SIDNEY.HEARTLAND.NET>
Date: 6 Nov 2000 6:58pm
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Matt and BirdWG01ers:
Here is the Nebraska info on these taxa, from "Birds of Nebraska", due =
out early in 2001.
Ross
Ross Silcock
Tabor, IA
silcock(AT)sidney.heartland.net
New Zealand Land and Pelagic Trips
<http://sidney.heartland.net/silcock>
Swenk and Fichter (1942) examined 10 specimens and found that both =
solitaria, the eastern subspecies, and cinnamomea, the western =
subspecies, migrate throughout the state. Each subspecies was =
represented by 5 specimens. Specimens of solitaria were taken in Cass, =
Lancaster, Thomas, Sioux and Sarpy Cos, and those of cinnamomea were =
taken in Lancaster (2), Sioux, Clay, and Keya Paha Cos. Juveniles of =
solitaria were noted in eastern Nebraska late Aug 1996 and of cinnamomea =
in early Sep (JGJ). Field observers should be aware that juveniles in =
autumn, studied at close range, are the only individuals that can be =
reliably identified to subspecies in the field (Paulson 1993).
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From: Matthew Kenne=20
To: BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU=20
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 4:35 PM
Subject: [BIRDWG01] RFI: cinnamonea Solitary Sandpiper
In an earlier post, Ron Pittaway mentioned the possibility of =
separating the cinnamonea subspecies of Solitary Sandpiper from the =
nominate, and it is listed on his checklist of identifiable forms for =
Ontario as a potential occurrence. I came across a photo of a juv. =
Solitary on the Surfbirds.com website while surfing today that caught my =
attention. It is the lead photo in the September 2000 Rarity Round-up =
for Britain and Ireland. I've not seen a photo of cinnamonea before, but =
this looks like a good candidate to me, or am I being fooled by =
lighting, exposure, etc....? Are there photos of this subspecies on the =
net somewhere? Can someone give me a more accurate range of occurrence =
of cinnamonea than "the West"? If cinnamonea has made it across the =
Atlantic, maybe we should be looking for it in "the East" (and maybe it =
is reported and I just don't know it!).
Regarding my earlier post on Sibley's Golden Plovers: a few people =
have asked about responses, but I've received no information. Hopefully =
Mr. Sibley will elaborate on it when he finds himself with a few free =
minutes.
=20
Trapped inside by rain,
Matthew Kenne
Algona, Iowa
meekeckk(AT)rconnect.com=20
=20
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Subject: Siberian Blue Robin
From: Brian Small <BrianJSmall(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 7 Nov 2000 1:09am
Dear BIRDWG01ers
Following the first record of Siberian Blue Robin in October, it has proven
difficult to find images of first-winter females. Peter Kennerley has kindly
lent me some and these can now be found on surfbirds.com. Amongst the other
photos that Peter lent me is a male which he had labelled a first-winter
male, but to me it looks more like an adult (and I have labelled it such).
Any opinions on the ageing of this bird would be gratefully received.
Brian Small
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Subject: A curious gull from Oregon
From: Mike Patterson <celata(AT)pacifier.com>
Date: 8 Nov 2000 1:04pm
A gull originally identified as "some sort of hybrid",
then, briefly, as Slaty-backed Gull, then back to some
sort of hybrid is presented for all at:
http://home.pacifier.com/~mpatters/bird/uggu/ugly_gull.html
I am unsatisfied with letting this beast off as just another
Western x Glaucous-winged hybrid back-cross and would like
to entertain other considered opinions.
--
Mike Patterson Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo,
Astoria, OR it is not enough to be persecuted
celata(AT)pacifier.com by an unkind establishment,
you must also be right.
---Robert Park
http://www.pacifier.com/~mpatters/bird/bird.html
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Subject: Re: A curious gull from Oregon
From: Steve Hampton <SHAMPTON(AT)OSPR.DFG.CA.GOV>
Date: 8 Nov 2000 1:20pm
If you mean the Hammond Boat Basin bird on the cover page (as well as the other
open wing shots), that bird shows the distinctive head smudging cross-barring
that is nearly diagnostic of Gl-W and shared by no other. Slaty-backed has
length-wise head streaking and vertical neck streaking, and often quite brown,
not gray. The "string of pearls" can be replicated (nearly exactly) by Gl-W x
Western hybrid. Also, the gonydeal bulge looks typical for Gl-W and Western.
Steve Hampton
_____________________
Resource Economist
Office of Spill Prevention and Response
California Dept of Fish and Game
PO Box 944209
Sacramento, CA 94244-2090
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(916) 323-4724 phone
(916) 324-8829 fax
>>> Mike Patterson <celata(AT)pacifier.com> 11/08/00 12:05PM >>>
A gull originally identified as "some sort of hybrid",
then, briefly, as Slaty-backed Gull, then back to some
sort of hybrid is presented for all at:
http://home.pacifier.com/~mpatters/bird/uggu/ugly_gull.html
I am unsatisfied with letting this beast off as just another
Western x Glaucous-winged hybrid back-cross and would like
to entertain other considered opinions.
--
Mike Patterson Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo,
Astoria, OR it is not enough to be persecuted
celata(AT)pacifier.com by an unkind establishment,
you must also be right.
---Robert Park
http://www.pacifier.com/~mpatters/bird/bird.html
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Subject: Video Captures
From: "Gary H. Rosenberg" <garyhr(AT)RTD.COM>
Date: 9 Nov 2000 12:00am
I have updated my web page with several video capture still images.
These can be found under the heading "Video Captures". For those who
have not seen this new technology, I think you will be in for a
pleasant surprise. In my opinion, this will become a very important
means of documenting rarities. Many of the captures I put on my page
were taken by holding my video camera (Sony Digital 8) up to a Leica
scope (with 32 wide angle lens). At wide angle (on my camera), the
video is simply the same as looking through the scope - the result is
a clear image surrounded by black (image is in a circle in the
center). But, when one zooms the camera in to between 15 and 20
power (my camera has a 20x optical zoom - the digital zoom is a
waste), the image becomes magnified by the multiplication of the two
lenses (450 to 500 power). Amazingly, the image is very clear and
it's wonderful for documenting rarities at a great distance. I have
gotten identifiable images of passerines at a distance of least a
quarter mile!
To whet the appetite, some of the images I put on my page include
both the Olive-backed Pipit and Common Rosefinch that Scott Terrill
and I had at Gambell this past September, not to mention the Dotterel
we had there in June.
Let me know hat you think.
Gary
--
Gary H. Rosenberg
garyhr(AT)rtd.com
Tucson, AZ
http://www.rtd.com/~garyhr/GaryRosenbergHomePage.html
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Subject: Re: Video Captures
From: "John L. Saba" <sabaj(AT)THERIVER.COM>
Date: 9 Nov 2000 1:10am
Hey Gary!
Tres magnifique! The first photo of the Gyr and that of the Dotterel are
veritable works of art. They are all so neat. Congratulations, and thanks.
---
John L. Saba
sabaj(AT)theriver.com
http://personal.riverusers.com/~sabaj/
(520) 327-3643
Tucson, Arizona USA
Birding is a Grand Adventure!
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Subject: Ivory-billed Woodpecker refound?
From: Graham Etherington <etherington(AT)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 9 Nov 2000 4:43am
Hi, Various sources in the Uk are reporting that Ivory-billed Woodpecker was
discovered last year in Louisiana. I was told that this had been announced
in the New York Times, but a search of their website, along with the
Washington Post, CNN, etc reveals no information on this alleged find.
Could anyone throw any light on the situation.
Thanks, (and happy voting!)
Graham Etherington
Norwich, UK
"The American people have spoken. It's too bad it's going to take a little
while to determine what it was they had to say."
- President Clinton
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Subject: Re: Ivory-billed Woodpecker refound?
From: Dan Reinking <DLReinking(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 9 Nov 2000 7:33am
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In a message dated 11/9/00 5:44:21 AM Central Standard Time,
etherington(AT)HOTMAIL.COM writes:
> Hi, Various sources in the Uk are reporting that Ivory-billed Woodpecker was
> discovered last year in Louisiana. I was told that this had been announced
> in the New York Times, but a search of their website, along with the
> Washington Post, CNN, etc reveals no information on this alleged find.
> Could anyone throw any light on the situation.
> Thanks, (and happy voting!)
>
<This story has been resurrected by the Associated Press and can be viewed at <A
HREF="http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20001104/us/pecked_apart_1.html">
<http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20001104/us/pecked_apart_1.html</A>
Dan Reinking
Sutton Avian Research Center
www.suttoncenter.org
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Subject: Ivory-billed Woodpecker information
From: "Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" <cth4(AT)CORNELL.EDU>
Date: 9 Nov 2000 7:24am
Greetings,
the following two sites have the same Associated Press report:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20001104/us/pecked_apart_1.html
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20001104_687.html
See the following site for an older report of David Kullivan's sighting:
http://www.al.com/news/mobile/Jul2000/9-a355419a.html
Also, see the following web sites for recent searches:
http://www.birdingamerica.com/ivorybilledwoodpecker.htm (photographs
of searchers, woodpecker excavation work, and habitat)
http://www.geocities.com/tertial/ibwo3.html (with maps)
Good birding!
--Chris
>Hi, Various sources in the Uk are reporting that Ivory-billed Woodpecker was
>discovered last year in Louisiana. I was told that this had been announced
>in the New York Times, but a search of their website, along with the
>Washington Post, CNN, etc reveals no information on this alleged find.
>Could anyone throw any light on the situation.
>Thanks, (and happy voting!)
>
>Graham Etherington
>Norwich, UK
>
>"The American people have spoken. It's too bad it's going to take a little
>while to determine what it was they had to say."
>- President Clinton
>
>
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159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850
(W1): (607) 254-2418, (W2): (607) 254-2408, (FAX): (607) 254-2415
PO Box 488, Etna, New York 13062-0488, (H): (607) 347-4279
E-mail: mailto:cth4(AT)cornell.edu
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Subject: Re: Ivory-billed Woodpecker information
From: Steve Hampton <SHAMPTON(AT)OSPR.DFG.CA.GOV>
Date: 9 Nov 2000 11:08am
My site at
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/6181/ibwo.html
has some more detailed information. There have been no new developments or
sightings that I know of.
Steve Hampton
_____________________
Resource Economist
Office of Spill Prevention and Response
California Dept of Fish and Game
PO Box 944209
Sacramento, CA 94244-2090
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(916) 323-4724 phone
(916) 324-8829 fax
>>> "Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" <cth4(AT)CORNELL.EDU> 11/09/00 06:23AM >>>
Greetings,
the following two sites have the same Associated Press report:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20001104/us/pecked_apart_1.html
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20001104_687.html
See the following site for an older report of David Kullivan's sighting:
http://www.al.com/news/mobile/Jul2000/9-a355419a.html
Also, see the following web sites for recent searches:
http://www.birdingamerica.com/ivorybilledwoodpecker.htm (photographs
of searchers, woodpecker excavation work, and habitat)
http://www.geocities.com/tertial/ibwo3.html (with maps)
Good birding!
--Chris
>Hi, Various sources in the Uk are reporting that Ivory-billed Woodpecker was
>discovered last year in Louisiana. I was told that this had been announced
>in the New York Times, but a search of their website, along with the
>Washington Post, CNN, etc reveals no information on this alleged find.
>Could anyone throw any light on the situation.
>Thanks, (and happy voting!)
>
>Graham Etherington
>Norwich, UK
>
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>while to determine what it was they had to say."
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(W1): (607) 254-2418, (W2): (607) 254-2408, (FAX): (607) 254-2415
PO Box 488, Etna, New York 13062-0488, (H): (607) 347-4279
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Subject: American GP photos
From: "James H. Barton" <redwing1986(AT)MEDIAONE.NET>
Date: 9 Nov 2000 3:00pm
Hello. I'm in search of high-quality color photos of >transitional
adult< American GP taken in August, September and October. By "high
quality" I mean of sufficient quality to show fine detail when enlarged
to 8x10 or greater as prints or when magnified by Photoshop LE. I'm
especially interested in the detail of the primaries, tertials and tail,
and of the head and bill. For that reason, side shots of birds on the
ground are mainly what I'm looking for. But I'm also interested in
flight shots showing the tail.
I'll be happy to offer a reasonable price for such photos, as prints
or as JPGs.
Since I'm primarily interested in ID, I'd be happy to look at photos
that you wouldn't ordinarily display because they don't meet your
aesthetic standards.
Thanks,
Jim Barton
redwing1986(AT)mediaone.net
Cambridge, MA
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Subject: Re: video captures
From: richard stern <rbstern(AT)ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: 9 Nov 2000 3:49pm
I think Gary Rosenberg's video captures are indeed stunning. As someone
still in the technological boonies, how could I adapt this technology to
obtain similar images witha 35 mm. camera, held up to a Nikon Fieldscope
with 30 mm. WA eyepiece. Would I use a 50 mm. lens or a 200, and would the
built in exposure meter pointed through the scope give an accurate reading?
(I seem to remember there was something about this in both Birding and
Birding World, but they were not very specific as I recall).
Hope this isn't too off- topic, and thanks.
******************
Richard Stern
Kentville,
Nova Scotia,
Canada
rbstern(AT)ns.sympatico.ca
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Subject: Mystery Sandpiper
From: "Gary H. Rosenberg" <garyhr(AT)RTD.COM>
Date: 9 Nov 2000 5:26pm
On my web page (under the heading Video Captures) I have posted three
photos of a sandpiper that Scott Terrill and I had at Gambell on 3
September 2000. At the time we were puzzled by the ID, but ended up
calling it a Rock Sandpiper. The bird is in juvenile plumage and
lacks much of the buffy wash on the breast and rufous edging to the
coverts that is typically illustrated for juv. Rock Sandpiper
(tschuktschorum - the likely subspecies to occur at Gambell). I have
seen many juv. Rock Sandpipers of both ptilocnemis (at Saint Paul
Island) and tschuktschorum (at Nome and Gambell) and none showed the
patterns that this individual did. My question is why this bird is
NOT a Purple Sandpiper (one previous Alaska sighting)? Can Rock and
Purple Sandpipers be separated in the field safely in juv. plumage?
I welcome a discussion on this.
Please note that the photos are labeled Rock Sandpiper (for now).
Thanks,
Gary
--
Gary H. Rosenberg
garyhr(AT)rtd.com
Tucson, AZ
http://www.rtd.com/~garyhr/GaryRosenbergHomePage.html
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Subject: Ivory-billed Woodpecker info
From: Graham Etherington <etherington(AT)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 10 Nov 2000 2:59am
Dear Birders
Many thanks to all of you who responded to my request for information on the
report of Ivory-billed Woodpecker last year in Louisiana. I have made a list
of URL's below which lead to information on the alleged sighting. The
feeling that I get from most birders is that they are in the hoax camp.
Judge for yourself….
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/6181/ibwo.html
http://www.birdingamerica.com/Ivorybill/ivorybilledwoodpecker.htm
http://www.americanbirding.org/newsbullet3.htm
http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0001/30/30woodpecker.html
http://www.al.com/news/mobile/Jul2000/9-a355419a.html
Cheers,
Graham
Graham Etherington
197 Unthank Road,
Norwich NR2 2PQ,
England
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Subject: Re: Video Captures
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean_Marc_B=E9liveau?= <jmbel(AT)TOTAL.NET>
Date: 10 Nov 2000 5:40am
> Many of the captures I put on my page
> were taken by holding my video camera (Sony Digital 8) up to a Leica
> scope (with 32 wide angle lens).
Hi there, I'm interested in a little detail: Does your Leica spotting scope
have
"APO" or "standard" lenses ?
Jean Marc Béliveau,
Longueuil, QC jmbel(AT)total.net
Je suis venu, j'ai vu, j'ai coché
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Subject: Fuscus LBbGull
From: Brian Small <BrianJSmall(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 10 Nov 2000 1:05pm
All
An adult gull, looking intrinsically like a fuscus Lesser Black-backed Gull
(or Baltic Gull if you prefer), was present yesterday and today on the local
pig fields. Structurally and morphologically it was as close to fuscus as
you can get, small and very black, with a velvet black bloom to the scapulars
(it ran around the roost rather like a plover). The following detailed note
of the primary moult was taken:
P1 (innermost) to P5 new; P6 missing P7 to P10 old, but still very black and
fresher looking than older primaries present on a very few intermedius. The
primary moult score was 25. When would a gull like this finish its moult?
My question then is, can intermedius Lesser Black-backs ever have such a
retarded moult by November 10th? Reading Jonsson (in Birding World) it is
hard to get an answer; a gull in Holland with P1 and P2 new in mid October
has recently been accepted.
Brian Small
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Subject: Re: Fuscus LBbGull
From: Daniela & Detlef Gruber <Daniela.Detlef.Gruber(AT)T-ONLINE.DE>
Date: 10 Nov 2000 3:18pm
Dear Brian, Dear Birders,
Baltic Gulls at this time of season normally do not show such an advanced moult
stage like this bird. Furthermore I have not seen any active moult in Baltic
Gulls on migration in Germany. But I know for certain that some intermedius are
still in moult until the end of the year.
Best regards,
Detlef Gruber
Brian Small schrieb:
> All
>
> An adult gull, looking intrinsically like a fuscus Lesser Black-backed Gull
> (or Baltic Gull if you prefer), was present yesterday and today on the local
> pig fields. Structurally and morphologically it was as close to fuscus as
> you can get, small and very black, with a velvet black bloom to the scapulars
> (it ran around the roost rather like a plover). The following detailed note
> of the primary moult was taken:
>
> P1 (innermost) to P5 new; P6 missing P7 to P10 old, but still very black and
> fresher looking than older primaries present on a very few intermedius. The
> primary moult score was 25. When would a gull like this finish its moult?
>
> My question then is, can intermedius Lesser Black-backs ever have such a
> retarded moult by November 10th? Reading Jonsson (in Birding World) it is
> hard to get an answer; a gull in Holland with P1 and P2 new in mid October
> has recently been accepted.
>
> Brian Small
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Subject: Buteo rufinus cirtensis ID at RBS website
From: Ricard Gutierrez <GUTARB(AT)terra.es>
Date: 11 Nov 2000 3:37pm
A commented description of a juvenile African Long-legged Buzzard (Buteo
rufinus cirtensis) seen in Tarifa, Spain on September 2000 written by Dick
Forsman is already online at the Rare Birds in Spain web site
(http://www.terra.es/personal3/gutarb ). It pays attention to separation
from close Steppe Buzzard (Buteo buteo vulpinus).
Thank you for having a look
Ricard Gutiérrez
11.11.2000
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