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ID-FRONTIERS for November 12-18, 2000

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 Subject From Date  Time 
 Re: Greater Shearwater near WA  Dave Malachy   Sun, 12 Nov 2000  10:49pm 
 Re: Fuscus LBbGull  Peter Adriaens   Mon, 13 Nov 2000  1:51am 
 Re: Greater Shearwater near WA  Don Roberson   Mon, 13 Nov 2000  9:26am 
 Controversial "Veery"  Narca Moore-Craig&Al  Mon, 13 Nov 2000  9:54am 
 Tropical/Couch's KB wing forumlae  James H. Barton  Mon, 13 Nov 2000  2:08pm 
 Re: Fuscus LBbGull  Dick Newell   Mon, 13 Nov 2000  9:00pm 
 Re: Tropical/Couch's KB wing forumlae  Joseph Morlan   Mon, 13 Nov 2000  11:35pm 
 [Fwd: [MASSBIRD] more Hingham, MA Kingbird photos]  James H. Barton  Tue, 14 Nov 2000  7:10am 
 [Fwd: [MASSBIRD] Hingham MA Kingbird audio]  James H. Barton  Tue, 14 Nov 2000  7:27am 
 Re: [Fwd: [MASSBIRD] Hingham MA Kingbird audio]  Bill or Sue Smith   Tue, 14 Nov 2000  8:05pm 
 Re: Controversial "Veery"  Alvaro Jaramillo   Wed, 15 Nov 2000  10:22am 
 Re: [Fwd: [MASSBIRD] Hingham MA Kingbird audio]  Bill or Sue Smith   Wed, 15 Nov 2000  10:51am 
 Re: Controversial "Veery"  David Sibley   Wed, 15 Nov 2000  1:06pm 
 Fall updates/side-by-side PABUs  Don Roberson   Wed, 15 Nov 2000  8:12pm 
 LBBG Bill Color Variation  Noel Wamer   Thu, 16 Nov 2000  4:57pm 
 Re: LBBG Bill Color Variation  Bruce Mactavish   Fri, 17 Nov 2000  4:34pm 
 European Herring Gull In Ontario  Jean Iron   Sat, 18 Nov 2000  3:39pm 
 Molt timing in Calonectris shearwaters  Martin Reid   Sat, 18 Nov 2000  6:26pm 
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[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Greater Shearwater near WA From: Dave Malachy <dm(AT)SPEAKEASY.ORG> Date: 12 Nov 2000 10:49pm > HI Bird Frontiers: > I just got word that a Greater Shearwater was seen near WA in Canadian > waters last week and I was wondering how many records there are for the > North Pacific of this species? > > Sincerely > Ian "Birdbooker" Paulsen > Bainbridge Is., WA, USA > ipaulsen(AT)linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us > "Rallidae all the way" > I've been a biologist employed to collect these birds. You can find detailed collections at the University of Washington, Burke Museum in Seattle, WA. As well, the Friday Harbor Whale Museum on the San Juan Islands has various intersting collections and data to peruse. David E. Hinz PO Box 45531 Seattle, WA 98145, USA 296-675-4406
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Fuscus LBbGull From: Peter Adriaens <Peter.Adriaens(AT)KENDER-THIJSSEN.BE> Date: 13 Nov 2000 1:51am Hello Detlef, and Brian, I think it's wiser not to identify any actively moulting Lesser Black-backed Gull in Western Europe in autumn as a fuscus, ever. It is perfectly possible for fuscus to be actively moulting, e.g. some inner primaries (often p1-2-3) when leaving the breeding grounds (August - September), but the problem with such birds is that they cannot safely be distinguished from some intermedius (perhaps the more northern birds ?), which may also show a late moult. Birds with interrrupted primary moult are much 'safer ' candidates. I agree that the bird's moult score sounds more like intermedius. Best regards, Peter Adriaens -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Daniela & Detlef Gruber [mailto:Daniela.Detlef.Gruber(AT)T-ONLINE.DE] Verzonden: vrijdag 10 november 2000 23:18 Aan: BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Onderwerp: Re: [BIRDWG01] Fuscus LBbGull Dear Brian, Dear Birders, Baltic Gulls at this time of season normally do not show such an advanced moult stage like this bird. Furthermore I have not seen any active moult in Baltic Gulls on migration in Germany. But I know for certain that some intermedius are still in moult until the end of the year. Best regards, Detlef Gruber Brian Small schrieb: > All > > An adult gull, looking intrinsically like a fuscus Lesser Black-backed Gull > (or Baltic Gull if you prefer), was present yesterday and today on the local > pig fields. Structurally and morphologically it was as close to fuscus as > you can get, small and very black, with a velvet black bloom to the scapulars > (it ran around the roost rather like a plover). The following detailed note > of the primary moult was taken: > > P1 (innermost) to P5 new; P6 missing P7 to P10 old, but still very black and > fresher looking than older primaries present on a very few intermedius. The > primary moult score was 25. When would a gull like this finish its moult? > > My question then is, can intermedius Lesser Black-backs ever have such a > retarded moult by November 10th? Reading Jonsson (in Birding World) it is > hard to get an answer; a gull in Holland with P1 and P2 new in mid October > has recently been accepted. > > Brian Small
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Greater Shearwater near WA From: Don Roberson <creagrus(AT)MONTEREYBAY.COM> Date: 13 Nov 2000 9:26am I am aware of only two prior records of Greater Shearwater in the north Pacific, both on Monterey Bay: 24 Feb 1979 about 10 miles w. of Moss Landing (J. Dunn, K. Garrett, Starr Saphir +) and another 1-2 Oct 1994 about 2 mi N of Pt. Pinos (D. L. Shearwater, Gerry McChesney, Todd McGrath +). The latter bird was photographed on 2 Oct. The first has been controversial and the Calif. Bird Rec. Comm. has changed its position one or more times; however, I consider the record adequately documented and will include both in the 2nd ed. of "Monterey Birds" currently being written. Don Roberson Pacific Grove CA
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Controversial "Veery" From: Narca Moore-Craig&Alan Craig <narca(AT)vtc.net> Date: 13 Nov 2000 9:54am Hello all-- I just read Matt Heindell's forward of Steve Howell's post on the Veery ID article in the June 2000 issue of Birding--particularly the photo on page 247. As further point supporting Steve's contention that the bird is a Gray-cheeked Thrush, not a Veery, look at the shape and length of the bill, and compare that with the bills of the Veeries in other photos in that article. All the other Veeries in profile show a relatively longer, slimmer bill. In fact, the bill shape and proportions of the controversial bird match those shown in the photos of Gray-cheeked Thrush in the August 2000 issue of Birding. (To my eye, the bills of the Bicknell's Thrushes in the Aug 2000 issue also seem more slender and longer than those of the Gray-cheeked Thrushes.) Might this be a useful field mark? I've never studied bill proportions of Catharus thrushes in the field, but will be scrutinizing that from now on. Best regards, Narca
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Tropical/Couch's KB wing forumlae From: "James H. Barton" <redwing1986(AT)MEDIAONE.NET> Date: 13 Nov 2000 2:08pm Friends, hello from MA where we are belaboring a Couch's/Tropical Kingbird in Hingham. I'm informed that there may be an error in Pyle's ID Guide on page 258, in Figure 166. A drawing labeled Tropical shows p5 noticeably longer than p10. A drawing labeled Couch's shows p5 much shorter than p10. Which is correct for which? The bird we're looking at doesn't show any notched primaries in the photos available, presumably because it hasn't yet started to molt them. Does Pyle's wing formulae, shown for notched adult primaries, work for young birds? Two photos of the bird in flight may be seen a http://www.virtualbirder.com/vbirder/rba/trki Thanks for your interest. Jim Barton redwing1986(AT)mediaone.net Cambridge, MA
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Fuscus LBbGull From: Dick Newell <Dick.Newell(AT)SMALLWORLD.CO.UK> Date: 13 Nov 2000 9:00pm Last week in Oman, I saw a single presumed adult fuscus. Not the 'typical' small slim type of bird, also not absolutely black, showing a slight contrast between coverts and primaries, but totally spotless white head and neck. The wing was complete with 5 new inner and 5 old outer primaries. All other white-headed gulls present (presumed barabensis (100's),cachinnans (10's) and heuglini (a few)) had at least a streaky collar and were actively moulting (i.e. had missing or growing primaries). Dick Newell
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Tropical/Couch's KB wing forumlae From: Joseph Morlan <jmorlan(AT)CCSF.CC.CA.US> Date: 13 Nov 2000 11:35pm On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:08:02 -0500, "James H. Barton" <redwing1986(AT)MEDIAONE.NET> wrote: > Friends, hello from MA where we are belaboring a Couch's/Tropical >Kingbird in Hingham. I'm informed that there may be an error in Pyle's >ID Guide on page 258, in Figure 166. A drawing labeled Tropical shows >p5 noticeably longer than p10. A drawing labeled Couch's shows p5 much >shorter than p10. Which is correct for which? Corrections for Pyle have been posted at: http://www.prbo.org/Errata.html which states: p. 253: The _>_ and _<_ symbols in Figure 166 should be reversed. pp. 253-254: Note that the criteria in Figs. 167-168 and Table 5 apply to AHY/ASYs only. More study needed on these data in HY/SYs. p. 254: In Table 5, Wg for Couch's Kingbird should be 115-131. > The bird we're looking at doesn't show any notched primaries in the >photos available, presumably because it hasn't yet started to molt >them. Does Pyle's wing formulae, shown for notched adult primaries, >work for young birds? Apparently not. -- Joseph Morlan, Pacifica, CA 94044: mailto:jmorlan(AT)ccsf.org California Birding; Mystery Birds: http://fog.ccsf.org/~jmorlan/ California Bird Records Committee: http://www.wfo-cbrc.org/cbrc/
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [Fwd: [MASSBIRD] more Hingham, MA Kingbird photos] From: "James H. Barton" <redwing1986(AT)MEDIAONE.NET> Date: 14 Nov 2000 7:10am Friends, I've been asked to post notice of more Hingham, MA Couch's/Tropical KB photos for your comments. If you care to comment, please tell me whether I can forward your comments to Massbird. Andrew Joslin wrote: > I've posted a few more photos of the World's End kingbird shot on Sunday > afternoon 11/12. > http://www.47custer.com/november_00/hingham_111200/ > > Andrew Joslin > Jamaica Plain, MA > pixel(AT)world.std.com
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [Fwd: [MASSBIRD] Hingham MA Kingbird audio] From: "James H. Barton" <redwing1986(AT)MEDIAONE.NET> Date: 14 Nov 2000 7:27am Friends, Marj. Rines and many others in MA would be grateful for your thoughts about the audio clip available at the URL below. Yours, Jim Barton redwing1986(AT)mediaone.net Cambridge, MA "Marj. Rines" wrote: > Phil Brown was able to video the bird, > and actually caught its vocalizations. He's sent me audio files (I've > edited them considerably, as they were quite large, but I have them for > anyone who wants to hear them), and I've posted these (along with a > photo showing the wing extended) at: > > http://people.ne.mediaone.net/marjrines/Kingbird.htm > > Turn your speakers WAY up - we were a considerable distance from the > bird, and there is a fair amount of noise, but the call is distinctly > audible. snip snip snip > Marj. Rines > Mailto:Marjrines(AT)mediaone.net > Arlington, MA > For more information on Massachusetts birding, visit: > http://Massbird.Org/
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: [Fwd: [MASSBIRD] Hingham MA Kingbird audio] From: Bill or Sue Smith <birdsmiths(AT)hotmail.com> Date: 14 Nov 2000 8:05pm Anyone wishing to decide the identity of the vocalizations, indirectly posted on this list by Jim Barton, for themselves can compare them to vocalizations available via the following two websites: http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/id/framlst/i4460id.html vs. http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/id/framlst/i4461id.html Cheers, Bill Smith ----------------- The Smiths "He who casts the vote decides nothing. Grays Harbor, Washington USA He who counts the vote decides everything." birdsmiths(AT)hotmail.com - Stalin
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Controversial "Veery" From: Alvaro Jaramillo <alvaro(AT)SIRIUS.COM> Date: 15 Nov 2000 10:22am At 09:53 AM 11/13/00 -0700, Narca Moore-Craig&Alan Craig wrote: >Hello all-- > >I just read Matt Heindell's forward of Steve Howell's post on the Veery >ID article in the June 2000 issue of Birding--particularly the photo on >page 247. As further point supporting Steve's contention that the bird >is a Gray-cheeked Thrush, not a Veery, look at the shape and length of >the bill, and compare that with the bills of the Veeries in other photos >in that article. All the other Veeries in profile show a relatively >longer, slimmer bill. In fact, the bill shape and proportions of the >controversial bird match those shown in the photos of Gray-cheeked >Thrush in the August 2000 issue of Birding. (To my eye, the bills of the >Bicknell's Thrushes in the Aug 2000 issue also seem more slender and >longer than those of the Gray-cheeked Thrushes.) > >Might this be a useful field mark? I've never studied bill proportions >of Catharus thrushes in the field, but will be scrutinizing that from >now on. Narca and BIRDWG01 I don't know if bill proportions help out in figuring out these thrushes. My guess is that geographic variation in a single character such as bill size will be considerable, particularly for wide ranging species such as Veery and Grey-cheeked Thrushes. But it is worth following up on. I would suggest measuring specimens in the museum as your primary data set, rather than field observation. I wanted to just mention a couple of points about that Veery shot in Birding, since I took the photo. First of all, it was taken in Aug.14, 1994 at Vaseux Lake, Okanagan Valley, British Columbia. We banded only Veery and Swainson's Thrush on that day, including juveniles of the latter. The Veery is **the** species of Catharus which breeds in the willow thickets of Vaseux Lake. Swainson's breeds a bit higher up and heads down to the willow thickets after breeding. Fall migration for these species, at this site, was likely just starting in mid August. There are no records of Grey-cheeked thrush from the Okanagan Valley (Cannings et al. 1987. Birds of the Okanagan Valley, British Columbia, Royal BC Museum, Victoria - a wonderful book by the way!), so if this bird is a Grey-cheeked Thrush it would be a first record for the area and probably for the southern Interior of British Columbia. I don't know when one should be expecting a vagrant Grey-cheeked Thrush in S. British Columbia, but mid-August seems way too early for this. Veeries on the other hand are common here in mid-August. More convincing is needed to make this bird a Grey-cheek rather than a Veery given the date and geographic locality. I don't have any measurements of the bird here but noted in my notes that this bird was: "like a coastal Swainson's Thrush but with grey flanks and no eyering. Spots on the breast were large unlike in eastern birds". The darkness shown in the photo reprinted in Birding is partially due to underexposure of the original and somewhat poor reproduction in the magazine. Other photos I have of the bird show a distinct rufous tone to the upperparts, particularly on the rump and lower back which is very unlike that of Grey-cheeked Thrushes and I removed that species from consideration in my mind. Its unfortunate that the photo turned out so grey, that it effectively looks much closer to a Grey-cheeked than we would have liked. This is a case of not trusting a single photo too much, the real bird was not quite this grey. However, we do think that the variation shown by Veery has been underestimated and birders need to be aware that the classic Veery that they know from birding in the East is not so classic further west. These birds are easily confused with Grey-cheeks or even coastal Swainson's Thrushes, particularly by those who have not seen them before. The character that is most consistently different in Western Veery is the density of spotting, which is quite unlike that of eastern birds. Yet many Western Veerys are really bright above and show much less spotting on the underparts than others, this is a bit of a mystery to me. Within a breeding region most Catharus are not all that variable, its between different regions that they differ. Veerys tend to show more individual variation within one site than other Catharus, at least at the West end of their range. Finally, if you go to the Okanagan, do take a look at the Swainson's Thrushes. The form here is so grey and lacking the typical warm tones on the breast and face that unless you see the tail its easy to confuse the birds for Hermit Thrushes. Even the flanks are grey, and the breasts look almost whitish rather than buff. This form was separated as a different race at one time, I am not sure what Phillips does with it. In any case, its interesting to note that the greyest and least bright of the Swainson's Thrush group is the one which geographically is closest to ustulatus, the brightest and warmest plumaged of the group. I really do think that Catharus ID has been underestimated and some of these birds are at least at the Empidonax level of difficulty. Particularly if one's frame of reference does not include experience with different geographic forms of these species. cheers, Al Alvaro Jaramillo Biologist San Francisco Bay Bird Observatory P.O. Box 247 Alviso, CA 95002 (408)-946-6548 http://www.sfbbo.org/ Home of the California Fall Challenge!! alvaro(AT)sirius.com Birds of Chile and New World Blackbirds at : http://www.sirius.com/~alvaro
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: [Fwd: [MASSBIRD] Hingham MA Kingbird audio] From: Bill or Sue Smith <birdsmiths(AT)hotmail.com> Date: 15 Nov 2000 10:51am The following post may previously have vanished into cyberspace. Anyone wishing to decide the identity of the vocalizations, indirectly posted on this list by Jim Barton, for themselves can compare them to vocalizations available via the following two websites: http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/id/framlst/i4460id.html vs. http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/id/framlst/i4461id.html Cheers, Bill Smith ----------------- The Smiths "He who casts the vote decides nothing. Grays Harbor, Washington USA He who counts the vote decides everything." birdsmiths(AT)hotmail.com - Stalin
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Controversial "Veery" From: David Sibley <dsibley(AT)SHORE.NET> Date: 15 Nov 2000 1:06pm I read Al Jaramillo's comments on the controversial Veery with great interest. Clearly the identification of Catharus thrushes can be much more challenging than we expect. I thought that the following comment: > Yet many Western Veerys are really bright above and show much less spotting > on the underparts than others,... was particularly interesting and reassuring. I searched for days in different places (British Columbia, Montana, Alberta, Texas in spring, Florida in spring, and several museum collections) without ever finding a strikingly drab Veery. Therefore in my guide I illustrated some subtle variation and labelled it vaguely, but my feeling is that I've seen as much variation among fall migrants at Cape May, NJ as I see anywhere. I would be interested to read any comments about the frequency of very drab birds like the one in Al's photo. Where have they been seen? how many? etc. Are they widespread? a rare color morph? or a small local population somewhere in the west? Perhaps part of the problem is simply the difficulty of assessing subtle variations in redness vs brownness, especially in photos. David -- David Sibley 355 Lexington Rd Concord, MA 01742 dsibley(AT)shore.net www.sibleyart.com
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Fall updates/side-by-side PABUs From: Don Roberson <creagrus(AT)MONTEREYBAY.COM> Date: 15 Nov 2000 8:12pm Through the courtesy of Ivan Samuels, Jim Booker, and the Big Sur Ornithology Lab, I have updated my Monterey County (Calif.) year 2000 highlights page with photos of three imm. Painted Buntings shown side-by-side. It is interesting to compare variation in this rare vagrant to the West Coast and I have a short discussion/speculation on juvenal vs. supplemental plumage in western populations of PABU following the photos. Add'l comments would be very welcome. The page is at http://montereybay.com/creagrus/MTY_2000.html New "family" pages have been recently added as well (cracids, fairywrens, skimmers etc.) and are easily accessed via the "What's New" page at http://montereybay.com/creagrus/new.html Many thanks for Ivan and Jim for arranging posting of the interesting photos. Don Roberson Pacific Grove CA
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: LBBG Bill Color Variation From: Noel Wamer <nwamer(AT)FCOL.COM> Date: 16 Nov 2000 4:57pm Yesterday (11/15/00) I observed two third basic/winter Lesser Black-backed Gulls (graellsii) at Wards Bank, Duval County, Florida. On both of these birds the distal 1/3 of the bill was yellowish, and the proximal 2/3 darkish. Having recently reviewed The Sibley, which points out a completely opposite bill color pattern, I was rather puzzled by this. A little web searching revealed the following photographs of birds in this plumage: light tip http://www.martinreid.com/lbbgp28.html dark tip http://www.martinreid.com/lbbgp14.html http://home.wanadoo.nl/leojrboon/Gulls/lar_gra04.htm yellow, w/red gonys spot http://www.bway.net/~lewis/birds/Lessers/gull035.JPG There is obviously considerable variation in the bill color pattern of these birds as they mature. Does anyone with more experience with this species than I do care to comment on this? Later... Noel Wamer nwamer(AT)fcol.com http://www.badbirdz.com Jacksonville, FL, US 30.2820 -81.4972 "A strange bird may cause a slight unrest until it is named..." (Walker Percy)
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: LBBG Bill Color Variation From: Bruce Mactavish <bruce.mactavish1(AT)NF.SYMPATICO.CA> Date: 17 Nov 2000 4:34pm Four of ten Lesser Black-backed Gulls I saw today at the dump in St. John's, Newfoundland were 3rd winters. I made a special point to look at the bill pattern of each bird. Generally the first impression of all four birds was a dark bill and a pale yellow outer third. On closer inspection each bird showed variable yellowish patches breaking through the blackish basal two thirds, mainly at the base of the lower mandible and along the cutting edge of both mandibles. I have photos of two 3rd winter LBBGs, one from October and one from mid January. These also show bills with a pattern similar to today's four birds and the two at Duval County, Florida. Grant (1986) describes the bill of 3rd winters as 'like adult - usually small dark subterminal mark or band', which is even less marked than the way it is illustrated in the Sibley Guide. Perhaps the bill reaches this stage later in the third winter of life. Bruce Mactavish St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada bruce.mactavish1(AT)nf.sympatico.ca
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: European Herring Gull In Ontario From: Jean Iron <jeaniron(AT)SYMPATICO.CA> Date: 18 Nov 2000 3:39pm In the October 2000 issue of OFO News 18(3):1-7, I listed the next most likely new species and subspecies of gulls to be recorded in Ontario. The list included Black-tailed Gull, Yellow-legged Gull, Common (Mew) Gull, Vega Herring Gull, Kelp Gull, Glaucous-winged Gull and European Herring Gull. Michel Gosselin of the Canadian Museum of Nature reminded me that there is a specimen of a European Herring Gull for Ontario. A first basic (first winter) bird was collected by the National Museum at the Ottawa dump on 11 November 1974. Back then it was thought to be a young Lesser Black-backed Gull. Juvenal and first basic European Herring Gulls (subspecies group argentatus / argenteus) are much more similar to Lesser Black-backed Gull than to the North American Herring Gull (subspecies smithsonianus). Pierre Devillers of the Belgium Museum visited Ottawa 1986. He confirmed that the Ottawa bird was a European Herring Gull, probably of the nominate subspecies argentatus. I'm posting this information because over the years we have seen several adult Herring Gulls, especially along the Niagara River, that appeared to be European Herring Gulls. I thank Michel Gosselin who will be publishing a full account of this first record of European Herring Gull in Ontario in an upcoming issue of Ontario Birds. Ron Pittaway Co-editor, Ontario Birds Jean Iron President, Ontario Field Ornithologists 9 Lichen Place Toronto, Ontario M3A 1X3 Canada Phone: 416-445-9297 e-mail: jeaniron(AT)sympatico.ca Web Page: http://www.interlog.com/~ofo
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Molt timing in Calonectris shearwaters From: Martin Reid <upupa(AT)AIRMAIL.NET> Date: 18 Nov 2000 6:26pm Dear all, I've been sent a photo of a shearwater that looks like it is either Cory's (Calonectris diomedea borealis(?)) or Cape Verde (Calonectris (d) edwardsii). I note that this bird from mid September has a very similar molt pattern to photos of C. edwardsii from Senegal in early Oct ( BIRDING WORLD Vol 10, No. 6, P 222-228): the inner 4/5 primaries are new and bluish-gray, contrasting with the brown, worn outer primaries, plus the outer greater secondary coverts were a similar blue-gray color, contrasting with the fresh-looking blackish outer secondaries. Can anyone provide information on whether C. diomedea (nominate and borealis) molts at the same time as C. edwarsdii, and if the wing looks similar during the molt? (any photos of Cory's looking like this would be appreciated) Thanks, Martin Martin Reid upupa(AT)airmail.net http://www.martinreid.com or http://www.cyberramp.net/~upupa
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