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ID-FRONTIERS for November 19-25, 2000

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 Subject From Date  Time 
 a storm-petrel  Eric Preston   Mon, 20 Nov 2000  7:54pm 
 a skua  Eric Preston   Mon, 20 Nov 2000  7:54pm 
 Salvin's/Chatham Albatross off California  Ross Silcock   Mon, 20 Nov 2000  8:12pm 
 QRY: Undertail coverts Am/Pac GPlover  James H. Barton  Tue, 21 Nov 2000  5:25pm 
 Archives?  Ross Silcock   Thu, 23 Nov 2000  10:52am 
 Mew Gull, the odd one out  norman van swelm   Fri, 24 Nov 2000  6:08pm 
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[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: a storm-petrel From: Eric Preston <ewpreston(AT)MINDSPRING.COM> Date: 20 Nov 2000 7:54pm This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Hello there, I was editing some slides recently and came across a couple of a storm-petrel species I believe I've never seen before. Please have a look and let me know what you think. http://www.mindspring.com/~ewpreston/birds/stormp.htm Reminds me of a story I read once about a Stygian Owl... Thanks, Eric Preston ewpreston(AT)mindspring.com San Francisco, CA ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: a skua From: Eric Preston <ewpreston(AT)MINDSPRING.COM> Date: 20 Nov 2000 7:54pm This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Hello there again, A similar thing happened with a skua on a different trip. No one noticed this at the time, but the slides on a light box with a loupe show this skua to have a definite cinnamon cast to the belly. The scans don't show it as well, but I'd like any input anyone has to offer. Please have a look and let me know what you think. http://www.mindspring.com/~ewpreston/birds/skua.htm Thanks, Eric Preston ewpreston(AT)mindspring.com San Francisco, CA ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Salvin's/Chatham Albatross off California From: Ross Silcock <silcock(AT)SIDNEY.HEARTLAND.NET> Date: 20 Nov 2000 8:12pm Regarding the "Shy" Albatross seen off California 29 July 2000, about which there was some agreement that it was a salvini, although eremita could not be ruled out on plumage grounds(as noted by David James) even though it would seem unlikely on geographic grounds, there is an interesting abstract in the latest Notornis (Vol 47, page 174). The abstract is entitled "The Chatham Albatross (Thalassarche eremita): at home and abroad" by Chris Robertson, David Bell, and David Nicholls, and was presented at the Ornithological Society of NZ Annual Meeting at Napier, NZ, on 4 June 2000. I believe that the information therein strongly suggests that the 29 July California bird could have indeed been either eremita or salvini. The abstract says in part: "Satellite tracking of 13 birds, band returns, fisheries by-catch and observations at sea have provided the first definitive picture of distribution at sea [of eremita]in the South Pacific. Breeding records suggest laying in Aug-Sep, incubation of 66-72 days, hatching Oct-Dec and probable chick fledging Feb-Apr. ....... Following breeding, birds migrate to Chile and Peru, returning via a more northerly route in Jul-Aug. ...." If the California bird was indeed eremita, and as it appeared to be a juvenile, then a plausible scenario has the bird fledged in Feb-Apr 2000 and making its way to the Humboldt current, moving north, and instead of returning to NZ in Jul-Aug, continuing north across the equator. Apparently salvini which reach South America are mostly from colonies at the Snares and Bounty Is (Harrison 1983), where young fledge primarily in Apr (HANZAB, citing Chris Robertson). Thus timing of fledging is unfortunately of little help in providing a clue to identification of juvenile "cauta" albatrosses in the eastern Pacific. Juveniles of both taxa apparently occur in the Humboldt Current at the same time. Ross Ross Silcock Tabor, IA silcock(AT)sidney.heartland.net New Zealand Land and Pelagic Trips <http://sidney.heartland.net/silcock>
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: QRY: Undertail coverts Am/Pac GPlover From: "James H. Barton" <redwing1986(AT)MEDIAONE.NET> Date: 21 Nov 2000 5:25pm Hello. Back to my currently favorite birds. <Tundra Plovers>, page Table 4, page 402, in listing field marks for "fully developed breeding plumages (males), for American Golden ..dominica.. and Pacific Golden ..fulva.., states that "Vent & under tail coverts" for American are "black" and for Pacific are "Black, varying amount of white". From this it appears that a white vent and/or undertail coverts is diagnostic for adult breeding Pacific, while black does not distinguish between the two species. Do you agree? And now the real question: What holds for "Vent & under tail coverts" for transitional birds in August, September, October, and for birds in full basic plumage? Do white undertail coverts, for example, eliminate American? Thanks for your help. Jim Barton redwing1986(AT)mediaone.net Cambridge, MA
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Archives? From: Ross Silcock <silcock(AT)SIDNEY.HEARTLAND.NET> Date: 23 Nov 2000 10:52am How does one (or can one) access BIRDWG01 archives beyond what is available on Birding on the Web? Any tips much appreciated. Ross Ross Silcock Tabor, IA silcock(AT)sidney.heartland.net http://sidney.heartland.net/silcock
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Mew Gull, the odd one out From: norman van swelm <Norman.vanswelm(AT)WXS.NL> Date: 24 Nov 2000 6:08pm As you may remember, last winter Peter de Knijff and I found a gull, here in The Netherlands, showing characters of Short-billed Gull L.c.brachyrhynchus. It stayed two months during which we took many photo's, some of which are on show on Martin Reids gull page. We did all we could to see and photograph the narrow white wedge separating the black tip from the grey base of primary 8. This is important since it is considered diagnostic in distinguishing brachyrhynchus from all other races of Larus canus. No matter what we did we could not get a good or long enough view of the 8th primary of this bird. It was so confident that it either sat for hours at a few metres from us without blinking an eye and when it moved, in order to chase a Black-headed Gull away, it did so too unexpectedly to see anything. The pleasant thing was that it considered us as something worth fighting for! On the pictures however there seems to be no or hardly any white wedge, hence it being disqualified as brachyrhynchus! During our further studies and with the help of Pim Wolf, who incidentally saw the bird as well, we established that our Dutch breeding bird, which because of its small size I choose to name L.canus minor, can show a white wedge in P8 as well! Indeed we found out that the same also holds true in L.c.kamtchatchensis! So, if someone sees a L.canus with a white wedge on P8 in Europe or Japan, that someone cannot be certain it is a brachyrhynchos despite it being considered as diagnostic! But what about the other way around? Are there any L.c.brachyrhynchus in America or Canada without a white wedge in P8? Ron Pittaway brought us in contact with Michel Gosselin (Collection Services, Canadian Museum of Nature, P.O. Box 3443, Station D Ottawa, Ontario CANADA K1P 6P4) and he has had a bit of research done for us. He reports the following: 'I had someone go over the 60 or so adult Mew Gulls in the collection to see if any were missing a white wedge on P8, and she found one (only) such specimen: CMNAV 49769, a female taken at Tuya Lake, B.C.,16 July 1962. It has only a thin (c. 1 mm) light line between the black and the gray areas of the wing. Our one specimen of kamtschatschensis (from Japan) also has no white wedge.' Now, does one bird challenges the diagnosibility of brachyrhynchus versus the other canus races when found in the US or Canada? Perhaps not (yet) but from personal experience I can assure you that it would take magical eyes to see a 1 mm light line on P8 in a wild bird! So is it not time to look for easier clues? Some of my earlier findings have been mentioned before in Martin Reid's postings (head, bill, tail, undertail coverts, short tarsi). Perhaps the old name Short-billed Gull is not so bad after all, mewing doesn't seem so diagnostic for a gull? So may I invite you all to have a look at brachyrhynchus' P8 this winter and send your results to ID Frontiers? Norman D.van Swelm
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