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| Subject | From | Date | Time |
| A very new goose. | Millington/BIS | Mon, 9 Apr 2001 | 3:18am |
| small Canada Goose | ian paulsen | Mon, 9 Apr 2001 | 5:46pm |
| Re: small Canada Goose | David Blue | Mon, 9 Apr 2001 | 9:07pm |
| Re: Small Canada Goose | John Walters | Tue, 10 Apr 2001 | 7:54am |
| Re: Small Canada Goose | Mike Patterson | Tue, 10 Apr 2001 | 8:22am |
| Re: Small Canada Goose | Graham Etherington | Tue, 10 Apr 2001 | 8:36am |
| Re: Small Canada Goose | John Walters | Tue, 10 Apr 2001 | 5:45pm |
| Richardson's Goose | Michael Retter | Tue, 10 Apr 2001 | 5:51pm |
| Re: Richardson's Goose | Bruce Deuel | Tue, 10 Apr 2001 | 8:18pm |
| Re: Small Canada Goose | ian paulsen | Tue, 10 Apr 2001 | 8:27pm |
| Re: Small Canada Goose | Andrew Guthrie | Wed, 11 Apr 2001 | 6:26am |
| Re: Small Canada Goose | Millington/BIS | Wed, 11 Apr 2001 | 7:54am |
| Re: Small Canada Goose | Chris Elphick | Wed, 11 Apr 2001 | 11:41am |
| Re: Small Canada Goose | Lethaby, Nick | Thu, 12 Apr 2001 | 9:22am |
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Subject: A very new goose.
From: Millington/BIS <sales(AT)birdingworld.co.uk>
Date: 9 Apr 2001 3:18am
Hi
North America's rarest goose? The newly discovered Semidi Island Goose...
There's a fabulous photograph of it (and some info) on Surfbirds.
Try www.surfbirds.com/index.htm and, under 'New Website Features' click on
'Birding World Top Photo Page'. It is well worth a look.
(Check out how closely it resembles the extinct Bering Goose in Peter
Scott's Coloured Key...)
all the best
Richard
sales(AT)birdingworld.co.uk
(Birding World, Books for Birders & Birdline)
Bird Information Service, Stonerunner, Coast Road,
Cley next the Sea, Holt, Norfolk, NR25 7RZ, UK
(VAT Reg 676 8589 56)
Tel. 44 (0) 1263 741139 Fax. 741173
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Subject: small Canada Goose
From: ian paulsen <ipaulsen(AT)LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US>
Date: 9 Apr 2001 5:46pm
HI:
Does anyone know where that island is located where the rare small
Canada Goose is found?
Sincerely
Ian "Birdbooker" Paulsen
Bainbridge Is., WA, USA
ipaulsen(AT)linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us
"Rallidae all the way"
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Subject: Re: small Canada Goose
From: David Blue <dblue(AT)SAN.RR.COM>
Date: 9 Apr 2001 9:07pm
According to my atlas, the Semidi Islands are approximately 100 miles SW of
Kodiak Island at approximately 56 degrees 04' North and 156 degrees 39'
West.
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Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 5:21 PM
To: BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject: [BIRDWG01] small Canada Goose
HI:
Does anyone know where that island is located where the rare small
Canada Goose is found?
Sincerely
Ian "Birdbooker" Paulsen
Bainbridge Is., WA, USA
ipaulsen(AT)linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us
"Rallidae all the way"
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Subject: Re: Small Canada Goose
From: John Walters <lizandjohn(AT)EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 10 Apr 2001 7:54am
David Blue wrote:
> According to my atlas, the Semidi Islands are approximately 100 miles SW of
> Kodiak Island at approximately 56 degrees 04' North and 156 degrees 39'
> West.
I think the islands in question are quite a bit farther west, out near
Attu. My Goode's World Atlas 15th edition (this is an atlas for
students taking geography courses, from MANY years ago) shows a group
labeled "Semichi Islands" at about 53 degrees N and 174 degrees E,
about 30-40 miles east of Attu. The original post mentioned the
apparent limited gene flow between this population and the Buldir
Island population; Buldir Island is the next island to the east, at
about 176 degrees E.
John Walters
Bonita, CA
lizandjohn(AT)earthlink.net
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Subject: Re: Small Canada Goose
From: Mike Patterson <celata(AT)pacifier.com>
Date: 10 Apr 2001 8:22am
http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.GetDetail?tab=Y&id=1409240
http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/MapServer?f_name=Semidi+Islands&f_state=AK&f_latlong=560343N1564154W&f_ht=16&server=TIGER
John Walters wrote:
>
> David Blue wrote:
>
> > According to my atlas, the Semidi Islands are approximately 100 miles SW of
> > Kodiak Island at approximately 56 degrees 04' North and 156 degrees 39'
> > West.
>
> I think the islands in question are quite a bit farther west, out near
> Attu. My Goode's World Atlas 15th edition (this is an atlas for
> students taking geography courses, from MANY years ago) shows a group
> labeled "Semichi Islands" at about 53 degrees N and 174 degrees E,
> about 30-40 miles east of Attu. The original post mentioned the
> apparent limited gene flow between this population and the Buldir
> Island population; Buldir Island is the next island to the east, at
> about 176 degrees E.
>
> John Walters
> Bonita, CA
> lizandjohn(AT)earthlink.net
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Subject: Re: Small Canada Goose
From: Graham Etherington <etherington(AT)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 10 Apr 2001 8:36am
The Semidi Islands are about 50 miles South West of the Kodiak Islands. You
pass nearby them on the ferry to Dutch Harbor.
Cheers,
Graham
Graham Etherington
197 Unthank Road,
Norwich NR2 2PQ,
England
Tel: (+44)07787 118809 (mobile) or 01603 506595 (home)
http://communities.msn.com/GrahamEtherington/home.htm
From: John Walters <lizandjohn(AT)EARTHLINK.NET>
>Reply-To: John Walters <lizandjohn(AT)EARTHLINK.NET>
>To: BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
>Subject: Re: [BIRDWG01] Small Canada Goose
>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:54:54 -0700
>
>David Blue wrote:
>
> > According to my atlas, the Semidi Islands are approximately 100 miles SW
>of
> > Kodiak Island at approximately 56 degrees 04' North and 156 degrees 39'
> > West.
>
>I think the islands in question are quite a bit farther west, out near
>Attu. My Goode's World Atlas 15th edition (this is an atlas for
>students taking geography courses, from MANY years ago) shows a group
>labeled "Semichi Islands" at about 53 degrees N and 174 degrees E,
>about 30-40 miles east of Attu. The original post mentioned the
>apparent limited gene flow between this population and the Buldir
>Island population; Buldir Island is the next island to the east, at
>about 176 degrees E.
>
>John Walters
>Bonita, CA
>lizandjohn(AT)earthlink.net
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Subject: Re: Small Canada Goose
From: John Walters <lizandjohn(AT)EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 10 Apr 2001 5:45pm
Hello all,
OK, you've convinced me--Semidi Islands are SW of Kodiak, not out by
Attu. Does anyone have a reference to any studies out there on these
geese: a subspecific name, for example, or more information on their
biology?
John Walters
Bonita, CA
lizandjohn(AT)earthlink.net
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Subject: Richardson's Goose
From: Michael Retter <mretter(AT)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 10 Apr 2001 5:51pm
Hello all.
I have a question. Here in central Illinois, Richardson's Goose (Branta
canadensis hutchinsii) is EASILY identifiable from all other forms of Canada
Goose: it's a lot smaller, paler breasted, grayer, has a much greater
propensity for white foreneck crescents, and has a VERY stubby, tiny bill
compared to the larger taxa. Most of this I believe falls in line with the
Sibley Guide.
However, I have one major disagreement with Sibley. He says that (this is
off the top of my head; I don't have the book in front of me at the moment)
Richardson's is (often not/not at all?) distinguishable by voice from the
large races of Canada Goose.
I have extensive experience with this taxon (a species, in my humble
opinion) here in Illinois where it occurs in migration by the hundreds. I
have never heard a Richardson's that sounded remotely similar to a large
race Canada. In fact, when I hear a flock of them in the air, the first
thing that enters my mind is that I have a flock of Ross' Geese approaching.
In my opinion, the voice of hutchinsii is a very high-pitched yapping, or
dare I say, cackling. Like "keek, keek" or "beep, beep." And never would I
confuse the “beep” of a vocalizing hutchinsii with the honk of a
maxima/interior/etc. The difference is night and day in my ears.
I was wondering what the experts out there have to say about this. Is this
an error in the book, or do I just have bad ears? If you have experience
with Richardson's Goose, I'd like to hear your thoughts. If you think
others on this list would be interested in your response, please by all
means, post it for everyone to see. I have no idea whether anyone will take
interest in this, especially since it is really is a question posed to
birders/experts from the interior, a dearth of which seems to exist.
Thanks,
Michael L. P. Retter
Illinois Wesleyan University
Bloomington, McLean Co, IL
mretter(AT)hotmail.com
mretter(AT)sun.iwu.edu
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Subject: Re: Richardson's Goose
From: Bruce Deuel <bkrdeuel(AT)snowcrest.net>
Date: 10 Apr 2001 8:18pm
I don't have any experience with Richardson's goose, but lots with cacklers,
which also can be told from larger geese (even Aleutians) as far away as
they can be heard. I can't imagine that not being the case with
Richardson's goose, also.
Sincerely,
Bruce Deuel
Red Bluff, CA
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From: "Michael Retter" <mretter(AT)HOTMAIL.COM>
To: <BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 5:50 PM
Subject: [BIRDWG01] Richardson's Goose
> Hello all.
>
> I have a question. Here in central Illinois, Richardson's Goose (Branta
> canadensis hutchinsii) is EASILY identifiable from all other forms of
Canada
> Goose: it's a lot smaller, paler breasted, grayer, has a much greater
> propensity for white foreneck crescents, and has a VERY stubby, tiny bill
> compared to the larger taxa. Most of this I believe falls in line with
the
> Sibley Guide.
>
> However, I have one major disagreement with Sibley. He says that (this is
> off the top of my head; I don't have the book in front of me at the
moment)
> Richardson's is (often not/not at all?) distinguishable by voice from the
> large races of Canada Goose.
>
> I have extensive experience with this taxon (a species, in my humble
> opinion) here in Illinois where it occurs in migration by the hundreds. I
> have never heard a Richardson's that sounded remotely similar to a large
> race Canada. In fact, when I hear a flock of them in the air, the first
> thing that enters my mind is that I have a flock of Ross' Geese
approaching.
> In my opinion, the voice of hutchinsii is a very high-pitched yapping,
or
> dare I say, cackling. Like "keek, keek" or "beep, beep." And never would
I
> confuse the "beep" of a vocalizing hutchinsii with the honk of a
> maxima/interior/etc. The difference is night and day in my ears.
>
> I was wondering what the experts out there have to say about this. Is
this
> an error in the book, or do I just have bad ears? If you have experience
> with Richardson's Goose, I'd like to hear your thoughts. If you think
> others on this list would be interested in your response, please by all
> means, post it for everyone to see. I have no idea whether anyone will
take
> interest in this, especially since it is really is a question posed to
> birders/experts from the interior, a dearth of which seems to exist.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael L. P. Retter
> Illinois Wesleyan University
> Bloomington, McLean Co, IL
> mretter(AT)hotmail.com
> mretter(AT)sun.iwu.edu
> http://www.iwu.edu/~mretter
> (309) 556-2237
>
> Visit the McLean County Birding Page at:
> http://www.iwu.edu/~mretter/McLean.html
>
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Subject: Re: Small Canada Goose
From: ian paulsen <ipaulsen(AT)LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US>
Date: 10 Apr 2001 8:27pm
HI All:
Try: Hatch,S.A. and M.A. hatch. 1983. An isolated population of small
Canada geese on Kaliktagik Island, Alaska.Wildfowl:34:130-36.
Sincerely
Ian "Birdbooker" Paulsen
Bainbridge Is., WA, USA
ipaulsen(AT)linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us
"Rallidae all the way"
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Subject: Re: Small Canada Goose
From: Andrew Guthrie <andrew.guthrie(AT)EY.COM>
Date: 11 Apr 2001 6:26am
A quick internet search turned up information indicating that this
population is currently treated as part of Aleutian Canada Goose (Branta
canadensis leucopareia). The US Fish & Wildlife Service proposal to
de-list Aleutian Canada Goose, at
http://policy.fws.gov/library/99fr42058.html, contained the following:
"We subsequently found small breeding groups of Aleutian Canada
geese on Kiliktagik Island in the Semidi Islands south of the Alaska
Peninsula in 1979 (Hatch and Hatch 1983), and on Chagulak Island in the
central Aleutians in 1982 (Bailey and Trapp 1984). Geese from Chagulak
Island are morphologically (in form) identical to those from the
western Aleutians. Semidi Islands geese are morphologically similar to
geese from the Aleutian Islands but tend to have darker breasts, more
variable neck rings and a less distinct subtending line below the neck
ring (D. Pitkin, Fish and Wildlife Service, pers. comm.). Genetic
studies indicate that geese from both Chagulak Island and the Semidi
Islands are more closely related to Aleutian Canada geese than other
Canada goose subspecies (Shields and Wilson 1987; Pierson et al. 1998).
We consider the Chagulak Island and Semidi Islands geese remnant
populations of the previously more continuously distributed Aleutian
Canada goose."
Andy Guthrie
Port Chester, NY
andyguthrie(AT)earthlink.net
owner-birdwg01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
04/10/2001 08:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [BIRDWG01] Small Canada Goose
Hello all,
OK, you've convinced me--Semidi Islands are SW of Kodiak, not out by
Attu. Does anyone have a reference to any studies out there on these
geese: a subspecific name, for example, or more information on their
biology?
John Walters
Bonita, CA
lizandjohn(AT)earthlink.net
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Subject: Re: Small Canada Goose
From: Millington/BIS <sales(AT)birdingworld.co.uk>
Date: 11 Apr 2001 7:54am
Hi
the most recent science on the Aleutian goose complex was presented just
last week....
at the Tenth North American Arctic Goose conference, held in Quebec on
3rd-7th April 2001
An abstract of the pertinent presentation reads as follows:
>>>>
"A Genetic Characterization of Aleutian Canada Geese: Chagulak Island
Relationships to Buldir and Semidi Islands, by
Barbara Pierson, Alaska Biological Science Center, U.S. Geological Survey,
Biological Resources Division, Anchorage, Alaska, U.S.A.
John Pearce, Alaska Biological Science Center, U.S. Geological Survey,
Biological Resources Division, Anchorage, Alaska, U.S.A.
Chris Rhea, Alaska Biological Science Center, U.S. Geological Survey,
Biological Resources Division, Anchorage, Alaska, U.S.A.
Kim Scribner, Department of Fisheries and Wildlife, Michigan State
University, East Lansing, Michigan, U.S.A.
Sandra Talbot, Alaska Biological Science Center, U.S. Geological Survey,
Biological Resources Division, Anchorage, Alaska, U.S.A.
"Aleutian Canada Geese Branta canadensis leucopareia are currently proposed
for delisting from "threatened" status under the Endangered Species Act.
Total numbers of Aleutian Canada Geese have increased across the subspecies
range, though at differing rates for individual segments. Previous genetic
analyses of Aleutian Canada Geese from Buldir Island and the Semidi Islands
indicated the degree of genetic differentiation was sufficient to consider
each population as separate management units. However, weaknesses associated
with the initial study were low sample size and the absence of samples from
the geographically intermediate population of Chagulak Island. Samples from
Chagulak Island and additional samples from Buldir Island and the Semidi
Islands have now been analyzed for 6 microsatellite DNA loci. Preliminary
results indicate the presence of unique alleles in the Chagulak samples as
well as substantial frequency differences between all 3 populations.
Additional microsatellite loci and mtDNA sequence data are being collected
for complete analyses. These results indicate limited gene flow and
substantial genetic structure among all 3 Aleutian Canada Goose segments.
Delisting the Aleutian Canada Goose from its current status as "threatened"
under the Endangered Species Act will require a comprehensive 5 year
monitoring plan of all subspecies segments. These data provide useful
information from breeding geese from across the subspecies range, and give
insight into levels of gene flow not obtainable from wintering ground or
breeding bird survey data alone."<<<<
If anyone knows any of the authors, or a birder who attended the conference,
it may be possible to put more flesh on the bones of this abstract...
For amateur students of PSC, might the statement 'These results indicate
limited gene flow and substantial genetic structure among all 3 Aleutian
Canada Goose segments' be cause for another beer?
good birding
Richard Millington
www.birdingworld.co.uk
(Birding World, Books for Birders & Birdline)
sales(AT)birdingworld.co.uk
Bird Information Service, Stonerunner, Coast Road,
Cley next the Sea, Holt, Norfolk, NR25 7RZ, UK
Tel. 44 (0) 1263 741139 Fax. 741173
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Subject: Re: Small Canada Goose
From: Chris Elphick <elphick(AT)UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Date: 11 Apr 2001 11:41am
Apologies if I'm wandering off topic, but a couple of the recent posts have
noted that Aleutian Canada Goose is proposed for delisting from the US
Endangered Species list. My understanding is that this delisting has
already happened (as of 20 March 2001) and that the population is no longer
protected under the ESA. Information on the delisting is available at:
http://policy.fws.gov/library/66fr15643.html
If it turns out that there are distinct subpopulations within the Aleutian
Canada complex, and that not all are doing as well as the overall
population (which I believe is dominated by birds from Buldir), then the
celebrations over a putative new species may be as short lived as those for
Gunnison Sage-Grouse threaten to be.
chris
At 03:55 PM 4/11/01 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi
>the most recent science on the Aleutian goose complex was presented just
>last week....
>at the Tenth North American Arctic Goose conference, held in Quebec on
>3rd-7th April 2001
>
>An abstract of the pertinent presentation reads as follows:
>>>>>
>"A Genetic Characterization of Aleutian Canada Geese: Chagulak Island
>Relationships to Buldir and Semidi Islands, by
>Barbara Pierson, Alaska Biological Science Center, U.S. Geological Survey,
>Biological Resources Division, Anchorage, Alaska, U.S.A.
>John Pearce, Alaska Biological Science Center, U.S. Geological Survey,
>Biological Resources Division, Anchorage, Alaska, U.S.A.
>Chris Rhea, Alaska Biological Science Center, U.S. Geological Survey,
>Biological Resources Division, Anchorage, Alaska, U.S.A.
>Kim Scribner, Department of Fisheries and Wildlife, Michigan State
>University, East Lansing, Michigan, U.S.A.
>Sandra Talbot, Alaska Biological Science Center, U.S. Geological Survey,
>Biological Resources Division, Anchorage, Alaska, U.S.A.
>
>"Aleutian Canada Geese Branta canadensis leucopareia are currently proposed
>for delisting from "threatened" status under the Endangered Species Act.
>Total numbers of Aleutian Canada Geese have increased across the subspecies
>range, though at differing rates for individual segments. Previous genetic
>analyses of Aleutian Canada Geese from Buldir Island and the Semidi Islands
>indicated the degree of genetic differentiation was sufficient to consider
>each population as separate management units. However, weaknesses associated
>with the initial study were low sample size and the absence of samples from
>the geographically intermediate population of Chagulak Island. Samples from
>Chagulak Island and additional samples from Buldir Island and the Semidi
>Islands have now been analyzed for 6 microsatellite DNA loci. Preliminary
>results indicate the presence of unique alleles in the Chagulak samples as
>well as substantial frequency differences between all 3 populations.
>Additional microsatellite loci and mtDNA sequence data are being collected
>for complete analyses. These results indicate limited gene flow and
>substantial genetic structure among all 3 Aleutian Canada Goose segments.
>Delisting the Aleutian Canada Goose from its current status as "threatened"
>under the Endangered Species Act will require a comprehensive 5 year
>monitoring plan of all subspecies segments. These data provide useful
>information from breeding geese from across the subspecies range, and give
>insight into levels of gene flow not obtainable from wintering ground or
>breeding bird survey data alone."<<<<
>
>If anyone knows any of the authors, or a birder who attended the conference,
>it may be possible to put more flesh on the bones of this abstract...
>For amateur students of PSC, might the statement 'These results indicate
>limited gene flow and substantial genetic structure among all 3 Aleutian
>Canada Goose segments' be cause for another beer?
>
>good birding
>Richard Millington
>www.birdingworld.co.uk
>
>(Birding World, Books for Birders & Birdline)
>sales(AT)birdingworld.co.uk
>Bird Information Service, Stonerunner, Coast Road,
>Cley next the Sea, Holt, Norfolk, NR25 7RZ, UK
>Tel. 44 (0) 1263 741139 Fax. 741173
>
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Subject: Re: Small Canada Goose
From: "Lethaby, Nick" <nlethaby(AT)TI.COM>
Date: 12 Apr 2001 9:22am
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The Semidi islands are SW of Kodiak, you go past them on the ferry to Dutch
Harbour. I believe this is the population that winters on an island off
Pacific City on the central Oregon coast.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Patterson [mailto:celata(AT)pacifier.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:22 AM
To: BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject: Re: [BIRDWG01] Small Canada Goose
http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.GetDetail?tab=Y&id=1409240
http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/MapServer?f_name=Semidi+Islands&f_state=AK
&f_latlong=560343N1564154W&f_ht=16&server=TIGER
John Walters wrote:
>
> David Blue wrote:
>
> > According to my atlas, the Semidi Islands are approximately 100 miles SW
of
> > Kodiak Island at approximately 56 degrees 04' North and 156 degrees 39'
> > West.
>
> I think the islands in question are quite a bit farther west, out near
> Attu. My Goode's World Atlas 15th edition (this is an atlas for
> students taking geography courses, from MANY years ago) shows a group
> labeled "Semichi Islands" at about 53 degrees N and 174 degrees E,
> about 30-40 miles east of Attu. The original post mentioned the
> apparent limited gene flow between this population and the Buldir
> Island population; Buldir Island is the next island to the east, at
> about 176 degrees E.
>
> John Walters
> Bonita, CA
> lizandjohn(AT)earthlink.net
--
Mike Patterson Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo,
Astoria, OR it is not enough to be persecuted
celata(AT)pacifier.com by an unkind establishment,
you must also be right.
---Robert Park
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