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ID-FRONTIERS for June 10-16, 2001

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 Subject From Date  Time 
 Lake and they  John C. Wilson  Mon, 11 Jun 2001  7:27pm 
 Re: Lake and they  Cliff and Lisa Weiss  Mon, 11 Jun 2001  7:38pm 
 WARNING - VIRUS in Re: Lake and they  Katrina Knight   Mon, 11 Jun 2001  7:42pm 
 Mystery Bird Updates  Trevor Hardaker   Mon, 11 Jun 2001  10:29pm 
 eye-browed Robin pix  D. Heindel  Wed, 13 Jun 2001  9:51pm 
 Green-winged Teal  Angus Wilson   Fri, 15 Jun 2001  9:06am 
 Median Coverts in Gulls  Jean Iron   Fri, 15 Jun 2001  12:34pm 
 Re: Median Coverts in Gulls  John Idzikowski   Fri, 15 Jun 2001  12:55pm 
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[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Lake and they From: "John C. Wilson" <jcwilson(AT)LIGHTSPEED.NET> Date: 11 Jun 2001 7:27pm This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- They should be looked for on dry lakebeds throughout the region. Chicks are usually noted from early May through June, and occasionally into July and August. Small numbers are seen during some winters at Edwards AFB and China Lake. ----DELETED image/gif MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Lake and they From: Cliff and Lisa Weisse <october(AT)IDA.NET> Date: 11 Jun 2001 7:38pm My anti virus software caught an infected file attached to this post. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John C. Wilson" <jcwilson(AT)LIGHTSPEED.NET> To: <BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 8:27 PM Subject: [BIRDWG01] Lake and they > They should be looked for on dry lakebeds throughout the region. Chicks are usually noted from early May through June, and occasionally into July and August. Small numbers are seen during some winters at Edwards AFB and China Lake. >
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: WARNING - VIRUS in Re: Lake and they From: Katrina Knight <kknight(AT)EPIX.NET> Date: 11 Jun 2001 7:42pm On 10:27 PM 6/11/01 John C. Wilson wrote: > They should be looked for on dry lakebeds throughout the region. > Chicks are usually noted from early May through June, and > occasionally into July and August. Small numbers are seen during some > winters at Edwards AFB and China Lake. The file attached to this is a virus. -- Katrina Knight kknight(AT)epix.net Reading, PA
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Mystery Bird Updates From: Trevor Hardaker <trevor(AT)DHK.CO.ZA> Date: 11 Jun 2001 10:29pm Greetings from Cape Town, Just a quick update on the two most recent mystery birds on our website at http://www.zestforbirds.co.za . They are either too easy or too difficult judging from the lack of comments so far. However, there have been a few people that have sent us comments. So far, the verdicts are: Mystery Cuckoo #2: There have been two options suggested here. The bird is thought to be either an African Cuckoo (Cuculus gularis) or a European Cuckoo (Cuculus canorus). There have also been suggestions that it is the hepatic form of the European Cuckoo. Mystery Gull #6: The 3 suggestions for this bird are more or less equally divided. They are Kelp Gull (Larus dominicanus dominicanus), Cape Gull (Larus dominicanus vetula) and "Baltic" Lesser Black-backed Gull (Larus fuscus fuscus). So, put your thinking caps on and send us your verdict on these birds. We'd love to hear what you think they are and what your reasons for saying so are as well. Looking forward to hearing from you. Kind Regards Trevor and John --------------------------------------------------------- Trevor Hardaker and John Graham Cape Town, South Africa ZEST for BIRDS Website: http://www.zestforbirds.co.za ---------------------------------------------------------
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: eye-browed Robin pix From: "D. Heindel" <birdfish(AT)earthlink.net> Date: 13 Jun 2001 9:51pm ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Hi all, You may find interesting the pictures on my site of an unusual Turdus sp. I appreciate any insights and comments from all of you on these birds....have a look at: http://www.angelfire.com/ca5/pelagics/MYSTERIES2.html There is no music so it shouldn't crash your browser, no matter how antiquated :):):) I apologize for problems some viewers have had. I guess I'll de-embed the music, so you have to click on it to get it, and eliminate the problems.... There is a Myiarchus and an Oystercatcher on the page as well.... all of us are smarter than any of us Mitch the D. stands for dysfunctional Mitch Heindel birdfish(AT)earthlink.net http://www.angelfire.com/ca5/pelagics ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Green-winged Teal From: Angus Wilson <wilsoa02(AT)ENDEAVOR.MED.NYU.EDU> Date: 15 Jun 2001 9:06am For those who haven't seen it already, there is a paper in the current issue of British Birds reviewing the systematics of the Green-winged Teals (Anas carolinensis and crecca). The citation is: Sangster, G., Collinson, M., Helbig, A. J., Knox, A. G., Parkin, D. T. and Prater, T. (2001) The taxonomic status of Green-winged Teal Anas carolinensis. British Birds 94: 218-226. The article appears to be a formal announcement by the Association of European Rarities Committees and the British Ornithologists' Union Records Committee that they now consider Green-winged Teal (A. carolinensis) and Eurasian Teal (A. crecca) separate species. The authors provide an elegant summary of the morphological, behavioural and molecular differences between these two forms, which are in general culled from existing literature. It is also well illustrated with color photos showing salient points for field identification of males and, perhaps more importantly, the very similar females. The most recent molecular analyses can be found in: Johnson, K. P. and Sorenson, M. D. (1998) Comparing molecular evolution in two mitochondrial proteins coding genes (cytochrome B and ND2) in the dabbling ducks (Tribe: Anatini). Mol. Phylogen. Evol. 10: 82-94. Johnson, K. P. and Sorenson, M. D. (1999) Phylogeny and biogeography of dabbling ducks (genus Anas): a comparison of molecular and morphological evidence. Auk 116: 792-805. Interestingly, Sangster et al. find little support for the Aleutian subspecies A. carolinensis nimia described by Friedmann in 1948, and imply this population is not distinct from A. crecca. One wonders whether the American Ornithologists' Union (AOU) will follow this re-split? Can anyone with in-side knowledge comment? Perhaps records committees in North America might want to encourage observers to submit records of "Eurasian Green-winged Teal", in anticipation of a future split on this side of the pond? Angus Wilson New York City Wilsoa02(AT)med.nyu.edu
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Median Coverts in Gulls From: Jean Iron <jeaniron(AT)SYMPATICO.CA> Date: 15 Jun 2001 12:34pm Do gulls have 1 or 2 rows of median secondary coverts on the upper wing? The reason for asking is that Jean Iron and I did a molt study of the Heermann's Gull that spent about 10 months in Toronto, Ontario from November 1999 to September 2000. We'll be submitting a paper to Ontario Birds, which describes the Alternate I and Prebasic II molts of Toronto's Heermann's Gull. The Heermann's Gull allowed us to study its plumages and molts at extremely close range. Our observations suggest that it had 2 rows of median coverts, overlapping in the opposite direction (inner webs exposed) to the greater coverts and to most of the lesser coverts. We asked two museum people. One examined a Ring-billed Gull wing which appeared to have 2 rows; the other examined a Great Black-backed Gull wing which also appeared to have 2 rows of median coverts. In specimens feathers often become disorganized, hence the qualifiers "appeared" to have 2 rows. There seem to be 2 rows of median coverts in a few good flight photos in Grant's (1986) Gulls. In the excellent article on upperwing topography on page 230 in the June 2001 issue of Birding, it says that "By convention and to be unambiguous, the greater and median coverts are best considered to each consist of a single row of feathers." What is the "convention" being referred to in the Birding article? Are there 1 or 2 rows of median coverts in gulls? Happy gull watching, Ron Pittaway Minden, Ontario E-mail: jeaniron(AT)sympatico.ca Jean Iron President, Ontario Field Ornithologists 9 Lichen Place Toronto, Ontario M3A 1X3 Canada Phone: 416-445-9297 e-mail: jeaniron(AT)sympatico.ca Web Page: http://www.interlog.com/~ofo
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Median Coverts in Gulls From: John Idzikowski <idzikoj(AT)UWM.EDU> Date: 15 Jun 2001 12:55pm The following album contains all gulls with many good shots of wing studies http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1596768&a=12588904 John Idzikowski, Milwaukee ----- Original Message ----- From: Jean Iron <jeaniron(AT)SYMPATICO.CA> To: <BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 2:34 PM Subject: [BIRDWG01] Median Coverts in Gulls > Do gulls have 1 or 2 rows of median secondary coverts on the upper wing? > > The reason for asking is that Jean Iron and I did a molt study of the > Heermann's Gull that spent about 10 months in Toronto, Ontario from > November 1999 to September 2000. We'll be submitting a paper to Ontario > Birds, which describes the Alternate I and Prebasic II molts of Toronto's > Heermann's Gull. > > The Heermann's Gull allowed us to study its plumages and molts at extremely > close range. Our observations suggest that it had 2 rows of median coverts, > overlapping in the opposite direction (inner webs exposed) to the greater > coverts and to most of the lesser coverts. We asked two museum people. One > examined a Ring-billed Gull wing which appeared to have 2 rows; the other > examined a Great Black-backed Gull wing which also appeared to have 2 rows > of median coverts. In specimens feathers often become disorganized, hence > the qualifiers "appeared" to have 2 rows. There seem to be 2 rows of median > coverts in a few good flight photos in Grant's (1986) Gulls. > > In the excellent article on upperwing topography on page 230 in the June > 2001 issue of Birding, it says that "By convention and to be unambiguous, > the greater and median coverts are best considered to each consist of a > single row of feathers." What is the "convention" being referred to in the > Birding article? > > Are there 1 or 2 rows of median coverts in gulls? > > Happy gull watching, > > Ron Pittaway > Minden, Ontario > E-mail: jeaniron(AT)sympatico.ca > > Jean Iron > President, Ontario Field Ornithologists > 9 Lichen Place > Toronto, Ontario M3A 1X3 > Canada > Phone: 416-445-9297 > e-mail: jeaniron(AT)sympatico.ca > Web Page: http://www.interlog.com/~ofo >
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