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Subject: Restoration of ID Frontiers archive at U. Ariz.
From: Bill or Sue Smith <birdsmiths(AT)hotmail.com>
Date: 26 Aug 2001 12:24pm
If notice of this event has already appeared, I apologize for
having missed it.
Access to the archive of postings of messages on Will Russell's
birdwg01, Frontiers of Bird Identification, seems recently to have
been restored by the University of Arizona. Most messages back to
January 1995 are now available and searchable via:
http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html
Will (or whoever is responsible for getting them back on line):
Thanks!
Bill
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The Smiths
Grays Harbor, Washington USA
birdsmiths(AT)hotmail.com
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Subject: RFI - Lark Bunting
From: Bill or Sue Smith <birdsmiths(AT)hotmail.com>
Date: 26 Aug 2001 12:39pm
I've been trying to find photos of young Lark Buntings taken in
late summer (i.e., about now), before they have fully attained first
basic plumage. For that matter, I'd like to study photos of Lark
Buntings presumed to be in 1st basic plumage. Can anyone help, either
with references to published sources, or with the photos themselves?
Thanks!
Bill
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The Smiths
Grays Harbor, Washington USA
birdsmiths(AT)hotmail.com
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Subject: Help with gull
From: Trevor Hardaker <trevor(AT)DHK.CO.ZA>
Date: 27 Aug 2001 11:47pm
Hello from Cape Town,
We have added some photos of a gull that was photographed at Cape Recife in
the Eastern Cape on Sunday, 26 August 2001 to our website at
http://www.zestforbirds.co.za under the "Recent Rarity Photos" section. This
bird has been tentatively identified as a Heuglin's Gull (Larus fuscus
heuglini) but we cannot be absolutely sure as there is little experience of
the Lesser Black-backed Gull complex in South Africa.
We would appreciate it if some of the more experienced gull watchers out
there could have a look at this bird and give us some comments on what they
think it is. These gulls are notoriously difficult even for the most
experienced observers, so any comments we get would be gratefully received.
Thanks and regards
Trevor
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Trevor Hardaker and John Graham
Cape Town, South Africa
ZEST for BIRDS
Website: http://www.zestforbirds.co.za
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Subject: Re: Hummingbird ID opinions requested
From: Will Cook <cwcook(AT)DUKE.EDU>
Date: 28 Aug 2001 12:46pm
Birdwg01ers,
I just added the observers' description and a summary of opinions on the
hummingbird photos at: http://www.duke.edu/~cwcook/winhum.html
Thanks for your help - so far I've received 30 opinions from the 460 people
that visited the page:
Calliope: 14.5
Rufous, Allen's, or Rufous/Allen's: 14
Ruby-throated: 1
Costa's: 0.5
I wanted to see if a consensus could be reached from the physical evidence
(photos), but it appears not! This is apparently a good illustration of how
tricky identification of female/immature hummingbirds can be.
Opinions based on the photos are posted at
http://www.duke.edu/~cwcook/winhumo.html with my own take at the end, though
I am a little biased since I actually saw the bird. One thing that misled a
lot of people is the apparent patch of gorget feathers in the two lower left
photos. This is an artifact of feather arrangement. Sorry, I didn't
realize these two photos would be so misleading when I selected them. This
bird had no colored gorget feathers, just a pattern of pale brown spotting.
Please let me know if you would like to add a new opinion or revise your old
opinion based on the new information.
Thanks,
Will
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Charles W. "Will" Cook w 919-660-7423
http://www.duke.edu/~cwcook cwcook(AT)duke.edu
Biology Dept., Duke Univ., Box 90340, Durham, NC 27708
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Subject: [SEABIRD] (Fwd) [EBNNL] EBNNNL: RFI:
Identificatie van Pijlstormvogels i (fwd)
From: ian paulsen <ipaulsen(AT)LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US>
Date: 29 Aug 2001 9:55am
HI:
Please see website below. Any guesses? PLease respond to Kees not to me!
Ian Paulsen
Bainbridge Is., WA, USA
ipaulsen(AT)linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us
A.K.A.: "Birdbooker"
"Rallidae all the way"
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:53:49 +0200
From: Kees Camphuysen <camphuys(AT)nioz.nl>
To: seabird(AT)uct.ac.za
Cc: rekel(AT)TREF.NL
Subject: [SEABIRD] (Fwd) [EBNNL] EBNNNL: RFI: Identificatie van Pijlstormvogels
i
<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param>Dear seabirders,
Ruud Kampf needs help with the identification of two shearwaters,
found dead in Oman last year. Kees Roselaar (Zool Mus
Amsterdam) and Vincent </color>Bretagnolle, CNRS - CEBC were so far
unable to give these two birds a name with certainty. The smaller
species could be persicus or baillioni, the larger one could be a
Cory's Shearwater (if so, number 8 or so for the region).
Any help is appreciated; below follows the original message (in
Dutch). The birds can be seen at the following web-pages:
<underline><color><param>0000,8000,0000</param>http://www.rekel.nl/vogels/pijlstormvogels/Duqm.htm
</underline></color>De Cory's:
<underline><color><param>0000,8000,0000</param>http://www.rekel.nl/vogels/pijlstormvogels/Masirah.htm</underline></color> <color><param>0100,0100,0100</param>
On behalf of Ruud Kampf, please do your best
Kees Camphuysen
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</color>Send reply to: <color><param>0000,0000,8000</param>Ruud Kampf
<<rekel(AT)TREF.NL>
<bold></color>Subject: <color><param>0000,0000,8000</param>[EBNNL]
EBNNNL: RFI: Identificatie van Pijlstormvogels in Oman
</bold></color>Tijdens een bezoek aan Oman vorig jaar vonden wij twee
Pijlstormvogels.
Ondanks inspanningen van Kees Roselaar, Zoologisch museum, Universiteit van
Amsterdam en van Vincent Bretagnolle, CNRS - CEBC, Centre d'études
Biologiques de Chizé is de identificatie van de Persische ? Pijlstormvogel
nog hoogst onzeker.
Ook Nils van Duivendijk heeft enige tijd geleden commentaar geleverd:
"Ik heb naar de plaatjes van de dode pijlen gekeken, erg boeiend! Dit is de
eerst foto die ik zie van een vogel uit het kleine pijlen-complex uit die
hoek. Het blijft lastig om persicus en baillioni te herkennen omdat persicus
soms ook beschreven wordt met donkere onderstaartdekveren ?! baillioni zou
in ieder geval lichte onderstaartdekveren moeten hebben. De roze poten en
vrij donkere ondervleugels wijzen in ieder geval op een Perzische, maar
welke ..?
De grotere pijl heeft volgens mij een te korte snavel voor Kuhls,
snavelpatroon en structuur doen mij aan Wigstaart denken en de opgegeven
maat klopt in ieder geval beter voor die soort. Beide zijn zeldzaam daar. De
staartvorm zou een aanwijzing kunnen zijn maar die kan ik niet ontwaren"
Wie kan ons verder helpen? Zie:
http://www.rekel.nl/vogels/pijlstormvogels/Duqm.htm
De Cory's:
http://www.rekel.nl/vogels/pijlstormvogels/Masirah.htm
Ook bereikbaar via http://www.rekel.nl/vogels/
Meer info over onze reizen naar Oman: http://www.rekel.nl/Oman
Vriendelijke groet,
Ruud Kampf
www.rekel.nl
rekel(AT)tref.nl
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Kees (C.J.) Camphuysen
Netherlands Institute for Sea Research (NIOZ)
Editor Ardea
P.O. Box 59, 1790 AB Den Burg, Texel, The Netherlands
+ 31 222369488 fax + 31 222319674
e-mail camphuys(AT)nioz.nl
home address:
CSR Consultancy
Ankerstraat 20, 1794 BJ Oosterend, Texel
+ 31 222318744 (tel/fax) e-mail kees.camphuysen(AT)wxs.nl
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Subject: A Cox's-like Sandpiper from Japan
From: Martin Reid <upupa(AT)AIRMAIL.NET>
Date: 30 Aug 2001 4:15am
Dear All,
I have been asked to forward this request to ID-F; I recall a recent(?)
discussion of a somewhat similar unusual-looking Pectoral-type in North
America - but can anyone point me to the forum/archive for the
discussion/photos?
"A juvenile "Cox's-like" sandpiper was discovered byis Haruhiko Asuka in
Shintonechou Ibaragi prefecture Japan.
http://203.174.72.114/vegae/COX/COX.html
http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~chyusan/species-gallery/nazoshigi4tai.htm
This "sharp-tailed-sized" sandpiper has long, black, slightly down-curved
bill. And its color and marks are similar to juvenile Pectoral sandpiper.
But I felt the marks are slightly weaker compared with typical Pectoral
sandpiper, especially in wing coverts and breast. I have only one photo of
Cox's sandpiper that was taken in Massachusetts USA. The "cox's-like" bird
looks similar to the Massachusetts bird, though primaries of the
"Cox's-like" look shorter than the Cox's in Massachusetts.
Of course I know usually Cox's sandpiper is considered as a hybrid now. But
I am looking for more photos of Cox's sandpiper.
Do you have or know any other photos of Cox's sandpiper?
And I would like to hear your comment about this bird.
Kind Regards
OsaoUjihara/Michiaki Ujihara
ujihara(AT)mpd.biglobe.ne.jp
"
Martin Reid
Fort Worth, Texas
upupa(AT)airmail.net
http://www.martinreid.com or http://www.cyberramp.net/~upupa
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Subject: Re: A Cox's-like Sandpiper from Japan
From: "Norman D.van Swelm" <Norman.vanswelm(AT)WXS.NL>
Date: 30 Aug 2001 9:26am
Martin wrote:>I have been asked to forward this request to ID-F; I recall a
recent(?)
>discussion of a somewhat similar unusual-looking Pectoral-type in North
>America - but can anyone point me to the forum/archive for the
>discussion/photos?<
As I recall there was an article in Dutch Birding in the ninetees. I just
heard from a friend who found tens of melanotus breeding as far west (or
east, depends on how you approach it) at Dikson, Taimyr. As a result of
which melanotus seems distributed over a much wider area than was previously
known. So could it be that there is geographical variation and that your
juv. Cox is in fact a juv. 'Western' melanotus?
Nice photo's, intriguing text!
Norman
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Subject: Mistery ... feather !
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Menotti=20Passarella?= <aster_men(AT)YAHOO.COM>
Date: 30 Aug 2001 5:03pm
Hi people !
A fiend of mine collected, last winter (between
november and february) the feather that is shown here:
http://www.geocities.com/aster_men/wingfea.jpg
You'll find the same photo as club picture on Yahoo!
BIRDING GULLS:
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/birdinggulls
Any idea about the bird owner of the feather ?
Cheers
Menotti Passarella
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Subject: Technical problems and the gull
From: Trevor Hardaker <trevor(AT)DHK.CO.ZA>
Date: 30 Aug 2001 11:21pm
Hi there,
The gremlins have been having a field day with us and we have been
experiencing a number of technical difficulties with our website as well as
our x(AT)zestforbirds.co.za email addresses in the last few days. If anyone has
tried to get through to us via these email addresses to discuss the possible
Heuglin's Gull in the eastern Cape or to want to book for a trip or for any
other reason, and we have not responded back to you within two days of your
email being sent, it probably means that we have never received your email
and it got lost somewhere in cyberspace!!! We do already know of a number of
email messages sent to us that have gone missing.
We are trying to resolve this problem as quickly as possible, but if there
are any of you out there that have been trying to get hold of us, please
forward your messages either to me at hardaker(AT)mweb.co.za or
trevor(AT)dhk.co.za or to John Graham at jmgraham(AT)iafrica.com. It's amazing how
much one relies on a computer and when something goes wrong, it can cause
real chaos...
Nevertheless, the messages on the gull that have managed to get through so
far have all pointed towards it almost certainly being a Heuglin's Gull. If
you agree (or have a different opinion), please let us know. The photos are
still available under "Recent Rarities" on our website at
www.zestforbirds.co.za
Sorry for any possible inconvenience that may have been caused due to our
technical problems and we look forward to hearing back from more of the gull
experts out there.
Kind Regards
Trevor
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Trevor Hardaker and John Graham
Cape Town, South Africa
ZEST for BIRDS
Website: http://www.zestforbirds.co.za
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