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| Subject | From | Date | Time |
| A juvenile Larus in March? | Floyd Hayes | Wed, 1 May 2002 | 2:53pm |
| Re: A juvenile Larus in March? | Bruce Mactavish | Wed, 1 May 2002 | 6:32pm |
| Re: A juvenile Larus in March? | Dick.newell | Wed, 1 May 2002 | 8:52pm |
| Re: A juvenile Larus in March ? | Peter Adriaens | Thu, 2 May 2002 | 3:47am |
| Couple of questions | KACastelein and DJLa | Thu, 2 May 2002 | 7:06am |
| Re: Couple of questions | John & Liz Walters | Thu, 2 May 2002 | 7:23am |
| Re: Couple of questions | Steven Mlodinow | Thu, 2 May 2002 | 11:08am |
| Re: Couple of questions | Joseph Morlan | Thu, 2 May 2002 | 12:13pm |
| Handbook to North American Birds | ian paulsen | Thu, 2 May 2002 | 2:19pm |
| QRY: Distinctive bill form shown by RN Stint? | JIm Barton | Thu, 2 May 2002 | 4:15pm |
| Dowitchers and Willow Flys | KACastelein and DJLa | Thu, 2 May 2002 | 10:25pm |
| flight call CD | Jeff McCoy | Thu, 2 May 2002 | 11:21pm |
| Re: A juvenile Larus in March ? | Martin Reid | Fri, 3 May 2002 | 6:22am |
| Re: flight call CD | Tony Leukering | Fri, 3 May 2002 | 7:26am |
| Re: A juvenile Larus in March ? | Nick Rossiter | Fri, 3 May 2002 | 10:12am |
| Beaman/ Madge book | ian paulsen | Fri, 3 May 2002 | 10:18am |
| MY QUESTION | ian paulsen | Fri, 3 May 2002 | 11:20am |
| Re: flight call CD | John C. Arvin | Fri, 3 May 2002 | 2:59pm |
| European & NA Field Guides | John Saba | Fri, 3 May 2002 | 7:11pm |
| Translation | Jean-Marc Lustrat | Sat, 4 May 2002 | 10:13am |
| Re: Translation | Michel Bertrand | Sat, 4 May 2002 | 10:56am |
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Subject: A juvenile Larus in March?
From: Floyd Hayes <floyd_hayes(AT)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 1 May 2002 2:53pm
I'm sorry to bore the non-larid-aficionados again but Alvaro Jaramillo
suggested last night that the photo of an assumed 1st-winter Lesser
Black-backed Gull here in Trinidad in March looks like a juvenile and
concluded "it has to be a southern hemisphere breeder, therefore a Kelp
Gull."
I've just uploaded scans of both sides of the gull along with zoomed in
images of the head, wings, and tertials at:
http://www.geocities.com/secaribbirds/ttmysterygull
There were four such 1st-year gulls present that day and it's frighteningly
easy to dismiss them all as LBBGs (some were very worn). Any thoughts from
those familiar (unlike me) with juvenile LBBG and KEGU? I'll post comments
anonymously unless you specify that you want to be identified with your
comments.
-Floyd
>Perhaps the more interesting observation I have is of the first winter bird
>photographed in March. If this photo is from March it can't be a Lesser
>Black-backed Gull. At that time the feathering would have had about 8-9
>months of wearing and bleaching and would not look this fresh and uniform.
>The bird pictured is a juvenile based on how fresh and crisp this bird it.
>Given that its a juvenile in March, it has to be a southern hemisphere
>breeder and therefore a Kelp Gull. In March its typical to see this plumage
>stage in Chile/Argentina for example. Please pass on these opinions to
>whoever you want.
>
>Alvaro Jaramillo
>chucao(AT)attbi.com
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Subject: Re: A juvenile Larus in March?
From: Bruce Mactavish <bruce.mactavish1(AT)NF.SYMPATICO.CA>
Date: 1 May 2002 6:32pm
A 1st winter Lesser Black-backed Gull-like gull with juvenile scapulars
in March could be a Lesser Black-backed Gull. There is a 1st year Lesser
Black-backed Gull in St. John's, Newfoundland that arrived October 2001
and is still present at the time of this writing. It retained 100%
juvenile scapulars well into March and probably through March. On April
3O 80% of the scaps were still juvenile. The bird was easily followed
through the winter because it lived at city pond stealing bread thrown
out to tame ducks. Perhaps the diet was nutrient deficient enough to
prevent moulting of scapulars. However, 1st winter Lesser Black-backed
Gulls, even the ones with a rich diet of human garbage, retain many
juvenile scapular into mid and late winter - much like smithsonianus.
Juvenile scapulars of Lesser Black-backed Gulls are normally fairly
uniform dark with a narrow, sharply defined pale fringe. The bird in
question shows pale internal markings on the scapulars. This contrast
could show up on 1st winter LBBG scapulars if the paler internal
markings encompassed by the darker anchor shape mark were bleached by
sunlight.
The head shape, the bill shape and colour, the lower neck streaking, the
primary projection - the over all jizz, is dead on for Lesser
Black-backed Gull.
Bruce Mactavish
St. John's, Newfoundland
Canada
bruce.mactavish1(AT)nf.sympatico.ca
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[mailto:BIRDWG01(AT)listserv.arizona.edu] On Behalf Of Floyd Hayes
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 7:23 PM
To: BIRDWG01(AT)listserv.arizona.edu
Subject: [BIRDWG01] A juvenile Larus in March?
I'm sorry to bore the non-larid-aficionados again but Alvaro Jaramillo
suggested last night that the photo of an assumed 1st-winter Lesser
Black-backed Gull here in Trinidad in March looks like a juvenile and
concluded "it has to be a southern hemisphere breeder, therefore a Kelp
Gull."
I've just uploaded scans of both sides of the gull along with zoomed in
images of the head, wings, and tertials at:
http://www.geocities.com/secaribbirds/ttmysterygull
There were four such 1st-year gulls present that day and it's
frighteningly
easy to dismiss them all as LBBGs (some were very worn). Any thoughts
from
those familiar (unlike me) with juvenile LBBG and KEGU? I'll post
comments
anonymously unless you specify that you want to be identified with your
comments.
-Floyd
>Perhaps the more interesting observation I have is of the first winter
bird
>photographed in March. If this photo is from March it can't be a Lesser
>Black-backed Gull. At that time the feathering would have had about 8-9
>months of wearing and bleaching and would not look this fresh and
uniform.
>The bird pictured is a juvenile based on how fresh and crisp this bird
it.
>Given that its a juvenile in March, it has to be a southern hemisphere
>breeder and therefore a Kelp Gull. In March its typical to see this
plumage
>stage in Chile/Argentina for example. Please pass on these opinions to
>whoever you want.
>
>Alvaro Jaramillo
>chucao(AT)attbi.com
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Subject: Re: A juvenile Larus in March?
From: "Dick.newell" <dick.newell(AT)macunlimited.net>
Date: 1 May 2002 8:52pm
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px;
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><FONT
face=Arial>Re:</FONT><BR><A class=autolink target=_blank
href="http://www.geocities.com/secaribbirds/ttmysterygull">http://www.geocities.com/secaribbirds/ttmysterygull</A><BR><BR>I
think the problem here is to decide between graellsii and atlantis. I don't
think the bird is a juvenile - many of its scapulars have obvious 2nd
generation double anchors. The pattern of these feathers is very unusual for
graellsii - they rarely have that much pale cream. Juvenile atlantis is (to
my eye) practically indistinguishable from graellsi, and I guess the problem
doesn't get much easier with 1st winters.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face="Courier New"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face="Courier New">Structurally, I
really don't see this bird as a Kelp Gull. It's shape is very like a
graellsii and probably atlantis too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face="Courier New"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face="Courier
New">Dick</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><br>
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Subject: Re: A juvenile Larus in March ?
From: Peter Adriaens <peter.adriaens(AT)dutchbirding.nl>
Date: 2 May 2002 3:47am
Hello,
while I am quite used to seeing Lesser Black-backed Gulls - a common
breeding bird over here -, this one immediately looks somewhat puzzling.
Its general impression, with a fresh plumage in March, and broad pale
internal markings in the feathers, is not quite what one would expect.I
certainly agree that this bird's plumage looks fresh (except for the
primaries), but this does not necessarily mean it is a juvenile. To me, at
least the lower scapulars do not appear to be juvenile, because of the
thin dark anchor pattern, as Dick pointed out. As for the upper scapulars,
if they are juvenile feathers, the amount of pale internal markings would
be strange (in fact, juvenile scapulars showing an anchor pattern are only
regularly seen in very few large gull species, such as Great Black-backed
Gull or northern "Argentatus" Herring Gull), and it would be unusual to
have only the upper ones retained, while the lower scapulars have been
replaced - normally the opposite is true.Looking into detail at the wingcoverts,
I notice that, on the right side
of the bird, the inner greater coverts look rather uniformly brown and
quite worn, indicating that they are retained juvenile feathers. On the
left side, however, the inner greater coverts are fresh, and show a
distinctly different pattern, such as thin dark barring. This, and the
broad pale internal markings (including subterminal markings on the
tertials) make me think that this bird has, in fact, replaced a lot of
wingcoverts and tertials - which explains why they look fresh.Such an amount of
replaced wingcoverts is not typical of Lesser
Black-backed Gull in March, though not impossible if the bird spent all
winter far south.It is quite OK for Atlantis, but not for Kelp Gull at this time
of the
year, I think.
Best regards,
Peter Adriaens
Belgium
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Subject: Couple of questions
From: KACastelein and DJLauten <birdsong(AT)HARBORSIDE.COM>
Date: 2 May 2002 7:06am
1) Can anyone comment on whether Willow Flycatchers are ever found in
winter in the lower US? Are Willow Flycatchers extremely rare during
this season, or are some occasionally found in Nov-Dec-Jan? If so
where? Is there any pattern of lingering birds into the early winter in
this species?
2) Is it possible to ID dowitchers at all using the bill size and shape?
Is this character useful in seperating these species or not? I always
thought that there was too much overlap to distinguish between the
species and the bill was not a useful character. Anyone use this method
to seperate dowitchers in the field?
Thanks
Dave Lauten
Bandon OR
birdsong(AT)harborside.com
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Subject: Re: Couple of questions
From: John & Liz Walters <lizandjohn(AT)EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 2 May 2002 7:23am
Dave Lauten wrote:
> Can anyone comment on whether Willow Flycatchers are ever found in
> winter in the lower US? Are Willow Flycatchers extremely rare during
> this season, or are some occasionally found in Nov-Dec-Jan? If so
> where? Is there any pattern of lingering birds into the early winter in
> this species?
According to Small's "California Birds," Willow Flycatcher has a few
winter records along the California coast from San Francisco to Los
Angeles.
John Walters
Bonita, CA
lizandjohn(AT)earthlink.net
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Subject: Re: Couple of questions
From: Steven Mlodinow <SGMlod(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 2 May 2002 11:08am
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Greetings All
re: Willow Fly in US during winter:
Monson and Phillips (1981) list no winter records for AZ.
Rosenberg et al. (1991) give no winter records for the lower Colorado Riv
Valley
Lehman (1994) has a date range from 15 May to 27 Oct for Santa Barbara Co, CA
Hamilton and Willick (1996) give a range of 3 May-16 Nov for Orange Co, CA
Unitt (1984) gives a range of 2 May-11 Oct for San Diego Co, CA
Garrett and Dunn (1981) give one winter record for Southern California:
Arcadia, Los Angeles Co., 2 Nov 1979 -29 April 1980
Stevenson and Anderson (1994) and Robertson and Woolfenden (1992) list no
winter records for FL. I can't find any TX records in various sources, but I
don't have Olberholser, and Lowery (1974) lists on winter winter records for
LA.
Obviously, here in WA, we have no winter records! Records range from late Apr
through late Sep. The scattering of late Apr/early May records from WA during
the last decade is most intriguing, given how these dates precede arrival
dates from SoCal (though interestingly, Garrett and Dunn state that Willow
Fly arrived in CA during late Apr in the past, when the species was more
numerous as a breeder there). These early records from WA include singing
birds. The bulk off Willow Flys don't arrive in WA until the last few days of
May.
Cheers
Steven Mlodinow
Everett WA
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Subject: Re: Couple of questions
From: Joseph Morlan <jmorlan(AT)CCSF.ORG>
Date: 2 May 2002 12:13pm
On Thu, 2 May 2002 14:08:10 EDT, Steven Mlodinow <SGMlod(AT)AOL.COM>
wrote:
>re: Willow Fly in US during winter:
In Northern California:
Crescent City, Del Norte Co. Nov 1-26, 1981
Freedom, Santa Cruz Co. Jan 1-2, 1986
"Birds of Northern California" McCaskie et al. 1988.
--
Joseph Morlan, Pacifica, CA 94044: mailto:jmorlan(AT)ccsf.org
California Birding & new rarities: http://fog.ccsf.org/~jmorlan/
California Bird Records Committee: http://www.wfo-cbrc.org/cbrc/
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Subject: Handbook to North American Birds
From: ian paulsen <ipaulsen(AT)KRL.ORG>
Date: 2 May 2002 2:19pm
HI ALL:
I was recently looking through a copy of:" The Handbook of Bird
identification for Europe and the western Palearctic" by Beaman and Madge
(1998). I was wondering how come we here in North America (north of Mexico
anyway) DON'T have anything like this?? Are we content with the Sibley
guide??
sincerely
Ian Paulsen
Bainbridge Island, WA, USA
ipaulsen(AT)krl.org
A.K.A.: "Birdbooker"
"Rallidae all the way"
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Subject: QRY: Distinctive bill form shown by RN Stint?
From: JIm Barton <redwing1986(AT)ATTBI.COM>
Date: 2 May 2002 4:15pm
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Hello. The StintFan website =
hompage2.nifty.com.stints/calidris/photocalidris.html presents three =
photographs of RNST ..calidris ruficollis.. with a bill shape which I =
would judge to be unique among stints/peep. This is NOT to say the the =
bill of RNST is >generally<< unique in shape; only that the >particular< =
form presented under "adult winter" (C) January 28, 1999; "adult =
summer" (E) May 10, 1997; and "juvenile" (A) September 13, 1998, is =
quite possibly unique. In the form to which I refer, the bill is nearly =
of uniform thickness throughout. Importantly, the tip is highly =
rounded, giving most of the bill the shape of a test-tube, with parallel =
sides and a pronouncedly rounded base. =20
To my eye, the bill does not swell at the tip (e.g., as in =
Semi-palmated SP ..C. pusilla..
Your opinions are respectfully solicited.
Yours,
Jim Barton
redwing1986(AT)attbi.com
brdbk(AT)aol.com
Cambridge, MA
Proact...campaigning for birds and their habitats,=20
before it's too late
www.proactnow.org
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Subject: Dowitchers and Willow Flys
From: KACastelein and DJLauten <birdsong(AT)HARBORSIDE.COM>
Date: 2 May 2002 10:25pm
Folks,
Concerning dowitchers: Just wanted to comment that I did not mean to
suggest that I am attempting to ID dowitchers based on bill length (I
don't, there are plenty of other ways). A comment was made recently to
this effect, and I was checking to see if the consensus is that iding
dowitchers based on bill size is not a practical approach.
Concerning Willow Flycatchers: a bird thought to be this species was
reported from Coos Bay, Coos Cty, southwestern Oregon on 25 Nov 2001.
That struck me as very late to say the least. Seems that lingering
Willow Flycatchers are one of the lesser likely Empids to be doing so.
The records reported back to me include one from Del Norte Cty N
California thru 26 Nov. That's about 2 hours south of Coos Bay on the
highway.
Thanks for the input,
Dave Lauten
Bandon OR
birdsong(AT)harborside.com
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Subject: flight call CD
From: Jeff McCoy <jeffmccoy(AT)fwi.com>
Date: 2 May 2002 11:21pm
Does anyone know if O'brien and Evan's CD on flight calls has been released,
and if so where it is available?
--
Jeff McCoy
Columbia City, Indiana USA
jeffmccoy(AT)fwi.com
mobile# (260)615-1911
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myVine.com - Unlimited Internet as low as $12.95/mo
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Subject: Re: A juvenile Larus in March ?
From: Martin Reid <upupa(AT)AIRMAIL.NET>
Date: 3 May 2002 6:22am
Dear all,
I want to endorse the comments of Bruce, Dick, and Peter , in that in
almost all respects this bird looks good for an LBBG-type (bill
proportions, head shape and streaking, very short tail/long primaries). I
feel that structurally it is far from a typical Kelp Gull (esp. bill shape,
tail length, and while closer to Atlantis YLGU, the very short tail and
rather slender bill is a perfect match for LBBG-types and rather atypical
of all the YLGU forms.
Note that the primaries are extremely faded and worn (they are usually very
black, and apparently resistant to such wear/fading in LBBGs) - I feel that
this rules out any notion that the bird is a recently-fledged juvenile.
The only thing at all odd for 1B LBBG on this bird is its apparent stage of
molt: many (but not quite all) of the scaps/mantle feathers seem to be
2nd-gen., and while their pattern is on the pale side for LBBG, I don't
think it is out of range; we are not used to seeing 2nd-gen wing-covert
feathers on 1B LBBGs, as we expect this tract to be molted in the
"summertime" along with other tracts that create the first-summer"
appearance. Thanks to the pioneering work of the Muusses, we now know that
a few juv LBBGs seems to replace some wing coverts even while still being
attended by their parents; a quick look at these mega-early replacement
2nd-gen coverts shows a pattern fairly similar to that of the Caribbean
mystery bird. Clearly the mystery bird's coverts feathers look too fresh
to have been replaced at the nesting grounds - but assuming there is a
physiological reason for this individual to have replaced them in, say Feb,
then their pattern looks pretty good for LBBG.
Lastly, let's not forget that there is a LBBG-type that regularly replaces
many of its 1st-gen wing-coverts in Feb/March: heuglini. I'm saying that
the mystery bird is a heuglini - I'm just pointing out that a strategy of
Feb-March covert replacement is evident in a LBBG-type that winters in
different environment than most graellsii, so it is not much of a stretch
to conclude that as graellsii/intermedius invades a similar wintering
environment to that of heuglini (Caribbean/NE South America), it will also
adopt this molt strategy.
Cheers,
Martin
Martin Reid
Fort Worth, Texas
upupa(AT)airmail.net
http://www.martinreid.com
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Subject: Re: flight call CD
From: Tony Leukering <GreatGrayO(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 3 May 2002 7:26am
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Hi all:
The CD is not yet out, but Evans and O'Brien are getting very close. My
understanding is that it is at the publisher, so, hopefully, we'll see it in
time for counting nocturnal migrants this fall.
Later,
Tony Leukering
Brighton, CO
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Subject: Re: A juvenile Larus in March ?
From: Nick Rossiter <nrossiter(AT)SUPANET.COM>
Date: 3 May 2002 10:12am
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I would be slightly worried if I were the recorder for Trinidad, =
building up a collection of LBBG, a number of which are far from =
classical. In the first-year bird under debate, the problems of early =
moult are resolved if the gull is considered to be atlantis. The bill =
might be rather thin for a southern atlantis but northern atlantis can =
show such bills. Northern atlantis moult a bit later than southern ones =
but are still ahead of LBBG.=20
I thought a second-winter in December shown earlier on the Trinidad site =
(recorded 2 December 2001) which was identified as an LBBG, looked much =
more like southern atlantis with its chunky bill with steep culmen angle =
and prominent gonydal angle. The chest is also bold and, with the usual =
caveats about mantle colour in photographs, the mantle shade and colour =
(blue-grey) also appear right for atlantis. The pale head with a =
pronounced eye patch is also spot-on.=20
The likelihood of atlantis occurring in Trinidad at some time must be =
fairly high because the NE trade winds flow straight from the Canaries =
to the West Indies.=20
Interestingly some recent DNA studies have differentiated southern =
atlantis from northern atlantis, atlantis (particularly the southern =
form) from michahellis and indicated that atlantis pre-dates michahellis =
(Liebers, Helbig and de Knijff, Molecular Ecology 10 2447-2462, 2001). =20
Cheers ... Nick
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Subject: Beaman/ Madge book
From: ian paulsen <ipaulsen(AT)KRL.ORG>
Date: 3 May 2002 10:18am
HI ALL:
In case anyone is interested in reading a review of the "Handbook of bird
identification for Europe and the Western Palearctic" by Beaman/Madge goto
Birding Vol 31(5): 475-77 (october 1999).
From the lack of responses to my question I guess general birders ARE
content with the Sibley guide for identification of North American Birds??
Ian Paulsen
Bainbridge Island, WA, USA
ipaulsen(AT)krl.org
A.K.A.: "Birdbooker"
"Rallidae all the way"
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Subject: MY QUESTION
From: ian paulsen <ipaulsen(AT)KRL.ORG>
Date: 3 May 2002 11:20am
HI ALL:
To clarify my question: After seeing the Beaman/Madge book recently and
buying the Collins European guide I still feel that bird identification
guides for North America are still behind what the Europeans are
doing. Europe and North America (north of Mexico)_ have similar numbers of
birds but they have managed to produce two really good bird guide to cover
the avifauna of Europe. Although very good I don't think the current North
American guides measure up. Why can't we have a guide up to the European
standards??
sincerely
Ian Paulsen
Bainbridge Island, WA, USA
ipaulsen(AT)krl.org
A.K.A.: "Birdbooker"
"Rallidae all the way"
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Subject: Re: flight call CD
From: "John C. Arvin" <JohnCArvin(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 3 May 2002 2:59pm
The flight call CD has not been released yet, but is in the production
process currently. It should available in a matter of months.
jca
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Subject: European & NA Field Guides
From: John Saba <sabaj(AT)theriver.com>
Date: 3 May 2002 7:11pm
Ian Paulsen asks:
"Why can't we have a guide up to the European standards??"
Why not give us some of the salient differences? In what ways do you think
north American guides fail to measure up?
---
John Saba
sabaj(AT)theriver.com
http://personal.riverusers.com/~sabaj/
(520) 327-3643
Tucson, Arizona USA
Birding is a Grand Adventure!
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Subject: Translation
From: Jean-Marc Lustrat <jm_lustrat(AT)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 4 May 2002 10:13am
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Subject: Re: Translation
From: Michel Bertrand <bertrmi(AT)COLBA.NET>
Date: 4 May 2002 10:56am
Jean-Marc Lustrat a écrit :
> I search a list of american birds with french names.
> Can you help me.
________________________
Jean-Marc,
J'ai trois solutions pour toi.
Pour les noms français de tous les oiseaux de l'Amérique du Nord dans un
guide à jour, voir la version française du guide de la National Geographic
Society qui vient tout juste de paraître (*Guide d'identidication des
oiseaux de l'Amérique du Nord* 3e édition, 2002, Broquet Éditeur, ISBN
2-89000-551-8).
Pour une liste trilingue (français, latin, anglais) des espèces déjà
observées au Québec (plus de 500 noms en incluant les exotiques) avec le
statut de chacune en prime, voir :
http://www.oiseauxqc.org/listann.jsp
Pour les noms français de tous les oiseaux du monde :
http://membres.lycos.fr/listoiseauxmonde/present.html
Salutations amicales...
MICHEL BERTRAND
Sainte-Julie, Qc
bertrmi(AT)colba.net
L'acupuncture, c'est la vraie médecine de pointe
quand l'acupuncteur n'a pas mauvaise alêne !
-- Moa
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