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ID-FRONTIERS for July 1-6, 2002

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 Subject From Date  Time 
 Slender-billed Curlew: a flurry of new literature  Angus Wilson   Mon, 1 Jul 2002  6:51pm 
 Slender-billed Curlew: a flurry of recent literature  Angus Wilson   Mon, 1 Jul 2002  7:00pm 
 Which Sharp-tailed Sparrow?  Dave DeReamus   Mon, 1 Jul 2002  11:46pm 
 Re: Which Sharp-tailed Sparrow?  Michel Bertrand   Tue, 2 Jul 2002  9:34am 
 New Mexico Bird Finding Guide  Jerry R. Oldenettel  Wed, 3 Jul 2002  8:03am 
 Re: Little-like Egret photos  Menotti Passarella   Wed, 3 Jul 2002  1:19pm 
 Rappel / Reminder  Michel Bertrand   Thu, 4 Jul 2002  7:48am 
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[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Slender-billed Curlew: a flurry of new literature From: Angus Wilson <wilsoa02(AT)ENDEAVOR.MED.NYU.EDU> Date: 1 Jul 2002 6:51pm **** Slender-billed Curlew: a view from the edge of extinction **** As we all know, the Slender-billed Curlew (Numenius tenuirostris) hangs perilously on the brink of extinction. The recent acceptance of Britain's first record, based on a first-summer bird discovered by Tim Cleeves in 1998, provides new hope for the survival of the species. This immature provides proof that other adults exist (at least they did during the summer of 1997) and bred successfully. With luck the lastest record will stimulate fresh searches in remote areas discover new wintering and stop-over localities. Candidate sites in North Africa have been identified and there is room for hope. I thought ID- Frontier subscribers might be interested to know of several new articles centered around the British record - at times highly controversial - and prospects for the discovery of more birds. (1) Cleeves, T. (2002) Slender-billed Curlew in Northumberland: new to Britain and Ireland. British Birds 95(6): 272-278. (2) Steele, J. and Vangeluwe, D. (2002) From the Rarities Committee's files: The Slender-billed Curlew at Druridge Bay, Northumberland, in 1998. British Birds 95(6): 279-299. (3) Bradshaw, C. (2002) Commentary, on behalf of the British Birds Rarities Committee. British Birds 95(6): 299. (4) Meek, E. (2002) Commentary, on behalf of the British Ornithologist Union Records Committe. British Birds 95(6): 299. (5) Papps, S. (2002) Last of the Curlews. Birdwatch Issue 119 (May ): 22-25. (6) Van der Have, T.M., Keijl, G.O., Mansoori, J. and Morozov, V.V. (2001) Searching for Slender-billed Curlews in Iran, Januari-Februari 2000. WIWO (Foundation Working Group International Wader and Waterfowl Research) - report 72. (7) Gallo-Orsi, U. and Boere, G. C. (2001) The Slender-billed Curlew Numenius tenuirostris: threats and conservation. Acta Ornithologica 36: 73-78. (8) Gretton, A., Yurlov, A. K., Boere, G. C. (2002) Where does the Slender- billed Curlew nest, and what future does it have? British Birds 95(7): 334-344. (9) McGhie, H. A. (2002) The eggs of the Slender-billed Curlew at The Manchester Museum: a unique specimen? British Birds 95(7): 359-360. I'd love to hear of additional articles that I might have missed and of course, timely news of the next live sighting! The simple fact that the latest sighting of Slender-billed Curlew involves a young bird provide real food for optimism. Along this vein, it might be prudent for birders in North and South America to build and circulate a clear picture of how to identify first-summer Eskimo Curlews in the hope of a similar discovery..................... Cheers, Angus Wilson New York City ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Slender-billed Curlew: a flurry of recent literature From: Angus Wilson <wilsoa02(AT)ENDEAVOR.MED.NYU.EDU> Date: 1 Jul 2002 7:00pm **** Slender-billed Curlew: a view from the edge of extinction **** As we all know, the Slender-billed Curlew (Numenius tenuirostris) hangs perilously on the brink of extinction. The recent acceptance of Britain's first record, based on a first-summer bird discovered by Tim Cleeves in 1998, provides new hope for the survival of the species. This immature provides proof that other adults exist (at least they did during the summer of 1997) and bred successfully. With luck the lastest record will stimulate fresh searches in remote areas discover new wintering and stop-over localities. Candidate sites in North Africa have been identified and there is room for hope. I thought ID- Frontier subscribers might be interested to know of several new articles centered around the British record - at times highly controversial - and prospects for the discovery of more birds. (1) Cleeves, T. (2002) Slender-billed Curlew in Northumberland: new to Britain and Ireland. British Birds 95(6): 272-278. (2) Steele, J. and Vangeluwe, D. (2002) From the Rarities Committee's files: The Slender-billed Curlew at Druridge Bay, Northumberland, in 1998. British Birds 95(6): 279-299. (3) Bradshaw, C. (2002) Commentary, on behalf of the British Birds Rarities Committee. British Birds 95(6): 299. (4) Meek, E. (2002) Commentary, on behalf of the British Ornithologist Union Records Committe. British Birds 95(6): 299. (5) Papps, S. (2002) Last of the Curlews. Birdwatch Issue 119 (May ): 22-25. (6) Van der Have, T.M., Keijl, G.O., Mansoori, J. and Morozov, V.V. (2001) Searching for Slender-billed Curlews in Iran, Januari-Februari 2000. WIWO (Foundation Working Group International Wader and Waterfowl Research) - report 72. (7) Gallo-Orsi, U. and Boere, G. C. (2001) The Slender-billed Curlew Numenius tenuirostris: threats and conservation. Acta Ornithologica 36: 73-78. (8) Gretton, A., Yurlov, A. K., Boere, G. C. (2002) Where does the Slender- billed Curlew nest, and what future does it have? British Birds 95(7): 334-344. (9) McGhie, H. A. (2002) The eggs of the Slender-billed Curlew at The Manchester Museum: a unique specimen? British Birds 95(7): 359-360. I'd love to hear of additional articles that I might have missed and of course, timely news of the next live sighting! The simple fact that the latest sighting of Slender-billed Curlew involves a young bird provide real food for optimism. Along this vein, it might be prudent for birders in North and South America to build and circulate a clear picture of how to identify first-summer Eskimo Curlews in the hope of a similar discovery..................... Cheers, Angus Wilson New York City ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Which Sharp-tailed Sparrow? From: Dave DeReamus <becard(AT)FAST.NET> Date: 1 Jul 2002 11:46pm Hi all, I was wondering if some of you "LBJ" experts would take a look at the five photos found at the following addresses http://pa.audubon.org/photos/sharp-tailedsparrow-1.jpg http://pa.audubon.org/photos/sharp-tailedsparrow-2.jpg http://pa.audubon.org/photos/sharp-tailedsparrow-3.jpg http://pa.audubon.org/photos/sharp-tailedsparrow-4.jpg http://pa.audubon.org/photos/sharp-tailedsparrow-5.jpg and respond with your opinions as to whether this bird is a Nelson's or Saltmarsh Sharp-tailed Sparrow. These Sharp-tailed Sparrow photos were taken in east-central PA at Lake Minsi, Northampton County way back on 11/12/96. The bird, originally found by Brian and Tiffany Hardiman, was netted in cattails along the lakeshore and photographed. Photos 1 through 4 were taken by Rick Wiltraut and Photo 5 was taken by Jason Horn. Jason's photo is obviously overexposed, but it's the only photo we have showing a frontal view of the bird. Unfortunately, no measurements were taken of the bird at the time. Since Sharp-tailed Sparrow has been split, the big question remains whether this bird is a Saltmarsh or a Nelson's. The bird shows some characteristics of BOTH species. I checked out David Sibley's article on Sharp-tailed Sparrows in the June 1996 issue of 'Birding' and still can't make up my mind whether this bird is a Saltmarsh or a boldly-marked 'A. n. nelsoni' Nelson's Sharp-tailed like the ones shown in Figures 14 and 15 in the article. Considering the fact that I have limited experience with Sharp-taileds and am going by what I've seen and read, here's my thoughts on the photos: 1) The bill looks right for Nelson's (the more expected species of the two). It seems shorter in length and doesn't seem to have the flat-headed profile of a Saltmarsh. 2) Photos 2 through 5 show the throat to be somewhat whiter in color than the orange submoustachial stripe which is separated by a pretty bold dark whisker line. This seems to favor Saltmarsh. 3) The border between the breast and the belly seems to be fairly faint and irregular in Photo 5 (favoring Saltmarsh), yet there IS some contrast between the orange on the breast and the whitish belly (favoring Nelson's). 4) Photo 2 seems to show darker markings around the eye which would point towards Saltmarsh. 5) The photos show strong, distinct streaking of the breast and flanks (favoring Saltmarsh), although Photo 3 shows some blurry streaking along the sides. 6) Photos 1 through 4 show what appears to be fine streaking on the rear supercilium (favoring Saltmarsh), or is this just separation between the feathers? 7) Photos 1 and 2 show the grayish sides of the neck. Obviously, I would appreciate any opinions and comments. I'm especially interested in identifying this bird since there is only one accepted record of Saltmarsh Sharp-tailed for PA. Thanks to Carmen Santasania, PABIRDS listowner, and PA Audubon for putting the photos on their Webpage since I'm not allowed to attach the photos to the post. If anyone would like the scanned photos sent to them as an E-mail attachment (a little more convenient than flipping back and forth between screens), just let me know and I'll send them directly to you. Thanks in advance for your help. Good birding, Dave DeReamus Compiler of the 'Eastern PA Birdline' Easton, PA becard(AT)fast.net
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Which Sharp-tailed Sparrow? From: Michel Bertrand <bertrmi(AT)COLBA.NET> Date: 2 Jul 2002 9:34am Dave DeReamus wrote : > I was wondering if some of you "LBJ" experts would take > a look at the five photos found at the following addresses > (...) and respond with your opinions as to whether this bird > is a Nelson's or Saltmarsh Sharp-tailed Sparrow. (...) _____________________________ I'm not claiming to be an expert on those species, but here is my first guess. I have observed a lot of Nelson's of the subvirgatus subspecies, but have almost no field experience with the four other taxa (the more western subspecies of Nelson's and the two subspecies of Saltmarsh). I have been especially interested by that split because I have been asked to correct the French translation of the Sokes eastern guide just after the split has been published and had to make suggestions to the publisher to correct the page on those species. The subvirgatus subspecies was not placed in the right species in the first English edition (I hope it has been corrected now) and the field marks were needing more precision. I did work on those corrections, including those needed to the maps, for the French version. So, I have studied then all what I have been able to find about those taxa and have continued to be interested to them since that time. Your bird is surely not a subvirgatus. It would need to be very more blurred and grayish, especially on its sides, to be of the Maritimes' and Northern Maine's subspecies. Encountering your bird in the field, I would have called it a Saltmarsh Sharp-tailed Sparrow because : 1) the relatively dark, sharp and bold striking on the flanks, 2) the fact that the strikes are still dark, sharp and bold in the middle of the breast as it is shown on photo 5, 3) the intense rich color of the supercilium and malar band, 4) the fact that the color on the supercilium and matar band is brighter than the background color on the breast sides and the flanks, 5) the little streaks in the supercilium from the eye to the back end what is especially neat on photos 2, 3 and 4 and still visible on photo 5, 6) the chin seems relatively white on photo 2 and 4 (but less on photo 5). There would be no doubt if we do compare the photos only to the Beadle's illustrations in Rising's Guide to the Identification and Natural History of the Sparrows of the United States and Canada, but I have used other references too. It would have been interesting to know about the song, but I presume your bird was not singing in November (or was it December, it depends upon you used the English usual MM/DD/YY style or the DD/MM/YY style in writing 11/12/96). There is some introgression in Maine between those two "species". So a first generation hybrid or a bird of a following generation is always possible. But, to be frank, I don't think I would have considered seriously an hybrid having seen in the field what I'm at first seeing on the photos. Be happy... MICHEL BERTRAND Sainte-Julie, Qc bertrmi(AT)colba.net N'oubliez pas d'identifier l'oiseau mystère : Don't forget to identify the mystery bird at : http://www.quebecoiseaux.qc.ca/HTML/Defi.html
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: New Mexico Bird Finding Guide From: "Jerry R. Oldenettel" <Borealowl(AT)AOL.COM> Date: 3 Jul 2002 8:03am To update Pat's message, the 3rd edition of the New Mexico Bird Finging Guide is now available. Additional details can be found on the NMOS web page: http://mvar.nmsu.edu/nmos Jerry R. Oldenettel, NMOS Treasurer 499 Farm-to-market Road Socorro, NM 87801 borealowl(AT)aol.com
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Little-like Egret photos From: Menotti Passarella <aster_men(AT)YAHOO.COM> Date: 3 Jul 2002 1:19pm Hi all from Europe. I live in an area where Little Egret is amongst the commonest water birds. According to me the bird lacks any jizz of LE, and fit well into Snowy Egret (particularly that sharp angle to the neck showing the typical "crest" of SE). Best wishes Menotti Passarella Po Delta, South of Venice, NE Italy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/birdinggulls/ --- Angus Wilson <wilsoa02(AT)ENDEAVOR.MED.NYU.EDU> wrote: > I took a quick look at Judy Donaldson's photos of > the Hornsby Bend egret: > http://home.austin.rr.com/scottmagic/egret.html > > I'm pretty confident this is not a Little Egret and > see little reason (excuse > the pun) to invoke a hybrid. The bright yellow > facial skin stikes me as perfect > for Snowy Egret and rules out most populations of > Little Egret. The bill also > looks typical for Snowy and lacks the heavier, more > dagger-like quality of > Little Egrets. Sorry I can't be more encouraging! > > As we have heard before on ID-Frontiers, the > presence of longer, thicker plumes > amid the shorter, fluffier plumes is unusual, but > not unheard of, in Snowy > Egrets. These photos provide valuable documentation > of this and it is great to > see them posted. > > Angus Wilson > New York City > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Rappel / Reminder From: Michel Bertrand <bertrmi(AT)COLBA.NET> Date: 4 Jul 2002 7:48am ------------ Je vous rappelle que le 5 juillet est la date limite pour répondre au Défi 23 de QuébecOiseaux, si vous ne l'avez pas encore fait. L'adresse du site fait partie de ma signature. ------------ Just a reminder that QuébecOiseaux quiz 23 will end on July 5th. So it is time to send me your answer if you have not already sent it. The website's address is in my signature. See the message I sent on June 11th for the details in English (you only have to send me the identification of the mystery bird). Bonne chance... / Good luck... MICHEL BERTRAND Sainte-Julie, Qc bertrmi(AT)colba.net N'oubliez pas d'identifier l'oiseau mystère : Don't forget to identify the mystery bird at : http://www.quebecoiseaux.qc.ca/HTML/Defi.html
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