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| Re: Gull with yellow legs in the Netherlands | B. Aarts | Sun, 21 Jul 2002 | 7:16am |
| Interesting Sandpiper | KACastelein and DJLa | Sun, 21 Jul 2002 | 1:52pm |
| Re: Mystery gull - Jamaica Bay | Peter Adriaens | Sun, 21 Jul 2002 | 2:58pm |
| Re: Interesting Sandpiper | Matthew P. Garvey 99 | Sun, 21 Jul 2002 | 4:20pm |
| Re: Interesting Sandpiper - photos posted | Graham Etherington | Mon, 22 Jul 2002 | 7:08am |
| feet-projection - Am. Golden Plover | Koen Verbanck | Mon, 22 Jul 2002 | 12:23pm |
| Re: feet-projection - Am. Golden Plover | Koen Verbanck | Mon, 22 Jul 2002 | 1:20pm |
| Abberant sandpiper plumage | Jeff Wilson | Tue, 23 Jul 2002 | 5:59am |
| undertail coverts American/Pacific GP | Jim Barton | Tue, 23 Jul 2002 | 2:04pm |
| Re: Abberant sandpiper plumage | Graham Etherington | Wed, 24 Jul 2002 | 2:17am |
| Jack Snipe {Lymnocryptes minimus} | Bill Elrick | Wed, 24 Jul 2002 | 5:40am |
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Subject: Re: Gull with yellow legs in the Netherlands
From: "B. Aarts" <baarts(AT)SCI.KUN.NL>
Date: 21 Jul 2002 7:16am
Hi all,
I received this very interesting mail from Grzegorz Neubauer (Poland) about
the yellow-legged Herring Gull depicted in
<http://members.tripod.com/vogelinfolimburg/pages/rs_zilvermeeuw1.htm> etc.
It turns out that the color of the legs of this gull changes frequently
from yellow to pink and vice versa.
Regards,
Bram Aarts
_________________________
From: Grzegorz Neubauer
Subject: RED p352 identification
I have looked at nice photos of P352. I know this bird from many readings,
done in recent years by me or friends. Below you will find all ringreadings
I have in my database (I suppose you did not get nothing like a bird
history; there's a part of it) and which may be useful for you:
readings:
19 and 26th Oct 2000, read in Torun rubbish dump, PL, 53.02N, 18.36E by
M.Maniakowski,
19th Jan 2001 read in Konin rubbish dump, PL, 52.13N, 18.16E by me and
Magda Zagalska,
9 and 19th Oct 2001 read in Torun again by me,
and most interesting probably: read at nest 30th April 2002 in its breeding
colony in Wloclawek (Lower Vistula), 52.29N, 19.08E. Paired with argentatus
male, nest 97, chicks failed to alive.
I worked this colony 2002 breeding season. Although I put a nest-trap few
times on this nest, both birds were too clever to go inside, and I did not
managed to trap any of the two. P352 is a female argentatus for me (sex
confirmed by the ringing data from '93, when it was trapped by Marek
Zielinski). Yellow legs (colour even more intensive than it is on the
photos) are common among breeding argentatus here, and I had many birds
observed and trapped later, which showed different intensity of legs colour
day by day. It depends on the light conditions, it is hormonally levelled
and depends also on the diet (see even very old literature) ! To make it
more tricky, I must tell you, that both birds (so P352 also!) in this
season were fleshy-pink legged !!!! P352 was seen this spring sitting on
the nest, standing, flying, or meeting with its partner. And in all cases
it was identified as argentatus.
And some notes on morphology. Although P10 tip is pure white, what fits
well with cachinnans (but also very well with argentatus!), the tongue on
the inner web is not visible here (on cachinnans should be white or
whitish, may be also in argentatus!). But on P9 you can see restricted
white mirror, clearly bordered with black on the outer web. In the other
words white mirror do not reach outer edge of the feather, what should be
present in classical cachinnans. Such a pattern on P9 is however sometimes
present within pure cachinnans (my data from breeding grounds on the Azov
Sea), but it is very very rare (not more that 3-4% of birds and only
females). 'Classical' bird should have huge, white mirror, 'cutting' black
on P9 very clearly and reaching both edges of the feather. This feature
practically excludes a real cachinnans. Iris colour is pale yellow, what
also occurs within cachinnans females, but not more than a half of breeding
birds ('classically', it should be dark for a good cachinnans). And the
last thing is the bill. Although seem to be quite delicate (gonys rather
weakly marked), it looks a little too compact (too high and too short - as
in argentatus or michahellis) for classical cachinnans. Cachinnans females
should have really very slim, thin and long bill, with gonys almost always
not visible from a distance (males can have huge, but always very long bill).
To summarize, this bird not almost fits within cachinnans features and such
identification cannot be confirmed by me.
With best wishes,
Grzegorz Neubauer
Department of Vertebrate Zoology
Institute of Ecology and Environment Protection
Nicolas Copernicus University
ul. Gagarina 9
87-100 Torun, Poland
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Subject: Interesting Sandpiper
From: KACastelein and DJLauten <birdsong(AT)HARBORSIDE.COM>
Date: 21 Jul 2002 1:52pm
Folks,
A very interesting sandpiper was photographed this weekend at Bandon
Marsh NWR in Bandon Coos Cty Oregon. I suspect the bird is a Least
Sandpiper, but it has a very unusual color variation that I have not
seen before. The bird was found and photo'd by Gary Shaffer of Medford
OR. I do not have a web page nor do I have an address that the photos
are posted on yet. I do have two digital photos that I would be more
than happy to send to anyone who wishes to see them for now. To give
you a brief idea of the color variation, everything looks normal for a
Least except the belly is entirely buffy colored instead of white. One
photo has the bird next to two other Leasts and the difference in belly
color is striking. Has anyone seen Leasts like this before?
Dave Lauten
Bandon OR
birdsong(AT)harborside.com
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Subject: Re: Mystery gull - Jamaica Bay
From: Peter Adriaens <peter.adriaens(AT)dutchbirding.nl>
Date: 21 Jul 2002 2:58pm
Hello,
my thoughts on this interesting bird:
- Not a pure Laughing Gull in any case.
- On the other hand, the bird seems to favour the company of Laughing
Gulls, and its mantle colour and bill shape approach that species.- The
resemblance to Black-headed Gull is obvious, especially in the head
pattern, head shape, and bare parts colour.
Perhaps the white "mirrors" seem confusing, but, looking at them closely,
one can see that they are rather large, long, and - on P10 - pointed, the
white colour running upwards along the shaft. This is also visible on the
underside of the wingtip in some of the photographs. Usually, real mirrors
in gulls tend to have more of a square upper border.Therefore, I think that the
white pattern on the outermost primaries of
this bird should be regarded as remnants of the white leading edge of
Black-headed Gull, not as real mirrors.
My guess would be that this is a hybrid Laughing Gull x Black-headed Gull.
Last year, there was a record of an adult summer Laughing Gull spending
the summer in a colony of Black-headed Gulls in Germany, near the Dutch
border.
Best regards,
Peter Adriaens
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Subject: Re: Interesting Sandpiper
From: "Matthew P. Garvey 99" <Matthew.P.Garvey.99(AT)ALUM.DARTMOUTH.ORG>
Date: 21 Jul 2002 4:20pm
I saw a least like that at Jamaica Bay, NY three summmers
ago. Basically, every feather that would be white on a
typical least was buff-colored, creating a very dark
impression overall. It was quite beautiful, actually.
Since the bird fit the description of a least in every
manner except the buff feathers, I guessed--with some
consultation--it was "just" a melanistic least.
Matt Garvey
Boston, MA
On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:55:59 -0700 KACastelein and
DJLauten <birdsong(AT)HARBORSIDE.COM> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> A very interesting sandpiper was photographed this
> weekend at Bandon Marsh NWR in Bandon Coos Cty Oregon.
> I suspect the bird is a Least Sandpiper, but it has a
> very unusual color variation that I have not seen
> before. The bird was found and photo'd by Gary Shaffer
> of Medford OR. I do not have a web page nor do I have
> an address that the photos are posted on yet. I do have
> two digital photos that I would be more than happy to
> send to anyone who wishes to see them for now. To give
> you a brief idea of the color variation, everything
> looks normal for a Least except the belly is entirely
> buffy colored instead of white. One photo has the bird
> next to two other Leasts and the difference in belly
> color is striking. Has anyone seen Leasts like this
> before?
>
> Dave Lauten
> Bandon OR
> birdsong(AT)harborside.com
>
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Subject: Re: Interesting Sandpiper - photos posted
From: Graham Etherington <etherington(AT)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 22 Jul 2002 7:08am
Hi all,
Dave Lauten has emailed me the 2 photos of the sandpiper and I have posted
them on my website. You can view them at:
http://groups.msn.com/grahametherington/interestingsandpiper.msnw
All the best,
Graham Etherington
Norwich, England
>From: KACastelein and DJLauten <birdsong(AT)HARBORSIDE.COM>
>Reply-To: KACastelein and DJLauten <birdsong(AT)HARBORSIDE.COM>
>To: BIRDWG01(AT)listserv.arizona.edu
>Subject: [BIRDWG01] Interesting Sandpiper
>Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:55:59 -0700
>
>Folks,
>
>A very interesting sandpiper was photographed this weekend at Bandon
>Marsh NWR in Bandon Coos Cty Oregon. I suspect the bird is a Least
>Sandpiper, but it has a very unusual color variation that I have not
>seen before. The bird was found and photo'd by Gary Shaffer of Medford
>OR. I do not have a web page nor do I have an address that the photos
>are posted on yet. I do have two digital photos that I would be more
>than happy to send to anyone who wishes to see them for now. To give
>you a brief idea of the color variation, everything looks normal for a
>Least except the belly is entirely buffy colored instead of white. One
>photo has the bird next to two other Leasts and the difference in belly
>color is striking. Has anyone seen Leasts like this before?
>
>Dave Lauten
>Bandon OR
>birdsong(AT)harborside.com
_________________________________________________________________
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Subject: feet-projection - Am. Golden Plover
From: Koen Verbanck <verbanckk(AT)SKYNET.BE>
Date: 22 Jul 2002 12:23pm
Hi all,
I would like to inform if there is anybody who can give me more information
on the occurrence of feet- projection beyond the tail on American Golden
Plovers. It is widely known that this feature is rather referring to Asiatic
Golden Plover, but can occasionally be shown by American Golden Plover. Can
anybody comment with extensive field-experience with Am. Golden Plover how
'frequently' (or probably better 'infrequently') this feature can be shown
and/or is there anybody who can provide photographic evidence of this or
knows of such pictures on the internet?
Thanks in advance,
Koen Verbanck
(Belgium)
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Subject: Re: feet-projection - Am. Golden Plover
From: Koen Verbanck <verbanckk(AT)SKYNET.BE>
Date: 22 Jul 2002 1:20pm
I forget to mention it explicitly, but I was ofcourse referring to
feet-projection in flight.
Greetings,
Koen Verbanck
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to inform if there is anybody who can give me more
information
> on the occurrence of feet- projection beyond the tail on American Golden
> Plovers. It is widely known that this feature is rather referring to
Asiatic
> Golden Plover, but can occasionally be shown by American Golden Plover.
Can
> anybody comment with extensive field-experience with Am. Golden Plover how
> 'frequently' (or probably better 'infrequently') this feature can be shown
> and/or is there anybody who can provide photographic evidence of this or
> knows of such pictures on the internet?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Koen Verbanck
> (Belgium)
>
>
>
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Subject: Abberant sandpiper plumage
From: Jeff Wilson <OLCOOT1(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 23 Jul 2002 5:59am
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July 23, 2002
These photos of the Least Sandpiper bring to mind 2 different Semipalmated
Sandpipers I found about a month apart here in Memphis in the fall of 2000.
As you know the white belly on the Semipalmated is just about as white as you
can get and is a good hint at garnering one from of a flock of peeps. We get
thousands of Semipalmated through here and I glean through them every year
looking for the rare stint. On the July shorebird count last year we had over
3000 Semis and in 2000 I was surprised to find a very nervous Semipalmated
flushed with color like your Least but in a slightly more brown tone. The
bird only stayed one day and no photos could be taken due to distance. About
a month later I found another individual flushed with the same tone but not
quite as dark as the first.
This bird stayed several days and both birds were viewed by others. The
consensus was that is was not a stain like I have seen applied to peeps for
field identification purposes. The best I could come up with was maybe a form
of Erythrism, which is an excess of reddish-brown pigment and rare in birds.
This wash also extended on to the feather edgings on the rest of the back
feathers.
I could forward a few photos if you would like to post them with the Least
sandpiper photos.
Also this weekend while looking through the shorebirds I found a Reeve which
was great but also came across an aberrant plumage on a Pectoral Sandpiper.
I've seen partial albino and leucistic shorebirds but never one where the
buff color and edgings to all the normally colored feathers were pure white.
This really made for an unusual looking "ghost" of a Pectoral Sandpiper.
Good Birding!!!
Jeff R. Wilson
OL' COOT / TLBA
Bartlett Tenn.
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Subject: undertail coverts American/Pacific GP
From: Jim Barton <redwing1986(AT)ATTBI.COM>
Date: 23 Jul 2002 2:04pm
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Hello. Some authorities hold that black undertail coverts are =
diagnostic of American Golden Plover ..P. dominica.. in full alternate =
plumage. As evidence to the contrary, I respectfully refer this list to =
the following URL
www.birdingzeeland.nl
` Click "Foto's" in the menu. =20
The bird portrayed certainly looks like fulva, with a lateral white =
stripe, and with long tibia. The relationships between the primaries, =
tertials and tail are very unclear from the murky photo =20
Yours,
Jim Barton
redwing1986(AT)attbi.com
Cambridge, MA
US Coordinator Proact in the Americas
Campaigning for birds and their habitats before it's too late
www.proactnow.org
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Subject: Re: Abberant sandpiper plumage
From: Graham Etherington <etherington(AT)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 24 Jul 2002 2:17am
Jeff and all,
The abberant Semi-p Sand from TN and the Least Sand from OR can now both be
seen at:
http://groups.msn.com/grahametherington/interestingsandpiper.msnw
The Least Sand photo has been lightened slightly for clarity, but still
vividly shows how buff this bird is.
Good Birding,
Graham Etherington
Norwich, England
>From: OLCOOT1(AT)aol.com
>To: birdsong(AT)harborside.com, BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
>CC: etherington(AT)HOTMAIL.COM
>Subject: Abberant sandpiper plumage
>Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:59:11 EDT
>
>July 23, 2002
>
>These photos of the Least Sandpiper bring to mind 2 different Semipalmated
>Sandpipers I found about a month apart here in Memphis in the fall of 2000.
>As you know the white belly on the Semipalmated is just about as white as
>you
>can get and is a good hint at garnering one from of a flock of peeps. We
>get
>thousands of Semipalmated through here and I glean through them every year
>looking for the rare stint. On the July shorebird count last year we had
>over
>3000 Semis and in 2000 I was surprised to find a very nervous Semipalmated
>flushed with color like your Least but in a slightly more brown tone. The
>bird only stayed one day and no photos could be taken due to distance.
>About
>a month later I found another individual flushed with the same tone but not
>quite as dark as the first.
>
>This bird stayed several days and both birds were viewed by others. The
>consensus was that is was not a stain like I have seen applied to peeps for
>field identification purposes. The best I could come up with was maybe a
>form
>of Erythrism, which is an excess of reddish-brown pigment and rare in
>birds.
>This wash also extended on to the feather edgings on the rest of the back
>feathers.
>
>I could forward a few photos if you would like to post them with the Least
>sandpiper photos.
>
>Also this weekend while looking through the shorebirds I found a Reeve
>which
>was great but also came across an aberrant plumage on a Pectoral Sandpiper.
>I've seen partial albino and leucistic shorebirds but never one where the
>buff color and edgings to all the normally colored feathers were pure
>white.
>This really made for an unusual looking "ghost" of a Pectoral Sandpiper.
>
>Good Birding!!!
>
>Jeff R. Wilson
>OL' COOT / TLBA
>Bartlett Tenn.
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Subject: Jack Snipe {Lymnocryptes minimus}
From: Bill Elrick <belrick(AT)optonline.net>
Date: 24 Jul 2002 5:40am
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Hi,
I managed to have photos of a Jack Snipe {Lymnocryptes minimus} hosted
by a friend.
http://swtglasgow.homestead.com/jack_snipe.html
No prolonged attempt of an age study at the time of capture and I had
the impression there were no certain ageing criteria, or it may have
been concern at holding the bird too long.
I thought at first glance it could be a bird in its first spring {SY}
Can anyone give an insight into the age? There is a comments page setup
on the web site or you can send them direct to me.
emailbelrick(AT)optonline.net
This Bird was caught in Scotland March 2002.
There are some photos of members of the Clyde Ringing group dragging the
field.
Bill Elrick
NJ USA
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I managed to have
photos
of a Jack Snipe {Lymnocryptes minimus} hosted by a
friend.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><a
href="http://swtglasgow.homestead.com/jack_snipe.html">http://swtglasgow.homestead.com/jack_snipe.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>No prolonged
attempt
of an age study at the time of capture and I had the impression there were no
certain ageing criteria, or it may have been concern at holding the bird too
long.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I thought at first glance it could be a bird in its first
spring {SY}<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Can anyone give an insight into the age? There is a comments
page setup on the web site or you can send them direct to me.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>email</span></font></span><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><a
href="mailto:belrick(AT)optonline.net">belrick(AT)optonline.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>This Bird was
caught
in </span></font><st1:country-region><st1:place><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>Scotland</span></font></st1:place></st1:country-region><font
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Subject: Common Eiders with scapular sails
From: Dick Newell <dick.newell(AT)MACUNLIMITED.NET>
Date: 24 Jul 2002 11:00am
Drake King Eider (Somateria spectabilis) and Spectacled Eider (Somateria
fischeri) have pointed structures on the scapulars called "sails". While in
Spitsbergen in early July, many of the drake Common Eiders (S. Mollissima
borealis) also showed these prominent structures (e.g. see:
http://www.magikcircle.com/birds/image.asp?title_id=751 )
I cannot find any written reference to this and I can only find a hint of
them in a photo in Vol 1 of the Audubon Society Master Guide to Birding
(page 185) and in Plate 40 of Wildfowl (Steve Madge and Hilary Burn) (page
104). Both of these illustrate the NE American race dresseri .
Do all Common Eiders have this feature to some extent, with it being
particularly noticeable in borealis?
Dick Newell
PS I have looked through The Handbook, BWP, Collins Guide, HBI, various
American guides and Wildfowl of the World (photoguide).
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Subject: Skua quiz with a difference
From: Dick Newell <dick.newell(AT)MACUNLIMITED.NET>
Date: 24 Jul 2002 2:34pm
This quiz involves the 3 birds here:
http://www.magikcircle.com/birds/image.asp?title_id=574
The difference between this quiz and others is that we have DNA for 2 of
these birds, the Scilly and Porthcawl skuas, and so we hope that in the
coming weeks there will be a definitive answer. The 3rd bird, the Dorset
Skua is being considered by BBRC as a South Polar, but there is no DNA for
this bird.
We recently wrote an article about one of these birds, the Scilly Skua,
here:
http://www.surfbirds.com/mb/Features/skua-identification.html
This has produced a minimal response. Such is everyone's lack of confidence
in skua ID that it seems few people will venture to commit.
Remember that there is no accepted record for South Polar Skua in western
Europe, and no accepted record for Brown Skua in the North Atlantic.
While we are waiting for the DNA results, people may like to venture an Id
for these birds, I'll keep a tally and hopefully we will eventually know who
is right (at least for 2 of them!).
Dick Newell
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Subject: Re: Common Eiders with scapular sails
From: "Norman D.van Swelm" <Norman.vanswelm(AT)WXS.NL>
Date: 24 Jul 2002 5:09pm
Dick Newall wrote:>the scapulars called "sails". While in
>Spitsbergen in early July, many of the drake Common Eiders (S. Mollissima
>borealis) also showed these prominent structures (e.g. see:
>http://www.magikcircle.com/birds/image.asp?title_id=751 )
>particularly noticeable in borealis?<
I cannot answer your question about the "sails" but am I right that the bill
of your male Eider is relatively short and therefore typical for borealis?
Furthermore I like to congratulate you with the Greenland Dunlin C.a.arctica
(the 2nd I have seen from Svalbard) as well as the Greenland Ringed Plover
(tundra yes but psammodroma not tundrae!). What did you give the bear?
Vodka?
Cheers, Norman
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Subject: Common Eiders with scapular sails
From: EDDIE CHAPMAN <echapman(AT)ONLINE.NO>
Date: 24 Jul 2002 11:35pm
Norman wrote:
>I cannot answer your question about the "sails" but am I right that the
>bill of your male Eider is relatively short and therefore typical for
>borealis?
Not only that Norman, but it is the wrong colour. The nominate race show a
more olive/grey colour. As for the "sails" I have just checked all my male
Common Eider pictures (about 60 slides). All of these pictures are taken in
southern Norway, most around Bergen and Stavanger, none are showing "sails"
In the book Svalbards Birds (in Norwegian only) it states that the Svalbard
Eider population is considered to be borealis. The book gives a detailed
account of the species but "sails" are not mentioned in the section about
plumage description. Looking at Dick's picture, I was surprised at the size
of the "sails". I would have thought that anything as prominent as that
would be a major factor in the correct identification of the races and be
mentioned in more books.
All the best,
Eddie Chapman. Voss. Norway.
Bird Watching In Norway: http://hjem.sol.no/echapman/?noframes
Birding Holidays - Guide Service - Norwegian Rare Bird Alert
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Subject: Re: Common Eiders with scapular sails
From: "Norman D.van Swelm" <Norman.vanswelm(AT)WXS.NL>
Date: 25 Jul 2002 4:58am
>Norman wrote:
>>I cannot answer your question about the "sails" but am I right that the
>>bill of your male Eider is relatively short and therefore typical for
>>borealis?
>
Eddie wrote:>Not only that Norman, but it is the wrong colour. The nominate
race show a
>more olive/grey colour. As for the "sails" I have just checked all my male
>Common Eider pictures (about 60 slides). All of these pictures are taken in
>southern Norway, most around Bergen and Stavanger, none are showing "sails"
>In the book Svalbards Birds (in Norwegian only) it states that the Svalbard
>Eider population is considered to be borealis. The book gives a detailed
>account of the species but "sails" are not mentioned in the section about
>plumage description. Looking at Dick's picture, I was surprised at the size
>of the "sails". I would have thought that anything as prominent as that
>would be a major factor in the correct identification of the races and be
>mentioned in more books.<
Lars Jonsson paints male European Eider with "sails", in Killian Mullarney's
painting it is hard to see whereas all Eiders painted by David Sibley show
prominent "sails". What about female borealis? I had a female Eider last
winter with an extremely short bill, is that sufficient enough to say it
belongs to borealis?
All the best, Norman
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Subject: Common Eider with scapular sails
From: EDDIE CHAPMAN <echapman(AT)ONLINE.NO>
Date: 25 Jul 2002 10:55am
Norman wrote:
What about female borealis? I had a female Eider last
winter with an extremely short bill, is that sufficient enough to say it
belongs to borealis?
*************************************************
I agree with Norman, race identification of female Eiders gives cause for
headaches. One can never rule out the possibility of overlap regarding bill
size between the races. Did you have the chance to compare plumage colour
with other female Eiders? According to Norderhaug female borealis are
lighter in colour, but even here light and reflection from the water can
play tricks on the eye.
Regards,
Eddie Chapman. Voss, Norway.
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Subject: Odd Guillemot on the Pribilofs
From: "George L. Armistead" <gla(AT)SAS.UPENN.EDU>
Date: 26 Jul 2002 1:34am
Hello All,
On 7/6/02 here on St. Paul Island of the Pribilofs, AK I saw a
Guillemot that puzzled me. When I saw the bird I knew right away that
I was looking at a Guillemot and probably a Pigeon (Blacks are only
rare visitors, usually in the winter and spring). This bird was about
120 m away below a cliff I was on, in decent light, and right next to a
Tufted Puffin. It was all dark save just a little bit of white at the
edges of some of wing coverts. This gave me pause, as I had seen dozens
of Pigeon Guillemots over the course of this spring and the white wing
patch was always pretty easily seen and this bird was not too distant
and I was viewing it through a Leica 20-60 zoom at about 30x on a
relatively calm sea. The bird raised its wings once during our ~5 mins
of observation and showed dark grayish underwings. I knew to be on the
lookout for Spectacled Guillemot but could see this bird was not of
that species because it did have a little white in the upper wing
coverts and lacked spectacles. Because this bird appeared so different
from the other birds I'd seen this spring I began looking to other
possibilities to explain away its overall darkness, but the bird was
was clearly a guillemot. It was undergoing some molt in the body.
While it was overwhelmingly dark it did have the occasional white
dimple here and there around the body and head leading me to believe
that perhaps this overall dark color was b/c of molt. Finally we left
the spot as the group was ready see some other parts of the island.
Later that night I looked in Gaston and Jones's 'The Auks', curious
about what I had seen. There I saw the Cepphus columba snowi (Kuril
Islands ssp.) illustration and this bird looked like a dead ringer for
the one I had observed earlier in the evening. Being from the east
coast, Pigeon Guillemot is not a bird I have a long history with so I
wonder... can North American Pigeon Guillemots approach C.c.snowi in
appearance?
Best,
-George
George L. Armistead
georgearmistead(AT)hotmail.com
TDX/St. Paul Island Tour
St. Paul, AK
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Subject: Seeking Canadian records of Dark Morph
Broad-winged Hawk
From: Jim Barton <redwing1986(AT)ATTBI.COM>
Date: 26 Jul 2002 8:37am
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Friends, since early May this year, I have been gathering records =
on sightings of Dark-morph Broad-winged Hawks. I have sent out a draft =
preliminary report to contributors for comment and correction. I am =
close to finishing a preliminary report for general distribution, but I =
have only been told about only Canadian record, that of a bird seen =
April 27 this year in Ontario. I would like the preliminary report to =
include more Canadian sightings, on the assumption that data is =
available. =20
Data should be available on Alberta, whence the entire dark =
population reportedly originates, though the bird is apparently a rare =
sight even there. Has anyone kept records of Alberta sightings? Can =
anyone help with other provinces? I'd be particularly interested in =
reports from Ontario and Quebec, since I know of spring records from MA, =
NY and Whitefish Point, MI. =20
Thanks=20
Jim Barton
redwing1986(AT)attbi.com
Cambridge, MA
US Coordinator Proact in the Americas
Campaigning for birds and their habitats before it's too late
www.proactnow.org
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Subject: Mountain Chickadee
From: Ted Floyd <tedfloyd(AT)aba.org>
Date: 26 Jul 2002 7:10pm
Hello, birders.
Check out this Mountain Chickadee:
http://www.gbbo.org/chickadee.jpg
To which subspecies does it belong?
I'll explain my reason for asking, plus I'll provide details
on the sighting, after I get a few answers. But I wouldn't
want to bias anybody's analysis of this record, by saying
when and where it was found.
Thank you.
----------------------------
Ted Floyd
Editor,
Birding
American Birding Association
P.O. Box 7974
Boulder, Colorado 80306-7974
303-444-6365
tedfloyd(AT)aba.org
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