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Subject: Re: Unidentified Hummingbird
From: John Idzikowski <idzikoj(AT)UWM.EDU>
Date: 2 Jul 2003 7:09am
I've gotten 2 responses from AZ experts and a couple of others who gave up
from CA- both are stumped as well including Sheri Williamson; we are
assuming a deformity (or hybrid), perhaps of a Broad-billed. I searched
through Mexican species and the closest candidate is Green-breasted
Mango.With the high season coming to Patagonia perhaps this bird will be
better documented.
John Idzikowski, Milwaukee
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Subject: Unidentified Hummingbird
From: John Idzikowski <idzikoj AT UWM.EDU>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:57:32 -0500
I would appreciate some comments on this bird-
http://my.execpc.com/~idzikoj/HUMMPATONS.HTM
John Idzikowski, Milwaukee
John Idzikowski, Milwaukee
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Subject: Re: Unidentified Hummingbird
From: John Idzikowski <idzikoj(AT)UWM.EDU>
Date: 3 Jul 2003 6:59am
Some have had problems viewing the page for this bird; do not use the
original URL, try this one-
http://my.execpc.com/~idzikoj/HUMMPATONS.HTM
----- Original Message -----
From: John Idzikowski <idzikoj(AT)uwm.edu>
To: <birdwG01(AT)listserv.arizona.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:10 AM
Subject: Re:Unidentified Hummingbird
> I've gotten 2 responses from AZ experts and a couple of others who gave up
> from CA- both are stumped as well including Sheri Williamson; we are
> assuming a deformity (or hybrid), perhaps of a Broad-billed. I searched
> through Mexican species and the closest candidate is Green-breasted
> Mango.With the high season coming to Patagonia perhaps this bird will be
> better documented.
>
> John Idzikowski, Milwaukee
> ______________________
>
> Subject: Unidentified Hummingbird
> From: John Idzikowski <idzikoj AT UWM.EDU>
> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:57:32 -0500
>
> I would appreciate some comments on this bird-
>
> http://my.execpc.com/~idzikoj/HUMMPATONS.HTM
>
> John Idzikowski, Milwaukee
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: Unidentified Hummingbird
From: Floyd Hayes <floyd_hayes(AT)YAHOO.COM>
Date: 4 Jul 2003 6:49am
I suspect the hummingbird is a juvenile, which would
explain the short bill, whitish patches in the
plumage, and growing tail feathers. I haven't a clue
which species it is, but juveniles can be notoriously
difficult to identify.
-Floyd
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Subject: hummingbird ID help
From: Cliff and Lisa Weisse <october(AT)IDA.NET>
Date: 4 Jul 2003 12:48pm
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I have a female hummingbird visiting my feeder that I'm having trouble =
figuring out. I've posted decent photos of the bird in question at =
www.octoberweb.com/birds/hummer. Thanks in advance if you can help.
Cliff Weisse
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Subject: Re: hummingbird ID help
From: Les Chibana <les(AT)BIRDNUTZ.COM>
Date: 4 Jul 2003 3:33pm
Cliff,
It would be really useful if you noted the location of this bird. It
may provide
some background for proper guessing. :-)
Well, I'll give it a swing. I don't have enough experience with
Lucifer, Broad-
tailed and Calliope, so I'm relying on the wonderful field guides we
now have.
The apparent rufous wash on the flanks is suggestive of a Lucifer,
Calliope
or Selasphorus hummingbird.
- Lucifer is eliminated by lack of strongly curved bill, lack of rufous
at base
of outer tail feathers, and facial pattern.
- Calliope seems close, but the tail seems too long as does the neck.
Posture and attitude might account for the neck length.
- The paleness of the rufous wash, and lack of rufous at the base of the
outer tail feathers seems to rule out Rufous and Allen's.
This seems to be a good match for a Broad-tailed Hummingbird in the
paleness of flank wash and tail length. About the only feature that's
missing seems to be the rufous at the base of the tail feathers.
Sibley's guide and Howell's hummingbird guide mention an eye-ring for
Broad-tailed but while Sibley illustrates it, this feature is not
apparent in
the photos in Howell's. Anyone have field or banding experience with
this
fieldmark?
Les Chibana, Palo Alto CA
On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 12:48 PM, Cliff and Lisa Weisse wrote:
> I have a female hummingbird visiting my feeder that I'm having trouble
> figuring out. I've posted decent photos of the bird in question at
> www.octoberweb.com/birds/hummer. Thanks in advance if you can help.
>
> Cliff Weisse
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Subject: Re: Hummingbird ID help
From: Cliff and Lisa Weisse <october(AT)IDA.NET>
Date: 4 Jul 2003 9:51pm
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I added another photo of the hummingbird to the web page. It was taken =
this evening just before dark. The bird has one rufous feather on its =
back behind the right wing. That feather is visible on the top photo on =
the page. It also has a white tip to the outermost primary on the left =
side. =20
http://octoberweb.com/birds/hummer/
Thanks for the responses I've received so far. =20
Cliff
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Subject: Re: hummingbird ID help
From: Cliff and Lisa Weisse <october(AT)IDA.NET>
Date: 5 Jul 2003 12:45pm
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Before posting the photo of the primaries last evening I had several =
responses favoring an ID of Ruby-throated and one for hatch year =
Black-chinned as well as several for Broad-tailed. It's interesting =
that the broad-tailed camp seemed to consist of westerners and the =
Rubythroat camp of easterners. Since posting the photo of the primaries =
almost all responses I've received, some of which were in response to my =
post on Humnet, have suggested that the bird is a Broad-tailed. Upon =
re-examination of the original photos from 7/1 I think I can see rufous =
on the edges of at least two rectrices. I guess that's the final piece =
of the puzzle.
The photos were taken in Island Park, Idaho on 7/1 and 7/4/2003. Sorry =
to hold out on the location but I didn't want to prejudice anyone's =
opinion. Thanks again to those who took the time to reply.
Cliff
Cliff and Lisa Weisse
Island Park, ID
october(AT)ida.net
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