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| Subject | From | Date | Time |
| Kelp Gull in Colorado | Floyd Hayes | Sun, 21 Sep 2003 | 6:46am |
| Another consideration for the possible Colorado
Kelp Gull | Jane Kostenko | Sun, 21 Sep 2003 | 11:40am |
| Re: Another consideration for the possible
Colorado Kelp Gull | Rob Parsons | Sun, 21 Sep 2003 | 1:05pm |
| Re: Another consideration for the possible
Colorado Kelp Gull | Tony Gallucci | Sun, 21 Sep 2003 | 1:44pm |
| Re: Another consideration for the possible
Colorado Kelp Gull | Tony Leukering | Sun, 21 Sep 2003 | 8:13pm |
| Re: "Kelp Gull" in Colorado | Gary Rosenberg | Sun, 21 Sep 2003 | 9:17pm |
| Re: Another consideration for the possible
Colorado Kelp Gull | Nicholas Block | Sun, 21 Sep 2003 | 10:02pm |
| Re: Another consideration for the possible
Colorado Kelp Gull | Nick Komar | Mon, 22 Sep 2003 | 8:45am |
| Fw: gulls (fwd) | Harry Lehto | Mon, 22 Sep 2003 | 10:45am |
| A request for slides for "Gulls of the Americas" | Will Russell | Mon, 22 Sep 2003 | 8:24pm |
| gulls once more from Klaus. | Harry Lehto | Tue, 23 Sep 2003 | 10:37pm |
| Nashville or Orange-crowned Warbler? | Ian Paulsen | Wed, 24 Sep 2003 | 10:16am |
| Re: Nashville or Orange-crowned Warbler? | Lethaby, Nick | Wed, 24 Sep 2003 | 10:29am |
| Re: Nashville or Orange-crowned Warbler? | Michel Bertrand | Wed, 24 Sep 2003 | 11:54am |
| Re: Nashville or Orange-crowned Warbler? | Mike Patterson | Wed, 24 Sep 2003 | 12:10pm |
| Re: Nashville or Orange-crowned Warbler? | Bill Elrick | Wed, 24 Sep 2003 | 12:16pm |
| yellowtailed yellowthroat | Mike Patterson | Wed, 24 Sep 2003 | 12:19pm |
| 3rd Spanish Masked Booby at Bay of Biscay photos
and text online | =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ricar | Wed, 24 Sep 2003 | 4:16pm |
| Re: Nashville or Orange-crowned Warbler? | Bruce Deuel | Wed, 24 Sep 2003 | 8:16pm |
| Re: Nashville or Orange-crowned Warbler? | B & C Yutzy | Wed, 24 Sep 2003 | 9:52pm |
| Re: 3rd Spanish Masked Booby at Bay of Biscay
photos and text online | Graham Etherington | Thu, 25 Sep 2003 | 2:20am |
| RFI: captive breeding of Laridae | =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pierr | Mon, 29 Sep 2003 | 6:54am |
| Ibis | David Vander Pluym | Mon, 29 Sep 2003 | 11:04pm |
| ID of Wilson's and Common Snipes | Martin Reid | Tue, 30 Sep 2003 | 4:15am |
| Re: Ibis | David Vander Pluym | Tue, 30 Sep 2003 | 2:10pm |
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Subject: Kelp Gull in Colorado
From: Floyd Hayes <floyd_hayes(AT)YAHOO.COM>
Date: 21 Sep 2003 6:46am
I'm looking at the Kelp Gull photos (especially the
underwing pattern) from CO posted at
http://schmoker.org/BirdPics/KEGU.html, and am also
looking at an illustration of underwing patterns of
hybrid Herring X Kelp Gulls and other gulls posted at
http://losbird.org/los_news_181_98july.htm (surely an
article of interest to any larophile who hasn't seen
it). Could the bird be of hybrid origin, perhaps a
backcross to a Kelp?
-Floyd
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Subject: Another consideration for the possible Colorado
Kelp Gull
From: Jane Kostenko <Jane.Kostenko(AT)CO.SAINT-MARYS.MD.US>
Date: 21 Sep 2003 11:40am
Tyler Bell and I have followed the discussion on COBirds about the
possible Kelp Gull with great interest, since we've spent literally
hundreds of hours with the KEGU here in St. Mary's County, Maryland,
over the last 4+ years. While we understand the problems of variable
lighting, trueness of color in transmitted photos, etc, the one
unescapable field mark that bothers us for the ID of KEGU for this bird
is the size and shape of the bill.
The bill of a KEGU is *not* massive, as is the case both in photos
we've seen of the CO gull and in reading posts people have made about
it.
We've seen no discussion about the possibility of this being a
Yellow-footed Gull, which, we feel, would match nicely for this gull
(though the legs don't really seem quite bright yellow enough). Has
anyone seen a clear picture of the eye posted (specifically, the
orbital)? The KEGU's is a bright red orbital, while the YFGU's is bright
yellow.
The tertial crescent and the trailing edge of the primaries and
secondaries also don't look wide/broad enough, but we're willing to
concede that the molt it's in might have altered that feature.
Jane Kostenko
jane.kostenko(AT)co.saint-marys.md.us
California, Maryland
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Subject: Re: Another consideration for the possible
Colorado Kelp Gull
From: Rob Parsons <rparsons(AT)ICENTER.NET>
Date: 21 Sep 2003 1:05pm
Hi all,
I think Jane Kostenko's suggestion of Yellow-footed Gull should be followed
up on. Yellow-footed Gull *does* show a tendency to vagrancy. For
example, a large dark-mantled gull with dull yellow legs was photographed
in Texas by Ron Weeks about 5 years ago. Although it looked quite like an
adult at a cursory look, a more intense scrutiny showed it was not quite
adult.
The bird in Weeks's series of photos shared several features with the
Colorado bird. Both were large dark mantled birds with dull yellow legs
and large bills.
Weeks posted his photos to a web page and asked for comments. There were
quite a few responses favoring Kelp or Kelp X Herring hybrid. (There was
also at least one vote for a Lesser Black-backed.) After a bit of time had
passed, discussion subsided. I later e-mailed Greg Lasley and asked if any
consensus had been reached and he told me the Texas committee had accepted
it as a Yellow-footed Gull. If I recall correctly, it was a first state
record.
Note the Texas bird was accepted as a Yellow-footed Gull in spite of the
legs being "not quite bright enough" which seems to be a concern to Jane.
I don't have the web site address for Weeks's photos any longer (assuming
it's still extant), but I do have at least one or two bitmap images of that
bird that I could send to interested parties. One, in particular, was so
attractive that I made it into my computer's wallpaper! (A nice standing
shot, accompanied by Royal & Sandwich Terns.)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not definitely saying the Colorado bird is
definitely a Yellow-footed Gull OR a Kelp Gull. I have no experience with
the latter and very little with the former. (One sighting of one bird does
NOT an expert make!) I have, however, looked at a large number of photos
of both species. I would like to hear from anyone who does have experience
with these two species. (Is Alvaro Jaramillo out there?)
Cheers,
Rob Parsons
Winnipeg, MB
CANADA
rparsons(AT)icenter.net
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Subject: Re: Another consideration for the possible
Colorado Kelp Gull
From: Tony Gallucci <hurricanetg(AT)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 21 Sep 2003 1:44pm
Greg Lasley has photos of the Ron Weeks bird and a short discussion on his
web page at:
http://www.greglasley.net/yfgull.html
tony gallucci
hunt, kerr county, texas
http://flying.to/KerrFauna
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Subject: Re: Another consideration for the possible
Colorado Kelp Gull
From: Tony Leukering <GreatGrayOwl(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 21 Sep 2003 8:13pm
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Hi all:
Having been one of the primary re-identifiers of the CO Kelp Gull, I thought
that I would respond to Jane's suggestion.
While Chris Wood and I considered all possible dark-mantled gulls in the ID
of this bird, Kelp Gull was really the only thing that we could accept as
correct. I have studied 100s of Yellow-footed Gulls in Puerto Penasco, Mexico,
and
that species is not an option. Yellow-footed, though dark-mantled, is not
black-mantled, which the CO bird is -- their is virtually no contrast from
upper
wing coverts to primary tips. Though there were, obviously, no Great
Black-backs for comparison, the bird looked to me even too black for that taxon,
and
I have looked at 10s of 1000s of Great Black-backs in MI, ON, NY, NJ, MA, etc.
The only other ID that we seriously considered after studying the bird for a
couple hours was that of Kelp x Herring. However, there were absolutely no
features shown by the bird that suggested any HERG genes - the mantle was still
black, there was virtually no white in the outer primaries (tips or mirrors,
though there is a vague mirror on P10 on the left wing), and the legs were
yellow to yellow-green.
If the Surfbirds pictures are the only ones that everyone has seen, I hope
that you will peruse Bill Schmoker's website:
<A
HREF="http://www.schmoker.org/BirdPics/KEGU.html">http://www.schmoker.org/BirdPics/KEGU.html</A>.
Also there, is my discussion of the bird and its identity, which might help
some observers. Of course, my extensive previous experience with KEGU consists
of exactly zero, so we should all keep that in mind. However, I have spent
1000s of hours studying gulls and I have seen all other ID contenders in fairly
large quantities.
Sincerely,
Tony Leukering
Brighton, CO
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Subject: Re: "Kelp Gull" in Colorado
From: Gary Rosenberg <ghrosenberg(AT)COMCAST.NET>
Date: 21 Sep 2003 9:17pm
Hello Gull Enthusiasts (of which I am not one!)
I have been following the thread on the possible Kelp Gull in Colorado
with interest, particularly the discussion on mantle color. I am a firm
believer that mantle color on these large "dark-backed" gulls can vary
in "blackness". Whether we are dealing with true color variation,
unknown hybridization, or just how our eyes perceive the actual colors
black versus blackish-gray in different lighting is very difficult to
sort out. My experience in Alaska with Slaty-backed Gulls, having seen
100-150 over 18 years, is that some look very black, and some don't
look very much darker than Vega Hering Gulls, particularly when the two
species are out on ice! I was intrigued by Tony's statement that the
Colorado bird was simply too black for Yellow-footed Gull, of which
"he" had seen and studied hundreds. My discussions with Chris Benesh
were similar (his photos show Yellow-footed Gull as being a noticeable
shade lighter, with distinct contrast between the mantle and the
primaries. On the other hand, my photos show more variation in mantle
color of Yellow-footed Gull (photos taken at Rocky Point December
1996). The first photo in the list below was the Arizona bird
photographed at Lake Powell. Photos, I agree, are difficult to tell
true darkness of the mantle from, but even my attempts to "lighten up"
the dark individuals, failed to produce a bird as light as YFGU3. My
impression from my photos is that perhaps younger birds might be darker
(blacker) that adults, but I'm not positive. The bill shape and
coloration seems good for Yellow-footed Gull, as does the color of the
legs (particularly if one considers the Colorado bird a sub-adult).
These photos are not great, but they do show variation in mantle color
- I have lots more that also show this variation.
http://home.comcast.net/~ghrosenberg/Yellow-footedGull1.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~ghrosenberg/YFGU1.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~ghrosenberg/YFGU2.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~ghrosenberg/YFGU3.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~ghrosenberg/YFGU4.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~ghrosenberg/YFGU5.jpg
I don't think Yellow-footed Gull should just be dismissed as a
possibility.
Then again, it is just a big gull!
Gary
Gary H. Rosenberg
Tucson, AZ
ghrosenberg(AT)comcast.net
http://www.wingsbirds.com
http://ghrosenberg.home.comcast.net/ArizonaBirdCommittee.html
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Subject: Re: Another consideration for the possible
Colorado Kelp Gull
From: Nicholas Block <sparrowhawk17(AT)yahoo.com>
Date: 21 Sep 2003 10:02pm
Hello all,
Before I went to see this bird or saw any pictures of it, Yellow-footed
Gull was the immediate alternative that came to my mind. This was largely
based on my knowledge of the TX bird; I figured it was just as likely to
show up in CO as a Kelp Gull. However, having seen the bird and the many
photos, I have to agree with Tony about this bird. After reading Tony's
conclusions on the CO listserv before going to see the bird, I was pretty
much convinced by then as well b/c I know how careful and experienced Tony
is with gulls.
I have also seen the MD Kelp Gull, which was my only previous experience
with the species. And I was also struck by the difference in bill bulk.
However, having perused many pictures online, it seems that the CO bird's
bill is within normal (sexual?) variation of Kelp Gull.
The kicker, though, is the orbital ring coloration. I was not able to see
it all that well when I observed the bird b/c of the distance to it, but
it definitely looked red or orange-red. It was not the yellow or
yellow-orange of a Yellow-footed Gull. I have also been told by at least
one other person who saw it closer than I that the orbital ring was
reddish. So that should pretty much eliminate Yellow-footed definitively.
Good birding!
Nick Block
Fort Collins, CO
sparrowhawk17(AT)yahoo.com
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Subject: Re: Another consideration for the possible
Colorado Kelp Gull
From: Nick Komar <quetzal65(AT)COMCAST.NET>
Date: 22 Sep 2003 8:45am
Aside from the slight greenish tint on the pale yellow legs, the reduced
tertial crescent and the inky-black back, and the partly red orbital ring,
all favoring Kelp Gull (Larus dominicanus) for the identification, there are
a few other not-yet-mentioned points that favor Kelp Gull over Yellow-footed
Gull (Larus livens):
1. Bill structure-the gonys is closer to the tip of the bill in the Colorado
bird compared with the photos of Yellow-footed Gull posted by Gary Rosenberg
earlier, and is consistent with depictions of this character in Sibley guide
to birds, and with the photo of Cape Gull (Larus dominicanus vetula) posted
by Dick Newell a few days ago.
2. The red gonydeal spot appears to reach the tip of the lower mandible in
photos of the Colorado bird, as well as in the photo for Cape Gull and in
Sibley's depictions of Kelp Gull. In Gary Rosenberg's photos of
Yellow-footed Gull and Sibley's depictions of this species, the gonydeal
spot does not reach the tip of the lower mandible.
3. Overall size of the bird. I thought it appeared Herring Gull size, in
relation to nearby California and Ring-billed Gulls. Yellow-footed should
appear even larger! As more Herring Gulls turn up in Colorado this week,
better size comparisons should be available. The Colorado bird was still
present at Jackson Lake State Park in Morgan County as of Sunday afternoon.
One confusing aspect of the bill is that the gape appears red in Steve
Messick's photos, and yet this character is supposed to be yellow according
to Sibley, and appears yellow in Kelp Gull photos on the internet. Possibly
it was stained with fish blood?
Nick Komar
Fort Collins CO
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Subject: Fw: gulls (fwd)
From: Harry Lehto <hlehto(AT)OJ287.ASTRO.UTU.FI>
Date: 22 Sep 2003 10:45am
Dear All,
things are moving forward with the complete recall of the Gull
book .. More in the information Klaus requested me to forward both to EBN
and BIRDWG01. Should you already have a copy of the book, YOU could now
make an positive impact. Note that Klaus and the publisher have agreed
that all the comments should be sent to him directly.
Still waiting for my copy..
Harry
hlehto(AT)utu.fi
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There have been considerable reactions on Gulls of Europe, Asia and North
America. In a previous message, I explained our editorial problems, of
which the publishers themselves barely are to blame. I am now going
thorugh the photoes for comparing the running order and captions, and
indeed, there are too many errors here, with wrong running order, omission
of photoes a.s.o. having disturbed these essential captions..
The publisher, A&C Black, has now accepted to make a reprint, correcting
all errors. This also offers an unique chance to correct and update the
texts. Therefore, the publishers A&C Black, Princeton University Press,
the artist Hans Larsson and the author Klaus Malling Olsen, kindly ask
anyone to submit any corrections as well as other information for the this
edition. We kindly ask if you could use the postal adress
Klaus Malling Olsen
Smørumvej 221, 2.t.v.,
DK 2700 Brønshøj
Denmark
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Subject: A request for slides for "Gulls of the Americas"
From: Will Russell <willrussell(AT)COMCAST.NET>
Date: 22 Sep 2003 8:24pm
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Steve Howell asked if I would post the following request for assistance.
Will Russell - ID-F
Photos NEEDED for Gulls of the Americas: A Photographic Guide, by Steve =
N. G. Howell and Jon Dunn, to be published by Princeton University =
Press. "In flight" includes spread-wing (upperwing). Publisher pays $60 =
for photos used, plus photographers receive a comp. copy of the book. =
Please reply to ngray(AT)prbo.org or photos can be sent to Steve Howell, =
PRBO, 4990 Shoreline Highway, Stinson Beach, CA 94970.
PHOTOS ARE NEEDED OF THE FOLLOWING:
Grey-hooded Gull L. c. cirrocephalus 1st year in flight.
Brown-hooded Gull L. maculipennis All plumages of N population (N =
Argentina northward).
Andean Gull L. serranus Juvenile; first-year; non-breeding adult.
Ross's Gull Rhodostethia rosea Juvenile.
Red-legged Kittiwake Rissa brevirostris All juvenile/immature/winter =
plumages.
Swallow-tailed Gull Creagrus furcatus Non-breeding and immature plumages =
(but not juveniles).
Lava Gull L. fuliginosus All plumages in flight.
Grey Gull L. modestus Second "winter" (Mar-Jul).
Belcher's Gull L. belcheri Juvenile; breeding adult in flight.
Olrog's Gull L. atlanticus Adult, juvenile, "first-winter" (Mar-Aug) =
"second summer" (Nov-Mar)"
Kamchatka Gull L. canus kamtschatschensis First summer; adult in flight =
from below.
California Gull L. californicus albertaensis Adult flight; juvenile/1st =
winter.
Vega Gull L. argentatus vegae 1st year in flight, 2nd summer standing =
and flight, 3rd summer standing and flight.
European Herring Gull L. argentatus Adult flight upperwing (L. =
a.argenteus)
Yellow-legged Gull L. [cachinnans] michahellis Adult flight upperwing; =
2nd winter (Oct-Dec);=20
L. [c.] m. atlantis (Azores) Adult flight upperwing
Slaty-backed Gull L. schistisagus 2nd summer and 3rd summer, at rest and =
flight.
Glaucous-winged Gull L. glaucescens 2nd summer (June-July)
Iceland Gull L. g. glaucoides Adult summer, adult winter; 2nd winter =
flight (upperwing)
Kumlien's Gull L. [glaucoides] kumlieni fresh juvenile (fall); adult =
summer, 2nd summer, 3rd summer;=20
Hybrids:
Glaucous-winged x Western Gull 2nd summer, adult at rest and flight, 3rd =
year flight.
Glacuous-winged x Herring Gull Juv/1st winter, 1st year & 2nd year in =
flight.
Glaucous x Herring Gull Adult at rest and flight; 2nd year & 3rd year in =
flight
Glaucous-winged x Glaucous Gull All ages
Kelp Gull x Herring Gull All ages
Slaty-backed x Vega Gull Adult
Slaty-backed x Glaucous-winged Gull Adult
Glaucous x Vega Gull Adult; all ages flying
ADDITIONAL GOOD PHOTOS OF THE FOLLOWING ARE ALSO DESIRABLE :
Bonaparte's Gull L. philadelphia Juvenile; adult breeding standing in =
profile; first summer with=20
partial hood
Brown-hooded Gull L. maculipennis 1st year in flight showing underwing.=20
Grey-hooded Gull L. c. cirrocephalus Juvenile
Little Gull L. minutus Any plumage with Bonaparte's Gull for size =
comparison
Ross's Gull Rhodostethia rosea First-winter=20
Franklin's Gull L. pipixcan 1st summer variation; 1st year and 2nd year =
in flight
Belcher's Gull L. belcheri First year in flight.
Mew Gull L. canus brachyrhynchus First summer=20
Kelp Gull L. d. dominicanus Adult "winter" (April-June, S Hemisphere)
Lesser Black-backed Gull L. fuscus graellsii First-winter in flight
Yellow-footed Gull L. livens 2nd summer (Apr-Jun)
Kumlien's Gull L. [glaucoides] kumlieni 2nd year in flight
Thayer's Gull L. thayeri Fresh juvenile, fall
Glaucous-winged x Western Gull Adults in flight
Will Russell
will(AT)wingsbirds.com (office)
willrussell(AT)comcast.net (home)
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Subject: gulls once more from Klaus.
From: Harry Lehto <hlehto(AT)OJ287.ASTRO.UTU.FI>
Date: 23 Sep 2003 10:37pm
To birdwg01/ebn,
Please note that below Klaus is asking for the corrections to the book to
be sent directly to him by email, so the corrected edition would be out asap.
You have your chance now to correct the mistakes and errors in this book
to make this the gull guide we have all expected!
Regards
Harry
hlehto(AT)utu.fi
==============================
GULLS The publisher, A&C Black has now decided to recall all GULLS OF
EUROPE, ASIA AND NORTH AMERICA, as the number of errors were too large
concerning photo captions (many were indeed switched off) and distrubution
maps (which in many cases were shown with wrong colour a.s.o.).
This now means, that we have an unique chance to update the text as well.
In a previous message, I have asked anyone who are able to submit
corrections and new information to send them to my postal adress.
Argumentably, a complete Northern Hemisphere treatment of gull ID will
take decades to do, being outside the lifespan of every author. Therefore,
I kindly ask anyone who can supply information also to mail them directly
to me, on e-mail adress calidris(AT)worldonline.dk for considering and
possible inclusion in the brand new version. All help will be fully
acknowledged.
The comments will then be incorporated in the text; the space must be
within the layout of the book, meaning that some of the text might be
shortened down or even replaced.
kind regards
Klaus Malling Olsen
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Subject: Nashville or Orange-crowned Warbler?
From: Ian Paulsen <birdbooker(AT)ZIPCON.NET>
Date: 24 Sep 2003 10:16am
HI:
A birder here on Bainbridge Island,WA (near Seattle) saw this warbler
yesterday. Any idea which one?
So here is my notes about the bird prior to even opening a field guide:
"the warbler" was uniform grayish green above (wings,back & head) w/no
wing bars. It had a well-defined, light-yellow (almost white) complete
eye ring. Did not appear to be split and definitely did not have a dark
eye stripe. It had very faint blurry streaking restricted to the sides of
the upper breast area ( I think because of this field mark it would
likely be some sort of Orange-crowned Warbler). The underparts went like
this; yellow undertail coverts w/ a small area of white in the vent
region and then yellowish green belly, breast and throat. There was a
slight whitish spot in the "hand" of the wing.
So here is the deal, because of the distinct eye ring and the white in
the vent area I thought I might have a Nashville Warbler. However, even
though the bird was somewhat grayish green above it did not have "a
distinctive gray head contrasting sharply with a yellow throat" and then
there was those limited blurry streaks ( much more extensive in all the
other Orange-crowns I have looked at!). Any thoughts or input would be
greatly appreciated!
--
Ian Paulsen
Bainbridge Island, WA, USA
A.K.A.: "Birdbooker"
"Rallidae all the way!"
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Subject: Re: Nashville or Orange-crowned Warbler?
From: "Lethaby, Nick" <nlethaby(AT)TI.COM>
Date: 24 Sep 2003 10:29am
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Ian:
In my experience, Orange-crowned Warblers regularly show a bit of white
around the base of the legs, although much less than a Nashville. Some of
the description sounds fine for one of the gray-headed OCWA types except for
the unbroken eye-ring and the uniformity of the upperparts. My recollection
is that the eye-ring is always broken in OCWA (but could be wrong because I
don't religeously check this on every bird). Also in OCWA there is still a
difference between the gray of the head and green of the rest of the
upperparts, though less contrasting than a Nashville.
Nick
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From: Ian Paulsen [mailto:birdbooker(AT)ZIPCON.NET]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:15 AM
To: BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject: [BIRDWG01] Nashville or Orange-crowned Warbler?
HI:
A birder here on Bainbridge Island,WA (near Seattle) saw this warbler
yesterday. Any idea which one?
So here is my notes about the bird prior to even opening a field guide:
"the warbler" was uniform grayish green above (wings,back & head) w/no
wing bars. It had a well-defined, light-yellow (almost white) complete
eye ring. Did not appear to be split and definitely did not have a dark
eye stripe. It had very faint blurry streaking restricted to the sides of
the upper breast area ( I think because of this field mark it would
likely be some sort of Orange-crowned Warbler). The underparts went like
this; yellow undertail coverts w/ a small area of white in the vent
region and then yellowish green belly, breast and throat. There was a
slight whitish spot in the "hand" of the wing.
So here is the deal, because of the distinct eye ring and the white in
the vent area I thought I might have a Nashville Warbler. However, even
though the bird was somewhat grayish green above it did not have "a
distinctive gray head contrasting sharply with a yellow throat" and then
there was those limited blurry streaks ( much more extensive in all the
other Orange-crowns I have looked at!). Any thoughts or input would be
greatly appreciated!
--
Ian Paulsen
Bainbridge Island, WA, USA
A.K.A.: "Birdbooker"
"Rallidae all the way!"
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Subject: Re: Nashville or Orange-crowned Warbler?
From: Michel Bertrand <bertrmi(AT)colba.net>
Date: 24 Sep 2003 11:54am
Ian Paulsen described a warbler asking :
> (...) Any idea which one?
His description included :
> (1) uniform grayish green above
> (2) no wing bars
> (3) well-defined complete eye ring
> (4) definitely did not have a dark eye stripe
> (5) very faint blurry streaking restricted to the
sides of the upper breast area
> (6) yellow undertail coverts
> (7) a small area of white in the vent region
> (8) yellowish green belly, breast and throat
> (9) a slight whitish spot in the "hand" of the wing.
> (10) did not have "a distinctive gray head
That description could fit for a female Common Yellowthroat in Fall colors.
MICHEL BERTRAND
Sainte-Julie, Qc
bertrmi(AT)colba.net
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Subject: Re: Nashville or Orange-crowned Warbler?
From: Mike Patterson <celata(AT)pacifier.com>
Date: 24 Sep 2003 12:10pm
Sounds like a hatch-year YELLOW WARBLER to me.
Ian Paulsen wrote:
>
> HI:
> A birder here on Bainbridge Island,WA (near Seattle) saw this warbler
> yesterday. Any idea which one?
>
> So here is my notes about the bird prior to even opening a field guide:
> "the warbler" was uniform grayish green above (wings,back & head) w/no
> wing bars. It had a well-defined, light-yellow (almost white) complete
> eye ring. Did not appear to be split and definitely did not have a dark
> eye stripe. It had very faint blurry streaking restricted to the sides of
> the upper breast area ( I think because of this field mark it would
> likely be some sort of Orange-crowned Warbler). The underparts went like
> this; yellow undertail coverts w/ a small area of white in the vent
> region and then yellowish green belly, breast and throat. There was a
> slight whitish spot in the "hand" of the wing.
>
> So here is the deal, because of the distinct eye ring and the white in
> the vent area I thought I might have a Nashville Warbler. However, even
> though the bird was somewhat grayish green above it did not have "a
> distinctive gray head contrasting sharply with a yellow throat" and then
> there was those limited blurry streaks ( much more extensive in all the
> other Orange-crowns I have looked at!). Any thoughts or input would be
> greatly appreciated!
>
> --
> Ian Paulsen
> Bainbridge Island, WA, USA
> A.K.A.: "Birdbooker"
> "Rallidae all the way!"
--
Mike Patterson
Astoria, OR
celata(AT)pacifier.com
I do not know which to prefer,
The beauty of inflections
Or the beauty of innuendoes,
The blackbird whistling
Or just after.
- Wallace Stevens
http://www.pacifier.com/~mpatters/bird/bird.html
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Subject: Re: Nashville or Orange-crowned Warbler?
From: Bill Elrick <belrick(AT)OPTONLINE.NET>
Date: 24 Sep 2003 12:16pm
This is getting funny, sounds like a HYF Canada to me.
Bill Elrick
NJ
-----Original Message-----
From: NBHC ID-FRONTIERS Frontiers of Field Identification
[mailto:BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Patterson
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:11 PM
To: BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject: Re: [BIRDWG01] Nashville or Orange-crowned Warbler?
Sounds like a hatch-year YELLOW WARBLER to me.
Ian Paulsen wrote:
>
> HI:
> A birder here on Bainbridge Island,WA (near Seattle) saw this warbler
> yesterday. Any idea which one?
>
> So here is my notes about the bird prior to even opening a field
guide:
> "the warbler" was uniform grayish green above (wings,back & head) w/no
> wing bars. It had a well-defined, light-yellow (almost white) complete
> eye ring. Did not appear to be split and definitely did not have a
dark
> eye stripe. It had very faint blurry streaking restricted to the sides
of
> the upper breast area ( I think because of this field mark it would
> likely be some sort of Orange-crowned Warbler). The underparts went
like
> this; yellow undertail coverts w/ a small area of white in the vent
> region and then yellowish green belly, breast and throat. There was a
> slight whitish spot in the "hand" of the wing.
>
> So here is the deal, because of the distinct eye ring and the white in
> the vent area I thought I might have a Nashville Warbler. However,
even
> though the bird was somewhat grayish green above it did not have "a
> distinctive gray head contrasting sharply with a yellow throat" and
then
> there was those limited blurry streaks ( much more extensive in all
the
> other Orange-crowns I have looked at!). Any thoughts or input would be
> greatly appreciated!
>
> --
> Ian Paulsen
> Bainbridge Island, WA, USA
> A.K.A.: "Birdbooker"
> "Rallidae all the way!"
--
Mike Patterson
Astoria, OR
celata(AT)pacifier.com
I do not know which to prefer,
The beauty of inflections
Or the beauty of innuendoes,
The blackbird whistling
Or just after.
- Wallace Stevens
http://www.pacifier.com/~mpatters/bird/bird.html
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Subject: yellowtailed yellowthroat
From: Mike Patterson <celata(AT)pacifier.com>
Date: 24 Sep 2003 12:19pm
If anybody cares, I caught a male COMMON YELLOWTHROAT
yesterday with a lot of yellow-green in the tail, similar
to the New Jersey "mystery" bird
http://home.pacifier.com/~neawanna/temp/coye2003092302.JPG
--
Mike Patterson
Astoria, OR
celata(AT)pacifier.com
I do not know which to prefer,
The beauty of inflections
Or the beauty of innuendoes,
The blackbird whistling
Or just after.
- Wallace Stevens
http://www.pacifier.com/~mpatters/bird/bird.html
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Subject: 3rd Spanish Masked Booby at Bay of Biscay photos
and text online
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ricard_Guti=E9rrez?= <gutarb(AT)TERRA.ES>
Date: 24 Sep 2003 4:16pm
Hello all
In the web http://www.rarebirdspain I've included thanks to Hugh Harrop a
page dealing with the exciting and recent record of a Masked Booby (Sula
dactylatra) on board of the ferry Pride of Bilbao. The bird reached the ship
in the Bay and leaved it once near the coast of Euskadi, N Spain.
There are a number of stunning images from Hugh as well as information on
the sighting. Besides, the usual reports from interesting species here.
Any comments on ageing (given dark marks on neck) would be welcome for the
Spanish RC file.
Thanks
Ricard Gutiérrez
http://www.rarebirdspain.net
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Subject: Re: Nashville or Orange-crowned Warbler?
From: Bruce Deuel <bkrdeuel(AT)SNOWCREST.NET>
Date: 24 Sep 2003 8:16pm
I agree with Mike. I saw a bird exactly like that today in Redding, Shasta
Co., California, and it was a Yellow Warbler.
Cheers,
Bruce Deuel
Red Bluff
Tehama Co., California
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Patterson" <celata(AT)PACIFIER.COM>
To: <BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [BIRDWG01] Nashville or Orange-crowned Warbler?
> Sounds like a hatch-year YELLOW WARBLER to me.
>
> Ian Paulsen wrote:
> >
> > HI:
> > A birder here on Bainbridge Island,WA (near Seattle) saw this warbler
> > yesterday. Any idea which one?
> >
> > So here is my notes about the bird prior to even opening a field guide:
> > "the warbler" was uniform grayish green above (wings,back & head) w/no
> > wing bars. It had a well-defined, light-yellow (almost white) complete
> > eye ring. Did not appear to be split and definitely did not have a dark
> > eye stripe. It had very faint blurry streaking restricted to the sides
of
> > the upper breast area ( I think because of this field mark it would
> > likely be some sort of Orange-crowned Warbler). The underparts went like
> > this; yellow undertail coverts w/ a small area of white in the vent
> > region and then yellowish green belly, breast and throat. There was a
> > slight whitish spot in the "hand" of the wing.
> >
> > So here is the deal, because of the distinct eye ring and the white in
> > the vent area I thought I might have a Nashville Warbler. However, even
> > though the bird was somewhat grayish green above it did not have "a
> > distinctive gray head contrasting sharply with a yellow throat" and then
> > there was those limited blurry streaks ( much more extensive in all the
> > other Orange-crowns I have looked at!). Any thoughts or input would be
> > greatly appreciated!
> >
> > --
> > Ian Paulsen
> > Bainbridge Island, WA, USA
> > A.K.A.: "Birdbooker"
> > "Rallidae all the way!"
>
> --
> Mike Patterson
> Astoria, OR
> celata(AT)pacifier.com
>
> I do not know which to prefer,
> The beauty of inflections
> Or the beauty of innuendoes,
> The blackbird whistling
> Or just after.
>
> - Wallace Stevens
>
> http://www.pacifier.com/~mpatters/bird/bird.html
>
>
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Subject: Re: Nashville or Orange-crowned Warbler?
From: B & C Yutzy <boby(AT)c-zone.net>
Date: 24 Sep 2003 9:52pm
Note that Yellow Warblers not only have full, compete, and biggish eyerings
but have big bills compared to the tiny bill of both Oranged-crowned and
Nashville Warblers. (Western) Oranged-crowneds also show a yellow mark at
the bend of the wing.
I agree it sounds like a immature Yellow Warbler (but some marks were not
well described or noted in the write up).
Bob Yutzy - Redding California
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Paulsen" <birdbooker(AT)ZIPCON.NET>
To: <BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:14 AM
Subject: [BIRDWG01] Nashville or Orange-crowned Warbler?
> HI:
> A birder here on Bainbridge Island,WA (near Seattle) saw this warbler
> yesterday. Any idea which one?
>
> So here is my notes about the bird prior to even opening a field guide:
> "the warbler" was uniform grayish green above (wings,back & head) w/no
> wing bars. It had a well-defined, light-yellow (almost white) complete
> eye ring. Did not appear to be split and definitely did not have a dark
> eye stripe. It had very faint blurry streaking restricted to the sides of
> the upper breast area ( I think because of this field mark it would
> likely be some sort of Orange-crowned Warbler). The underparts went like
> this; yellow undertail coverts w/ a small area of white in the vent
> region and then yellowish green belly, breast and throat. There was a
> slight whitish spot in the "hand" of the wing.
>
> So here is the deal, because of the distinct eye ring and the white in
> the vent area I thought I might have a Nashville Warbler. However, even
> though the bird was somewhat grayish green above it did not have "a
> distinctive gray head contrasting sharply with a yellow throat" and then
> there was those limited blurry streaks ( much more extensive in all the
> other Orange-crowns I have looked at!). Any thoughts or input would be
> greatly appreciated!
>
> --
> Ian Paulsen
> Bainbridge Island, WA, USA
> A.K.A.: "Birdbooker"
> "Rallidae all the way!"
>
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Subject: Re: 3rd Spanish Masked Booby at Bay of Biscay
photos and text online
From: Graham Etherington <etherington(AT)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 25 Sep 2003 2:20am
Hi Birders,
The correct URL for Ricard's website should be:
http://www.rarebirdspain.net/
and the Masked Booby page can be found at:
http://www.rarebirdspain.net/arbsi022.htm
Cheers,
Graham Etherington
Norwich, UK
From: Ricard Gutiérrez <gutarb(AT)TERRA.ES>
Reply-To: Ricard Gutiérrez <gutarb(AT)TERRA.ES>
To: BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject: [BIRDWG01] 3rd Spanish Masked Booby at Bay of Biscay photos and
text online
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:17:32 +0200
Hello all
In the web http://www.rarebirdspain I've included thanks to Hugh Harrop a
page dealing with the exciting and recent record of a Masked Booby (Sula
dactylatra) on board of the ferry Pride of Bilbao. The bird reached the ship
in the Bay and leaved it once near the coast of Euskadi, N Spain.
There are a number of stunning images from Hugh as well as information on
the sighting. Besides, the usual reports from interesting species here.
Any comments on ageing (given dark marks on neck) would be welcome for the
Spanish RC file.
Thanks
Ricard Gutiérrez
http://www.rarebirdspain.net
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Subject: RFI: captive breeding of Laridae
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pierre-Andr=E9_CROCHET?= <crochet(AT)CEFE.CNRS-MOP.FR>
Date: 29 Sep 2003 6:54am
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Dear all,
I'm looking for contacts with institutions (zoos, etc...) which have =
breeding Laridae in captivity. I know of a few places where Larids are =
kept, but no where they breed in captivity.=20
Hope anybody can help,
Pierre
Pierre-Andr=E9 Crochet
CEFE-CNRS
1919, route de Mende
34293 Montpellier cedex 5
France
tel: + 33 6 07 32 60 75
fax: + 33 4 67 41 21 38
crochet(AT)cefe.cnrs-mop.fr
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Subject: Ibis
From: David Vander Pluym <SCRE(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 29 Sep 2003 11:04pm
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This ibis was photographed yesterday evening in low light (giving it more of
a reddish tone then it had in life) on Point Reyes. In life the bird showed
no red on the face with the eye being dark and the facial skin gray with a
light border. I'd be interested to hear what people think of this bird.
Here's
the link to pictures
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=2845071&
uid=1410482&members=1
David Vander Pluym
UCSC
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Subject: ID of Wilson's and Common Snipes
From: Martin Reid <upupa(AT)AIRMAIL.NET>
Date: 30 Sep 2003 4:15am
Dear all,
Since I last added details to my pages on Snipe ID, the forms have been
officially split by the AOU, raising the stakes somewhat when dealing with
this thorny issue. I continue to search for interesting snipe, and here's
the first one of the Fall:
http://www.martinreid.com/snipe9.html
- I'd be keen to see feedback - particularly from those who see Common
Snipe in various parts of its range - thanks.
Martin
PS I've also added a couple more well-marked Green-winged Teal:
http://www.martinreid.com/gwteal2.html
Martin Reid
Fort Worth, Texas
mailto:upupa(AT)airmail.net
http://www.martinreid.com
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Subject: Re: Ibis
From: David Vander Pluym <SCRE(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 30 Sep 2003 2:10pm
Some people have been having with the link so here it is again. As I stated
before the facial skin was gray in the field.
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=2845071&uid=1410482&members=1
Probably be easiest to just copy and paste
David Vander Pluym
UCSC
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