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Subject: Captive breeding of larids
From: Greg Toffic <Greg.Toffic(AT)ZOO.ORG>
Date: 1 Oct 2003 11:39am
I have been unsubscribed to this group for several months, but since I recently
received a couple of requests privately regarding Pierre-Andre Crochet's inquiry
about captive breeding of larids, I thought I'd rejoin the list.
There aren't many zoos breeding gulls, (Brookfield Zoo breeds grey gulls) and
the only other larid that is bred in any numbers is inca tern. Go to the ISIS
site http://www.isis.org/ click "species holdings", then the Aves tab, then
click "taxonomic name" and the beginning letter for the genus. All species held
in collections in that genus will be displayed, and the last collumn will tell
you how many chicks have been produced in the previous 6 months.
Greg Toffic
Curator of Birds and Invertebrates
Woodland Park Zoo
601 N. 59th. St.
Seattle, WA 98103
206-684-4836 (desk)
206-233-7278 (fax)
greg.toffic(AT)zoo.org
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Subject: Which form(s) of Yellow-nosed Albatross occur in
the ABA area?
From: Martin Reid <upupa(AT)AIRMAIL.NET>
Date: 1 Oct 2003 7:01pm
Dear all,
I've added a few images of the Sept 26 2003 Yellow-nosed Albatross on a
Texas Pelagic to the TBRC web site:
http://texasbirds.org/tbrc/ynalbatr.htm
- but I want to start a discussion on the exact ID of the two albatrosses
pictured on this page:-
There are two recognized subspecies of Yellow-nosed Albatross (YNAL)
Thalassarche chlororhynchus: the nominate form is known as Atlantic YNAL,
T. c. chlororhynchus breeding in the Tristan Islands (plus Gough Island) of
the South Atlantic; the other form that breeds on the Subantarctic islands
of the Indian Ocean is T. c. carteri (bassi is a junior synonym) - the
Indian YNAL. For a good synopsis of these forms, see the appropriate
section at Angus Wilson's excellent Marine Web site:
http://www.oceanwanderers.com/AlbatrossList.html
One would expect the YNALs seen in the ABA area to be Atlantic YNALs, and
here is a link to one off of the Carolinas that does seem to be the
nominate form:
http://www.patteson.com/image0.htm
- but the two Texas birds look (to me) to be more like Indian YNALs,
based on the white head and very small amount of dark around the
eye. Also this Louisiana bird looks more like Indian YNAL to me:
http://www.tulane.edu/~danny/alb.html
I believe there are a few specimen records; perhaps these can be examined
to determine which form they are?
There is a tentative reassessment of Albatross taxonomy that - if adopted -
would split these two forms into separate species, so it is of more than
passing interest, I feel. To get a sense of this proposed taxonomy, read
this article:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/palliser/pelagic/taxon.html
Looking forward to some discussion,
Martin
Martin Reid
Fort Worth, Texas
mailto:upupa(AT)airmail.net
http://www.martinreid.com
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Subject: Re: Which form(s) of Yellow-nosed Albatross occur
in the ABA area?
From: Bruce H Anderson <Scizortail(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 2 Oct 2003 5:01am
Hi Martin and TEXBIRDerS,
Since you mentioned your neighbor, Louisiana, I thought that I would share info
from the other side of our Gulf “pond.”
Florida has two hypothetical reports of Wandering Albatross from the 1800s: one
from the Atlantic side and the other from the Gulf. There is one hypothetical
report of Black-browed Albatross from the Atlantic side in 1974.
The remaining albatross reports are referable to Yellow-nosed. Our first to be
verified was on 3 July 1982, in the Gulf just offshore at St. Marks National
Wildlife Refuge (Wakulla Co.) in the Big Bend area of the state. It was
photographed, and the slides (TTRS P416-20) are at Tall Timbers Research
Station, Tallahassee, Florida. In 1983, Rich Paul, then summer Florida editor
of “American Birds” (now “North American Birds”) wrote that its “gray
head” was considered “typical of the nominate race.”
The second was a live bird (photographed) found on Key Largo (Monroe Co.;
Florida Straights), on 27 May 1992, that later died and now resides as a round
study skin (GEW 5866) in the collection of the Archbold Biological Station, Lake
Placid, Florida. Wayne Hoffman (Florida Field Naturalist 22(3):75-77) wrote
that the head was “immaculate [white]” and that he was “suspect” that
the bird was a “subadult” since the yellow on “the dorsal plate and
nail” of the upper mandible was “primarily on the nail and near the base of
the bill.” He further remarked about the two races writing that “the
described plumage differences appear minor and confounded by wear,” citing R.
C. Murphy’s 1936 “Oceanic Birds of South America, “and subadults may not
be separable.” He did not speculate as to race.
I know of no other photos or specimens from the State. Florida’s first report
of this species was in the Atlantic in 1958, and there was no mention in the
report of race. There was another Atlantic report in the 1990s, accepted by the
State records committee only to genus. There have been one or two more recent
reports for the Gulf, and I believe that one was earlier this year, but I have
not seen details or published reports.
Bruce
Bruce H. Anderson
Winter Park, FL
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Subject: Re: Which form(s) of Yellow-nosed Albatross occur
in the ABA area?
From: Bruce H Anderson <Scizortail(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 2 Oct 2003 5:23am
Re: addressing the group as TEXBIRDerS: when I see Matin's name, it is most
often on TEXBIRDS, and my mind went there when I responded to his post.
Bruce
Bruce H. Anderson
Winter Park, FL
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Subject: Qry: Yellow-footed Gull
From: Jim Barton <redwingatfp1986(AT)COMCAST.NET>
Date: 4 Oct 2003 6:50pm
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Hello. Do any very large first-year gulls in California except =
Yellow-footed Gull L. livens present a white or whitish tail with a =
prominent dark terminal band?
Yours,
Jim Barton
redwingatfp1986(AT)comcast.net
Cambridge, MA
US Coordinator, Proact
campaigning for birds and their habitats
before it's too late
www.proact-campaigns.net
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