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ID-FRONTIERS for June 26-30, 2005

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 Subject From Date  Time 
 Re: splitting rumors  Graham Etherington   Mon, 27 Jun 2005  2:09am 
 "Black-eared" Bushtits in northeastern Colorado  Ted Floyd   Mon, 27 Jun 2005  6:35am 
 Re: "Black-eared" Bushtits in northeastern Colorado  Wayne C. Weber  Mon, 27 Jun 2005  8:44am 
 Re: "Black-eared" Bushtits in northeastern Colorado  Alvaro Jaramillo   Mon, 27 Jun 2005  9:26am 
 Albino Hummer  KACastelein and DJLa  Wed, 29 Jun 2005  6:27am 
 albino hummingbird in Oregon  David Fix Jude Power  Wed, 29 Jun 2005  9:44am 
 Re: albino hummingbird in Oregon  Richard Hoyer   Wed, 29 Jun 2005  10:00am 
 Re: albino hummingbird in Oregon  Greg Gillson   Wed, 29 Jun 2005  10:41am 
 Re: albino hummingbird in Oregon  Richard Hoyer   Wed, 29 Jun 2005  10:49am 
 New Ducks, Geese, and Swans Book  SGMlod(AT)AOL.COM  Thu, 30 Jun 2005  11:19am 
 Re: New Ducks, Geese, and Swans Book  Ian Paulsen   Thu, 30 Jun 2005  11:33am 
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[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: splitting rumors From: Graham Etherington <britishbirder(AT)gmail.com> Date: 27 Jun 2005 2:09am Ian and all, The BOURC-TSC split Common/Black and Velvet/White-winged on 25 May 2005. The details are below. There has also been a recent paper in Birding World about the identification of all 3 populations of Velvet Scoter. I think the following reference is: Stejneger's Scoter in the Western Palearctic and North America 17: 337-347 Best wishes, Graham "Taxonomic changes to the British List The following recommendations relating to the taxonomy of birds on the British List will take effect from the publication of the BOURC Taxonomic Subcommittee's (BOURC-TSC) next report in Ibis. Black Scoter Melanitta nigra The two currently recognised subspecies of Black Scoter, the Eurasian M. n. nigra and the North American and East Asian M. n. americana should be treated as separate species: * Common Scoter M. nigra (monotypic) * Black Scoter M. americana (monotypic). Both taxa are currently on the British List. Velvet Scoter Melanitta fusca Eurasian populations M. f. fusca are distinct from East Asian and North American populations M. f. stejnegeri and M. f. deglandi , and should be recognised as separate species: * Velvet Scoter M. fusca (monotypic) * White-winged Scoter M. deglandi (polytypic, with subspecies deglandi and stejnegeri ). Velvet Scoter is on the British List. Supporting information relating to these decisions will be published separately." On 6/24/05, Ian Paulsen <birdbooker(AT)zipcon.net> wrote: > HI: > Below are two rumored splits from BIRDWATCH magazine (British): > > he BOU taxonomic subcommittee will be announcing the split of Common and > Velvet Scoter to give species status to Black Scoter M americana and > White-winged Scoter M d deglandi and M d stejnegeri. > > The Savannah Sparrow split news comes from Condor 107:21-28 which says > that > Baja California, San Diego and Sonora coastal populations should be a full > species P rostratus. > > Does anyone have references on how to id these taxa? > > -- > Ian Paulsen > Bainbridge Island, WA, USA > A.K.A.: "Birdbooker" > "Rallidae all the way!" > > > Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 > > Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html > Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: "Black-eared" Bushtits in northeastern Colorado From: Ted Floyd <tedfloyd(AT)ABA.ORG> Date: 27 Jun 2005 6:35am Hello, birders. I'm hoping that someone out there can shed light on the following. Bushtits have been spreading northward in Colorado for several years, and I've spent a fair bit of time studying the species here in Boulder County, Colorado (northwest of Denver). On three occasions in the past few years (most recently this past Saturday, 25 June 2005), I've seen individuals with strikingly dark auriculars. Note: Not a one of the three was as solidly "black-eared" as Bushtits that I have seen south of the United States, e.g., in the mountains of west-central Chihuahua; then again, these "black-eared" Bushtits in Boulder County have shown more contrasting and darker auriculars (and some adjacent feather tracts) than I've seen on anything farther south in the United States, e.g., in southern New Mexico or in southeastern Arizona. Other folks in Boulder County have seen "black-eared" Bushtits, too, and one observer reports having seen one with solidly black auriculars. My understanding is that the "black-eared" Bushtit refers not to subspecific variation but rather to a polymorphism with a simple genetic basis. The gene (or genes) for the "black-eared" morph is (are) prevalent in southern populations but scarce in or absent from populations farther north. Yet here in Boulder County, at the vanguard of a northern expansion of the Bushtit, we are seeing birds that are tending toward a "black-eared" phenotype. To develop a point that I made above, the "black-eared" birds that I have seen in northeastern Colorado are not "perfect", i.e., not a perfect match to "black-eared" Bushtits that I have seen in Mexico. For example, the bird that I saw on Saturday had tiny white flecks all across the otherwise black or gray-black auriculars. But, again, the auriculars are pretty impressively dark and contrasting overall. So what's going on here? Does the fact that we're dealing with an invading population have any relevance? How, exactly, does this polymorphism pop up? Is gene flow with more-southerly populations required? Can it show up, via mutation, anywhere in the range of the species? Is it present, but in very low dosages, throughout the range of the species? ---------------------------- Ted Floyd Editor, Birding American Birding Association P.O. Box 7974 Boulder, Colorado 80306-7974 303-444-6363 tedfloyd(AT)aba.org Please visit the website of the American Birding Association: http://www.americanbirding.org Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: "Black-eared" Bushtits in northeastern Colorado From: "Wayne C. Weber" <contopus(AT)TELUS.NET> Date: 27 Jun 2005 8:44am Ted, I suspect that your second explanation for the occurrence of "black-eared" Bushtits in Colorado, that this polymorphism can "pop up" anywhere in the range of the species, is the correct one. The fact that this is an invading population is relevant, because such a population would be small initially, and it would be easier for "black-eared" birds to become widespread than in some area that already had high Bushtit populations. On my home turf in southwestern British Columbia and western Washington, where Bushtits are abundant, I have never seen a black-eared bird. Wayne C. Weber Delta, BC contopus(AT)telus.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Floyd" <tedfloyd(AT)ABA.ORG> To: <BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 6:35 AM Subject: [BIRDWG01] "Black-eared" Bushtits in northeastern Colorado Hello, birders. I'm hoping that someone out there can shed light on the following. Bushtits have been spreading northward in Colorado for several years, and I've spent a fair bit of time studying the species here in Boulder County, Colorado (northwest of Denver). On three occasions in the past few years (most recently this past Saturday, 25 June 2005), I've seen individuals with strikingly dark auriculars. Note: Not a one of the three was as solidly "black-eared" as Bushtits that I have seen south of the United States, e.g., in the mountains of west-central Chihuahua; then again, these "black-eared" Bushtits in Boulder County have shown more contrasting and darker auriculars (and some adjacent feather tracts) than I've seen on anything farther south in the United States, e.g., in southern New Mexico or in southeastern Arizona. Other folks in Boulder County have seen "black-eared" Bushtits, too, and one observer reports having seen one with solidly black auriculars. My understanding is that the "black-eared" Bushtit refers not to subspecific variation but rather to a polymorphism with a simple genetic basis. The gene (or genes) for the "black-eared" morph is (are) prevalent in southern populations but scarce in or absent from populations farther north. Yet here in Boulder County, at the vanguard of a northern expansion of the Bushtit, we are seeing birds that are tending toward a "black-eared" phenotype. To develop a point that I made above, the "black-eared" birds that I have seen in northeastern Colorado are not "perfect", i.e., not a perfect match to "black-eared" Bushtits that I have seen in Mexico. For example, the bird that I saw on Saturday had tiny white flecks all across the otherwise black or gray-black auriculars. But, again, the auriculars are pretty impressively dark and contrasting overall. So what's going on here? Does the fact that we're dealing with an invading population have any relevance? How, exactly, does this polymorphism pop up? Is gene flow with more-southerly populations required? Can it show up, via mutation, anywhere in the range of the species? Is it present, but in very low dosages, throughout the range of the species? ---------------------------- Ted Floyd Editor, Birding American Birding Association P.O. Box 7974 Boulder, Colorado 80306-7974 303-444-6363 tedfloyd(AT)aba.org Please visit the website of the American Birding Association: http://www.americanbirding.org Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: "Black-eared" Bushtits in northeastern Colorado From: Alvaro Jaramillo <chucao(AT)COASTSIDE.NET> Date: 27 Jun 2005 9:26am Folks The bushtit appears to sort out into two major groups, the coastal slope minimus; and the interior birds plumbeus-melanotis group. These are the "Lead-colored" and "Black-eared" Bushtits respectively. I don't understand the exact distribution of the black-eared gene, but given several lines of evidence suggesting that the coastal slope group is at least somewhat genetically isolated from the interior group, I would predict that black-eared types do not occur in minimus (BC-Baja, west of Cascades/Sierras). This is why Wayne does not see them up north, and why we don't see them here in California. The expression of the black-eared phenotype is very weird. In Mexico the black ear patch is fully developed in males, and sometimes in females. Farther north it is usually not expressed in adults but only in juveniles, then even farther north only some juvenile males express the trait, and it it absent in adults. So if Ted is seeing the black eared birds only in summer, it suggests that these are juveniles showing black ear patches, a feature that is more widespread than adults showing the black ears. If they are black-eared adults, that would be really, really odd and bears further study. By the way, you can sex bushtits by looking at eye colour, yellow in females and brown in males, juvenile females have brown eyes to begin with but really quickly begin showing pale eyes. Cheers Al Alvaro Jaramillo chucao(AT)coastside.net Half Moon Bay, CA Field Guides - Birding Tours Worldwide http://www.fieldguides.com/home.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: NBHC ID-FRONTIERS Frontiers of Field Identification > [mailto:BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of Wayne C. Weber > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 8:35 AM > To: BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU > Subject: Re: [BIRDWG01] "Black-eared" Bushtits in northeastern Colorado > > Ted, > > I suspect that your second explanation for the occurrence of "black-eared" > Bushtits in Colorado, that this polymorphism can "pop up" anywhere in > the range of the species, is the correct one. The fact that this is an > invading population is relevant, because such a population would be small > initially, > and it would be easier for "black-eared" birds to become widespread than > in > some area that already had high Bushtit populations. > > On my home turf in southwestern British Columbia and western Washington, > where Bushtits are abundant, I have never seen a black-eared bird. > > Wayne C. Weber > Delta, BC > contopus(AT)telus.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ted Floyd" <tedfloyd(AT)ABA.ORG> > To: <BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU> > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 6:35 AM > Subject: [BIRDWG01] "Black-eared" Bushtits in northeastern Colorado > > > Hello, birders. > > I'm hoping that someone out there can shed light on the following. > > Bushtits have been spreading northward in Colorado for several years, > and I've spent a fair bit of time studying the species here in Boulder > County, Colorado (northwest of Denver). On three occasions in the past > few years (most recently this past Saturday, 25 June 2005), I've seen > individuals with strikingly dark auriculars. Note: Not a one of the > three was as solidly "black-eared" as Bushtits that I have seen south of > the United States, e.g., in the mountains of west-central Chihuahua; > then again, these "black-eared" Bushtits in Boulder County have shown > more contrasting and darker auriculars (and some adjacent feather > tracts) than I've seen on anything farther south in the United States, > e.g., in southern New Mexico or in southeastern Arizona. Other folks in > Boulder County have seen "black-eared" Bushtits, too, and one observer > reports having seen one with solidly black auriculars. > > My understanding is that the "black-eared" Bushtit refers not to > subspecific variation but rather to a polymorphism with a simple genetic > basis. The gene (or genes) for the "black-eared" morph is (are) > prevalent in southern populations but scarce in or absent from > populations farther north. Yet here in Boulder County, at the vanguard > of a northern expansion of the Bushtit, we are seeing birds that are > tending toward a "black-eared" phenotype. To develop a point that I made > above, the "black-eared" birds that I have seen in northeastern Colorado > are not "perfect", i.e., not a perfect match to "black-eared" Bushtits > that I have seen in Mexico. For example, the bird that I saw on Saturday > had tiny white flecks all across the otherwise black or gray-black > auriculars. But, again, the auriculars are pretty impressively dark and > contrasting overall. > > So what's going on here? Does the fact that we're dealing with an > invading population have any relevance? How, exactly, does this > polymorphism pop up? Is gene flow with more-southerly populations > required? Can it show up, via mutation, anywhere in the range of the > species? Is it present, but in very low dosages, throughout the range of > the species? > > ---------------------------- > > Ted Floyd > > Editor, > Birding > > American Birding Association > P.O. Box 7974 > Boulder, Colorado 80306-7974 > > 303-444-6363 > tedfloyd(AT)aba.org > > Please visit the website of the > American Birding Association: > http://www.americanbirding.org > > > Join or Leave BIRDWG01: > http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 > > Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html > > > Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi- > bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 > > Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.2/29 - Release Date: 6/27/2005 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Albino Hummer From: KACastelein and DJLauten <birdsong(AT)HARBORSIDE.COM> Date: 29 Jun 2005 6:27am Folsk, Thought you might be interested. Dave Lauten I received an amazing photo by Gary Hughes (gkhughes(AT)easystreet.com) of an albino hummingbird from North Plains, Oregon. Check it out: http://thebirdguide.com/temp_images/hum.jpg Greg Gillson The Bird Guide, Inc. greg(AT)thebirdguide.com http://thebirdguide.com Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: albino hummingbird in Oregon From: David Fix Jude Power <dfxjcp(AT)HUMBOLDT1.COM> Date: 29 Jun 2005 9:44am This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Hi folks, Regarding the albino hummingbird photographed in North Plains, Oregon = (w. of Portland), this bird sure looks like a Magnificent Hummingbird. = It has a whopping tail and what looks to be an outsized bill. Just a = thought. David Fix Arcata, California Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3Dbirdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: albino hummingbird in Oregon From: Richard Hoyer <calliope(AT)THERIVER.COM> Date: 29 Jun 2005 10:00am Hi Birders, My first impression was actually Broad-billed Hummingbird, probably from the tail shape, size and posture (those very curved outer tail feathers really grab my eye). The shape of the crown also looks right for this species, very rounded with the peak relatively far forward. To me, both Mag and Anna's have a peak farther back and a more gradual slope down to the bill. And wouldn't Mag have even a longer bill? The bill doesn't look very curved, however, but that could be an artifact of angle. Is there no information on behavior (tail shivering, e.g.) or call notes? It's so hard to judge from a single photo. Rich --- Rich Hoyer Tucson, AZ Senior Field Leader, WINGS, Inc. http://www.wingsbirds.com --- Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: albino hummingbird in Oregon From: Greg Gillson <greg(AT)THEBIRDGUIDE.COM> Date: 29 Jun 2005 10:41am For more photos see: http://www.geocities.com/hummbino/1.html Greg On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:00:34 -0700 Richard Hoyer <calliope(AT)theriver.com> wrote: > Hi Birders, > > My first impression was actually Broad-billed >Hummingbird, probably from the tail shape, size and >posture (those very curved outer tail feathers really >grab my eye). The shape of the crown also looks right for >this species, very rounded with the peak relatively far >forward. To me, both Mag and Anna's have a peak farther >back and a more gradual slope down to the bill. And >wouldn't Mag have even a longer bill? The bill doesn't >look very curved, however, but that could be an artifact >of angle. > > Is there no information on behavior (tail shivering, >e.g.) or call notes? It's so hard to judge from a single >photo. > > Rich > --- > Rich Hoyer > Tucson, AZ > > Senior Field Leader, WINGS, Inc. > http://www.wingsbirds.com > --- Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: albino hummingbird in Oregon From: Richard Hoyer <calliope(AT)THERIVER.COM> Date: 29 Jun 2005 10:49am Hi Birders, I'd still be interested to hear about the behavior and calls, but these photos add up to make the bird look more like Anna's Hummingbird... Rich --- Rich Hoyer Tucson, AZ Senior Field Leader, WINGS, Inc. http://www.wingsbirds.com --- On Jun 29, 2005, at 10:41 AM, Greg Gillson wrote: For more photos see: http://www.geocities.com/hummbino/1.html Greg Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: New Ducks, Geese, and Swans Book From: SGMlod(AT)AOL.COM Date: 30 Jun 2005 11:19am ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Greetings All It was with great anticipation that I received the rather expensive (~280$) two volume "Ducks, Geese, and Swans" published by Oxford Univ Press as part of their Bird Families of the World series. Seeing the Canada and Cackling Goose standing next to each other on the cover of vol. 1 only heightened my glee. Alas. The first couple hundred pages offer a nice overview of waterfowl biology. I have yet to read this section in its entirety, but I could not find a reference to a potentially interesting topic in waterfowl biology: that is, the default plumage is male. So, a bird lacking sex hormones (estrogen, testosterone) will look more like a male than a female. Females low on estrogen will look like odd males, perhaps prompting the report of hybrids, and have been loosely termed "intersex ducks" in birding circles. Anyway, this point, perhaps somewhat trivial but of some potential importance to field ID, seems to have been omitted. Much more important to most everyone reading this are the species accounts and how well they cover ID, distribution, and subspecies. The short answer is horrid, okay, and highly variable. Identification (examples): Looking at wigeon, the discussion of ID of adults is extremely basic (not better than the old Golden Guide) and for immatures, states that "both sexes [of American] appear much like immature Eurasian Wigeon." Lots of help there. They do manage to spend almost as much time telling you how to separate American Wigeon from Chiloe Wigeon, however, as "escaped birds often occur." Though no mention of Eurasian x American Wigeon is made, we are warned about hybrids with Chiloes. Indeed, a great fault re: ID is that mention of hybrids is rarely made, and for some ID quandaries, such as wigeon, awareness of these and their appearance is critical. Another example: Under scaup, head color and wing stripe are emphasized. A brief and misleading reference to head and bill shape differences is made. And so on. The illustrations are pretty, but not terribly useful re: ID. Some chicks are shown, but only for a few species. Distribution: The maps are often incorrect. A quick thumbing through the book revealed that Barrow's Goldeneye is shown as wintering in the lower Great Lakes, where they are vagrants, whereas Lesser Scaup are not shown wintering in the interior anywhere (and they are not rare on the Great Lakes, except when frozen). Barrow's Goldeneye are shown as being resident in the High Cascades, where they breed but would freeze to death during winter but are not shown as wintering on Washington's n. Olympic Coast, where common. Long-tailed Ducks, apparently, don't winter s. of central Vancouver Island, but Black Scoters winter all the way into Mexico. For some species, such as RB Merg, a "Polar View" is used for the map, making the bird's precise range difficult to interpret; in any case, it certainly is shown in broad strokes when compared with species limited to one continent, where an attempt is made to show the range in great detail. Then there is the peculiar selection of terms for these maps: "Migrant breeding" and "Migrant non-breeding." The use of "migrant" is baffling for these labels mean "breeding" and "wintering" respectively. I realize that ducks do move about during the "winter" or "resting" season depending on open water and other factors, and there's the issue of whose winter (n. hemisphere vs s. hemisphere) one's talking about. However, the use of "migrant" is extremely misleading because the ranges NEVER display migration range, which is left undepicted in all maps. The text offers a better description of ranges, sometimes not containing the same errors shown in the maps. And the text gives valuable info on population levels, sometimes in great detail (though to some extent this can be obtained from Wetlands International's "Waterfowl Population Estimates" -- an excellent tome recommended to all). So, for population issues, these books are quite useful. However, range errors exist here, too. The wintering of Black Scoter to Mexico is repeated. And, they mention the regular occurrence of Eur Wigeon in North America, but state that it is particularly numerous in the Aleutians and Mexico. Yes, Mexico. I guess we've been missing the large flocks in Baja. Subspecies In the Brant account, subspecific range and numbers is extremely well covered, including "Gray-bellied Brant." Also, the author notes that "Lawrence's Brant" may not be GB Brant at all, but a now extirpated darker e. North American population of Brant. However, the account gives little help on ID of these races. The Canada Goose account is a disaster. Canada and Cackling aren't split, though the AOUs decision is alluded to. No where does this account suggest which races will be put with which species. A vague attempt at discussing subspecific ID is made, so much so as to make one wonder why they wasted the space. The maps are a hodgepodge of Fish and Wildlife Service defined "populations" (which contain several races) to specific maps for several (Aleutian, minima, Dusky). A map labelled "Lesser" I suspect contains parvipes and taverneri ranges, though the text earlier defines these as separate subspecies. In any case, if you are interested in Canada and Cackling Goose racial ID and range, this book is nearly worthless. The BNA account, which is several years old, is far better. For that matter, so is Bellrose's book and Johnsgard's from the 1970s (or is it early 80s -- too lazy to get up and drag down the volumes). On the other hand, the discussion of range and subspecific ID on Common Eider is far more detailed and useful, probably exceeding that which can be obtained from most other sources. As for food, displays, breeding and life cycle, much of this is interesting, but outside of any area of expertise I have. For some species, a detailed account of molt cycle is given, which is quite nice, but for many species this information is not provided. In reality, for North America, access to the BNA accounts and Sibley (especially if you can access Dave himself :o) will do you far more good than this extremely expensive set. For outside North America, there are many sources which would easily replace this set, depending on where you're going; and in many respects, the much less-expensive Madge and Burn book on Waterfowl is equal or superior. I'll stop ranting now. Best Wishes Steven Mlodinow Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: New Ducks, Geese, and Swans Book From: Ian Paulsen <birdbooker(AT)ZIPCON.NET> Date: 30 Jun 2005 11:33am HI: To me OUP stands for OUch Prices! I don't think many birders are going to run (or is it fly) out and by the set at $275 US! -- Ian Paulsen Bainbridge Island, WA, USA A.K.A.: "Birdbooker" "Rallidae all the way!" Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html

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