B-Mail(sm): ID-FRONTIERS for July 1-9, 2005

[ << | >> | ^^ ]

Subject: An interesting tern in Mississippi.
From: Stephen Dinsmore <sdinsmore(AT)CFR.MSSTATE.EDU>
Date: 1 Jul 2005 12:13pm

Hi all-

	Yesterday (30 June 2005) I photographed an interesting medium-sized Sterna
while visiting a large Sandwich and Royal Tern colony in coastal Mississippi.
I've posted three photos of this bird at
http://www2.msstate.edu/~sd122/Home/Mystery%20tern; unfortunately the bird
disappeared before I could obtain additional images. I have a hunch about the
identity of this individual, but admittedly have little experience with the more
 southerly populations of Sandwich Tern (S. s. eurygnatha) and Elegant Tern.
Thus, I would appreciate any feedback on the identity of this bird.

Steve
**************************************
Stephen J. Dinsmore
Department of Wildlife and Fisheries
Mississippi State University
Box 9690/257 Thompson Hall
Mississippi State, MS 39762
662-325-8141 (office)
662-325-8726 (fax)
sdinsmore(AT)cfr.msstate.edu (email)
http://www2.msstate.edu/~sd122/Home/index.html (web)

Address for overnight courier mail:
Mississippi State University
Room 110 Thompson Hall
100 Stone Boulevard
Mississippi State, MS 39762-9690

Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01

Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html

[ << | >> | ^^ ]

Subject: Re: An interesting tern in Mississippi.
From: Jeff Bouton <jbouton2(AT)EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 1 Jul 2005 2:15pm

Steve and all,

Since 1999, one or more Elegant Terns has been present off the Gulf Coast
near St. Petersburg, FL. Beginning in 2000 (perhaps earlier) the Elegent
Tern and subsequent offspring have bred with Sandwich Terns in a colony
here. Each summer/fall Sept/Oct young hybrids have been encountered in this
area. This further complicates the issue as there may be a number of these
oddballs flying around out there as well. As a result, we go through similar
debates over birds here each fall. As I recall there was similar debate over
a bird in TX in Nov. 2001 as I recall. I have no personal experience with
"Cayenne" Terns (S.s. eurygnatha), but what I've managed to maintain from
previous exchanges is that Cayenne Terns, typically do not appear to have
orange in the bill, instead varying amounts of yellow mixed with black. If
this is the case, the dull orange bill color suggests at least some Elegant
Tern blood. What I'm not certain about though, is the dull coloration of the
bill. My limited experience with Elegant Terns and these experiences with
hybrid Elegant x Sandwich Terns lead me to believe that a pure Elegant Tern
would never show dusky bill coloration like this bird. You can see the
comparative brightness of the orange coloration of the surrounding Royal
Terns that are in the same light.

As such, I'd suggest this is likely a hybrid Elegant x Sandwich Tern as the
bill coloration seems outside of the range for both typical Elegant and
"Cayenne" Terns.

Pics and comments on some of the FL Elegant (elegant type) terns can be
found at:
http://home.earthlink.net/~bonniedabird/elegant_tern.htm

To read commentary on these pairings and see many photos including a male
Elegant type copulating with a female Sandwich, numerous hybrids including
an adult hybrid feeding a juvenal plumaged 2nd or 3rd generation bird go to
the archives of Florida's Birdbrains
http://listserv.admin.usf.edu/listserv/wa.exe?S1=brdbrain
and search
Subject: "Elegant Tern"
From: June 2001
To: July 2005

You will get 41 hits to aid in further research on this topic.

Best,

Jeff Bouton
Leica Sport Optics
Port Charlotte, FL
jbouton2(AT)earthlink.net

Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01

Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html

[ << | >> | ^^ ]

Subject: Re: An interesting tern in Mississippi.
From: DOEFAMILY(AT)AOL.COM
Date: 1 Jul 2005 2:27pm

----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION----

Stephen  and all,

Let me preface this with the acknowledgement that I don't have any  
experience with "Cayenne" Tern, and it has been a few years since I saw many
Elegant
Terns, but as I look at the pictures, I'm not drawn towards an ID  of Elegant. 
As I recall Elegant Terns, the bill is a brighter orange or  orange-yellow, 
not dingy as in this bird. Also, Elegant Tern usually has a  pronounced "droop"
to the bill. There may be a hint of that in this bird, but  not as I remember. 
The head molt also seems to be quite advanced for an Elegant  Tern at this 
time of year. I would expect maybe some white flecking on the  forehead, but not
as much white as this bird shows. 

Could this be an example of a Southern Hemisphere "Cayenne" Tern? My  
Harrison "Seabirds" has them breeding down to Rio De Janeiro. For a "southern"
bird
it would be the dead of winter, and that might match the plumage  better.

Stephen, did you happen to observe leg/foot color?

BOB DOE
Spring Branch, TX

Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01

Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html

----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----

[ << | >> | ^^ ]

Subject: Interesting Tern
From: sgmlod(AT)AOL.COM
Date: 1 Jul 2005 4:04pm

----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION----

Greetings All

I hope Alvaro J is around to comment on this bird.

Some Cayenne Terns do have orange bills. Saw one such bird on Aruba this spring.
 Really tried to work it into an Elegant, but it was the same size as the nearby
 Cayennes and had a short crest, similar bill, etc. Per Floyd Hayes' article in
North American Birds, there are orange-billed Cayennes, mostly in the S.
Atlantic population, which is migratory.

A couple observations:
Most Cayenne/Sandwich Terns had clear black areas, not vague dusky ones.
Cayenne Terns, per my memory, do not have a long shaggy crest like this bird
does.
A lost bird may be in a weird molt. Indeed, this bird may never have attained
alternate plumage this year.

Cheers
Steven Mlodinow

Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01

Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html

----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----

[ << | >> | ^^ ]

Subject: Re: An interesting tern in Mississippi.
From: Floyd Hayes <floyd_hayes(AT)YAHOO.COM>
Date: 2 Jul 2005 9:36am

Given the possibility of hybrid origin I don't think
this bird's identity can be confirmed, but I don't see
anything inconsistent with it being a Cayenne-type
Tern from the Caribbean. It appears to be in prebasic
molt so I don't think it could be from the southern
South American population. Similar looking terns in
the US Virgin Islands had acquired white foreheads by
late June and early July 2003, and some had
orange-tinged bills. See photos at:

http://www.geocities.com/secaribbirds/idsandwichcayennetern.html

Incidentally, this website limits the number of data
transferred per hour so if you can't get through try
again later.

Floyd E. Hayes
Associate Professor of Biology
Department of Biology, Pacific Union College
1 Angwin Ave., Angwin, CA 94508, USA
Tel: 707-965-6401; Fax: 707-965-7577
Website: http://www.geocities.com/floyd_hayes

Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01

Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html

[ << | >> | ^^ ]

Subject: Prairie X Yellow Warbler Hybrids
From: Don Cecile <dcecile(AT)TELUS.NET>
Date: 3 Jul 2005 8:56am

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION----

Recently, a bird was photographed in the Vancouver BC area that appears =
to be a hybrid Yellow X Prairie Warbler.
I am curious about this hybrid combination.  This bird is a male and has =
faint maroon breast markings of Yellow yet it has  a dark black line =
over bill to below its eye, a  thin black line behind the eye and a hint =
of a black line above the eye.  It is also rather greenish with gray =
wings.  Assuming this is the correct identification, is this hybrid =
combination very frequent? =20
Although no vocalizations were described for this bird, I suspect it may =
be the result of a misplaced Prairie Warbler that could not find a mate =
and as a result, settled for a Yellow Warbler.  It would seem extremely =
unlikely that an eastern pairing of these two would result in a western =
occurrence of such a hybrid....

I would appreciate any information on this combination or on the =
identification of this odd bird.
If you are interested in photos of the bird see: =
http://members.shaw.ca/tshermer/birds/2005-06-19/

Cheers,

Don 

Join or Leave BIRDWG01:
http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3Dbirdwg01

Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html

----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----

[ << | >> | ^^ ]

Subject: [Tweeters] odd Murrelet (fwd)
From: Ian Paulsen <birdbooker(AT)ZIPCON.NET>
Date: 3 Jul 2005 9:41am

HI:
 This is in Washington State, any ideas?

-- 
Ian Paulsen
Bainbridge Island, WA, USA
A.K.A.: "Birdbooker"
"Rallidae all the way!"

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:37:49 -0700
From: Ball <nigelball(AT)bainbridge.net>
To: Tweeters <tweeters(AT)u.washington.edu>
Subject: [Tweeters] odd Murrelet

Hi,

There was an odd Murrelet seen very well just off shore at the lighthouse at
Point Flagler on Marrowstone Island yesterday. The main features were:
* very short bill (looked shorter than the typical Marbled)
* very distinct, well-defined white undertail coverts
* golden brown color (lighter than, for example, Rhino Auklet)
* white speckled scaps

At the time I assumed it was an odd Marbled, but later I looked in the
book...

To be fair, alcids are a lot more varied than the books show; it did not
appear to be a particularly small bird; and it did have a darker accent to
the top of the head (but some photos of Kittlitz's seem to show that).

I'm not claiming a record, but the alcidophiles out there might want to
check out murrelets. (Actually, alcidophiles always check out Murrelets).
Perhaps I'll go back and see if it is still there.

Happy birding,

Nigel Ball
Bainbridge Island

_______________________________________________
Tweeters mailing list
Tweeters(AT)u.washington.edu
http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters

Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01

Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html

[ << | >> | ^^ ]

Subject: Interesting Tern in Mississippi.
From: Larry Manfredi <birderlm(AT)BELLSOUTH.NET>
Date: 3 Jul 2005 9:45am

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION----

Here are a couple of photos that I dug up of an Elegant type tern from the
Dry Tortugas, the photos were taken in late April about 2-years ago.

http://www.southfloridabirding.com/ET1.jpg

http://www.southfloridabirding.com/ET2.jpg

These photos are similar looking to the Mississippi bird; perhaps this bird
and the Mississippi bird are an Elegant/Sandwich Tern?

Larry Manfredi
Homestead, FL.
E-mail:  birderlm(AT)bellsouth.net <mailto:birderlm(AT)bellsouth.net>
http://www.southfloridabirding.com <http://www.southfloridabirding.com/>

Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01

Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html

----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----

[ << | >> | ^^ ]

Subject: Fw: [BirdsinRussia] 6 photos of 2 unidentified
         gulls in N-W Pacific - April 2005
From: "Norman D.van Swelm" <Norman.vanswelm(AT)wxs.nl>
Date: 6 Jul 2005 5:09am

Dear friends,
Jevgeni Shergalin has requested help for identifying two gulls seen and 
photographed in the NW Pacific. If you fail to get through the yahoo barrier 
I can send you the pictures too.
All the best, Norman

 > -----Original Message-----
> From: BirdsinRussia(AT)yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BirdsinRussia(AT)yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jevgeni Shergalin
> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 7:05 AM
> To: BirdsinRussia(AT)yahoogroups.co
> Subject: [BirdsinRussia] 6 photos of 2 unidentified gulls in N-W Pacific
> - April 2005
>
> Dear all,
>
> On behalf of friend of mine and colleague Dr.Yuri Artyukhin from Kamchatka
> today I have uploaded 6 photos of 2 unidentified gulls by him (3 photos of
> each bird) which might be viewed at:
>
> http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/BirdsinRussia/lst   on the second 
> page
> - photos Nr.18-23
> these photoshots were taken in April this year in N-W Pacific Ocean.
>
> Any comments are appreciated. Yuri suspect one bird as a hybrid and the
> second one as a new species for Russia. That's why any opinions would be
> most welcomed.
>
> With best regards
>
> Jevgeni Shergalin      zoolit(AT)hotmail.com

Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01

Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html

[ << | >> | ^^ ]

Subject: contact with FL birder and Elegant-type hybrid
         terns.
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pierre-Andr=E9_CROCHET?= <pierre-andre.crochet(AT)CEFE.CNRS.FR>
Date: 7 Jul 2005 1:13am

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION----

Dear all,=0D

I'm currently investigating the occurrence of suspected Sandwich X Elegant =
terns hybrids superficially similar (very similar actually) to Elegant Tern=
s. Such birds have been claimed from Florida (see Jeff Bouton's recent post=
ing on this list). These birds might be crucial to understanding the situat=
ion with Elegant and Elegant-type terns in Europe. =0D

I'm thus trying to contact Lyn Atherton, a birder from Florida. Anyone can =
help? =0D

If you have additional information on such hybrids, please contact me also.=
=0D

Thanks in advance,=0D

Pierre  =0D

Pierre-Andr=E9 Crochet=0D
CNRS-UMR 5175 Centre d'Ecologie Fonctionnelle et Evolutive=0D
1919, route de Mende=0D
34293 Montpellier cedex 5=0D
France=0D
tel: + 33 6 07 32 60 75 (mobile)=0D
     + 33 4 67 61 32 98 (office)=0D
fax: + 33 4 67 41 21 38=0D
pierre-andre.crochet(AT)cefe.cnrs.fr=0D

--=20
passerelle antivirus du campus CNRS de Montpellier
--

Join or Leave BIRDWG01:
http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3Dbirdwg01

Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html

----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----

[ << | >> | ^^ ]

Subject: 'Plegadis' ibis in eastern PA
From: Dave DeReamus <becard(AT)FAST.NET>
Date: 7 Jul 2005 9:25am

Hi all,

For several days now, we've had a juvenile 'Plegadis' ibis at a local
flooded field in eastern PA.  The bird has several small white 'patches' on
the throat and a single white spot above each eye.  The closest thing that I
have seen to represent this is the Sibley representation of a juvenile
White-faced Ibis.  Now, I'm not saying that I think this IS a White-faced,
but the white 'patches' on the throat is something that I've never noticed
before.  They are not 'streaked' like most of my sources show.  And, my lack
of other sources doesn't help the situation any.

Am I assuming correctly that this is just a strange juvenile Glossy Ibis
plumage?  I've never noticed it before among the ones I've seen along the
coast, but maybe I just didn't look good enough.  Since the young birds of
the two species are supposedly nearly identical at that age, I'm assuming
that this bird is a young Glossy since that would be the "expected" bird
here.  However, it's only "expected" (and even then it's a rarity here) when
there are easterly winds bringing stragglers from the Mid-Atlantic coast.
We hadn't had any such conditions like that to send this bird here, but it
is a young bird, so . . . .

It's interesting that the white spots around the eye coincide with where
they would be on an adult White-faced.  Is this just a coincidence?
Probably, since even a first winter bird doesn't have any of the white
feathering around the eye.  I looked long and hard at the eye and legs of
the bird to make sure there wasn't any hint of White-faced on them, but I
don't think these differentiating points would show up at this time of year
anyway.

I have two photos of the bird posted on my "Eastern PA Birding" Website.
The direct link to them is:
http://www.users.fast.net/~becard/index6.html#Glossy%20Ibis-1.jpg.
Can anyone out there shed some light on this?  I'd really appreciate any
feedback.

Thanks and Good Birding,

Dave DeReamus
Compiler of the 'Eastern PA Birdline'
Easton, PA
becard(AT)fast.net
My 'Eastern PA Birding' Website:
http://www.users.fast.net/~becard/index.html

Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01

Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html

[ << | >> | ^^ ]

Subject: Re: 'Plegadis' ibis in eastern PA
From: Kevin Karlson <karlson3(AT)COMCAST.NET>
Date: 8 Jul 2005 9:30am

Re: juvenile 'aberrant' Ibis in e. PA.
Dave and all,
I have seen a number of juvenile Glossy Ibis with the same white 
markings on the throat and face in and around Cape May NJ during the 
last twenty years. It is not an aberrant individual, as I have 
photographed a number of these juveniles after wondering why the white 
feathering was present.They typically show these white feathers in July 
and August, but I cannot recall seeing this appearance after this time. 
David also shows both White-faced and Glossy showing these white 
feathers in the Sibley Guide. The white feathering is not uniform in all 
juveniles, with extent and location of white feathers variable from bird 
to bird. I am not sure what the physiological reasons are for this white 
feathering in juveniles, but it is not an aberrant bird.   Kevin Karlson

Dave DeReamus wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>For several days now, we've had a juvenile 'Plegadis' ibis at a local
>flooded field in eastern PA.  The bird has several small white 'patches' on
>the throat and a single white spot above each eye.  The closest thing that I
>have seen to represent this is the Sibley representation of a juvenile
>White-faced Ibis.  Now, I'm not saying that I think this IS a White-faced,
>but the white 'patches' on the throat is something that I've never noticed
>before.  They are not 'streaked' like most of my sources show.  And, my lack
>of other sources doesn't help the situation any.
>
>Am I assuming correctly that this is just a strange juvenile Glossy Ibis
>plumage?  I've never noticed it before among the ones I've seen along the
>coast, but maybe I just didn't look good enough.  Since the young birds of
>the two species are supposedly nearly identical at that age, I'm assuming
>that this bird is a young Glossy since that would be the "expected" bird
>here.  However, it's only "expected" (and even then it's a rarity here) when
>there are easterly winds bringing stragglers from the Mid-Atlantic coast.
>We hadn't had any such conditions like that to send this bird here, but it
>is a young bird, so . . . .
>
>It's interesting that the white spots around the eye coincide with where
>they would be on an adult White-faced.  Is this just a coincidence?
>Probably, since even a first winter bird doesn't have any of the white
>feathering around the eye.  I looked long and hard at the eye and legs of
>the bird to make sure there wasn't any hint of White-faced on them, but I
>don't think these differentiating points would show up at this time of year
>anyway.
>
>I have two photos of the bird posted on my "Eastern PA Birding" Website.
>The direct link to them is:
>http://www.users.fast.net/~becard/index6.html#Glossy%20Ibis-1.jpg.
>Can anyone out there shed some light on this?  I'd really appreciate any
>feedback.
>
>Thanks and Good Birding,
>
>Dave DeReamus
>Compiler of the 'Eastern PA Birdline'
>Easton, PA
>becard(AT)fast.net
>My 'Eastern PA Birding' Website:
>http://www.users.fast.net/~becard/index.html
>
>
>Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01
>
>Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html
>
>
>  
>

Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01

Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html

[ << | >> | ^^ ]

Subject: Re: 'Plegadis' ibis in eastern PA
From: Dave DeReamus <becard(AT)FAST.NET>
Date: 8 Jul 2005 10:12am

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Karlson" <karlson3(AT)COMCAST.NET>

> I have seen a number of juvenile Glossy Ibis with the same white
> markings on the throat and face in and around Cape May NJ during the
> last twenty years. It is not an aberrant individual, as I have
> photographed a number of these juveniles after wondering why the white
> feathering was present.They typically show these white feathers in July
> and August, but I cannot recall seeing this appearance after this time.
> David also shows both White-faced and Glossy showing these white
> feathers in the Sibley Guide. The white feathering is not uniform in all
> juveniles, with extent and location of white feathers variable from bird
> to bird. I am not sure what the physiological reasons are for this white
> feathering in juveniles, but it is not an aberrant bird.   Kevin Karlson
=====================

Hi Kevin and all others who have responded,

Thanks for the replies.

Another PA birder told me that same plumage is portrayed in the latest
edition of the Geo guide.  I had my old 2nd edition in the car with me at
the time and never thought to look in my new 4th edition.  Duh!  I did not
think that it was an aberrant plumage and figured that it most likely was a
Glossy but didn't want to leave a potential first state record of a
White-faced go without even taking the time to ask for other opinions.

Another birder sent me the link to a bird with a similar plumages on Angus
Wilson's site.  It's at http://www.oceanwanderers.com/GlossyIbis2.html if
you're interested.

Thanks again and Good Birding,

Dave
becard(AT)fast.net
My 'Eastern PA Birding' Website:
http://www.users.fast.net/~becard/index.html

Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01

Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html

[ << | >> | ^^ ]

Subject: The most comprehensive atlas at a discount price
         (non-profit)
From: Michel Bertrand <bertrmi(AT)colba.net>
Date: 9 Jul 2005 12:46pm

Hi,

The "Atlas of the Breeding Birds of Southern Qu�bec" is a monumental book
which has been published in French in 1995 and in English in 1996. That's
an essential source of information about the Qu�bec avifauna and related
subjects. One of the most comprehensive bird atlases in the World, the 1302
pages book includes, aside the species by species very complete treatment,
other detailed chapters about the ornithological history, the concerned
area (physiography, hydrography, climate, glaciations, subregions, soils,
vegetation, wet habitats), the effects of Man presence on the environment,
its natural modifications, the preservation of the environment, the
methodology, the bird taxonomy, the bird diversity according to habitats
and some other subjects. And the atlas includes maps for each species,
graphs, tables plus more than 1400 photos and some 5000 references. The
book has been edited by Jean Gauthier & Yves Aubry, but is in fact the
collective work of the Qu�bec ornithological community (including
ornithologists and birders) which has provided the contents. The datas are
coming from near to 1000 contributors and have been taken to the published
form by almost 130 writers. The French edition is now out of print. Copies
of the English edition are remaining and must be sold quickly because it is
expensive for the AQGO (the Association qu�b�coise des groupes
d'ornithologues), a non-profit organization, to keep them in a warehouse.
That's why, we are offering them at the third of the original price what
means 50$can (60,99$can with GST and shipping) instead of 150$ (167,94$ all
included).

If you are interested, go to http://www.aqgo.qc.ca/ and click on the link
in English (the second one on the page) to obtain all the details about how
to order the atlas.

There will not be a updated edition before many years. The essential work
which would lead to it is still not planned.

I think I can post that message here because it is more an information
which can be of interest for birders than a business message and because
all the profits, going in a special funds managed by AQGO, will be used to
sustain projects relevant to bird protection.

Good birding...

     MICHEL BERTRAND, pr�sident
     Association qu�b�coise des groupes d'ornithologues
     4545, Pierre-de-Coubertin [c.p. 1000, succ. M]
     Montr�al, Qc - H1V 3R2
     bertrmi(AT)colba.net

Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01

Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html

[ << | >> | ^^ ]

Subject: crow mouth linings
From: Ian Paulsen <birdbooker(AT)ZIPCON.NET>
Date: 9 Jul 2005 8:21pm

HI:
 In Pyle's 1997 book on the identification of North American Birds he
mentions that the month lining color in American Crows is pink vs orange
in NWern Crows (juveniles only). Does anyone know the colors of ADULT crow
mouth linings?

-- 
Ian Paulsen
Bainbridge Island, WA, USA
A.K.A.: "Birdbooker"
"Rallidae all the way!"

Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01

Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html

The Virtual Birder

ID-FRONTIERS for July 1-9, 2005

Send feedback on these pages to: BMail@greatblue.com
B-Mail Message Content Disclaimer
Layout Copyright © 1999-2001 Great Blue Media Works
Last Updated: Friday, November 2, 2007 11:40am MT

The Virtual Birder

ID-FRONTIERS for July 1-9, 2005

Send feedback on these pages to: BMail@greatblue.com B-Mail Message Content Disclaimer Layout Copyright © 1999-2001 Great Blue Media Works Last Updated: Friday, November 2, 2007 11:40am MT

Send feedback on these pages to: BMail@greatblue.com
B-Mail Message Content Disclaimer
Layout Copyright © 1999-2001 Great Blue Media Works
Last Updated: Friday, November 2, 2007 11:40am MT