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Subject: Re: phalarope leg coloration
From: Rex Stanford <calidris(AT)MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: 28 Aug 2005 5:19am
It seems to me that the bill shape, as revealed at close range in Bryan
Guarente's fourth photo, going down the page, should resolve the question of
species (along with the appearance of other parts of the bird) being
Red-necked or Red Phalarope. Red Phalaropes have a bill that appears more
tubular, more broadly based, and more blunt ended than Red-necked, which has
a much thinner-appearing bill with a finer, less blunt end. The bill on
this bird, as shown in the fourth and final, relatively close-range, photo,
seems perfect for Red-necked Phalarope (i.e., prototypical for that
species), whereas it seems very far off base for Red Phalarope. I can
certainly understand why Bryan labeled this a Red-necked Phalarope on the
website but raised a question about leg color.
Rex Stanford
Westbury, Nassau County, Long Island, NY
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From: "Bryan Guarente" <dafekt1ve(AT)YAHOO.COM>
To: <BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:37 AM
Subject: [BIRDWG01] phalarope leg coloration
> I recently observed a phalarope in east central Illinois that looked
> good in almost all respects, as far as I could tell, for a red-necked
> phalarope. The only part of this bird that threw me off was the leg
> coloration. I saw this bird in flight 4 separate times and each time I
> was blown away by the fact that the bird had yellow legs, something I
> had never associated with red-necked phalarope. I have heard of a
> reference to red-necked phalarope juveniles (maybe fledglings, this was
> unclear to me) having yellow legs and sometimes retaining this feature
> into early september. Is this something others have seen? Along the
> same lines, has anyone seen or heard of drastically different
> (aberrant) leg colorations in phalaropes into adult plumages (I know
> charadriiformes are rather variable in most cases, but do not know
> specifics about this feature in phalaropes)? Any other ideas on this
> would be great too (hybrid anyone?).
>
> I have some VERY POOR quality photos (heat waves, midday light,
> distant, but still photos) that do not end up showing the yellow leg
> coloration, only a lighter coloration... i.e. not black legs. I am 99%
> sure that the leg color was yellow. I apologize here for the poor
> quality of the photos. I have posted them to a website here:
>
> http://www.atmos.uiuc.edu/~bguaren2/phalarope/index.html
>
> Any responses you may have to this query would be fantastic either to
> the list or privately. Thanks in advance for responses.
>
> Bryan Guarente
> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
> Atmospheric Sciences Graduate Assistant
> Champaign, IL
>
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Subject: Re: Your opinion of this Jaeger...
From: Phillip Pickering <philliplc(AT)HARBORSIDE.COM>
Date: 29 Aug 2005 10:02pm
>I don't see any real reason to debate the identity of the WV jaeger -- it
is
an adult-like Long-tailed
In addition to what Tony mentioned the frontal skull shape is
apparently diagnostic for Long-tailed in this shot. Parasitic
have a more elongated frontal skull and seem to consistently lack
such obvious rounded concave areas in front of the eyes (blunt,
pinched look to the face between the eyes typical of Long-tailed).
http://wvbirder.com/mto9/ltja1.jpg
Cheers,
Phil
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Subject: Paul R Wood/UK/TLS/PwC is out of the office.
From: Paul Wood <paul.r.wood(AT)uk.pwc.com>
Date: 30 Aug 2005 12:23am
I will be out of the office from 30/08/2005 until 05/09/2005.
I am away from the office from Monday 29 August to Friday 2 September 2005
inclusive, returning to the office on Monday 5 September 2005. I will not
have access to my e-mail during this time and will respond to your message
when I return to the office. If you require assistance in the meantime,
please call my secretary, Angela Moore, on 020 7212 3029.
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Subject: contact info for Jack L Griggs?
From: Spencer Schaffner <spiegel(AT)U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Date: 30 Aug 2005 5:24am
I'm writing a book chapter about rhetoric and the environment and hoping to
include a discussion and image from Jack L. Griggs' field guide _All The
Birds of North America_.
His publisher has been unable to provide correct contact info -- anyone on
this list have contact info for Jack Griggs?
Much appreciated!
Spencer Schaffner
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Spencer Schaffner
Center for Writing Studies
University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
https://metaspencer.com
spencers(AT)uiuc.edu
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Subject: bill visible in IBWO video?
From: Jason Rogers <hawkowl(AT)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 30 Aug 2005 10:44am
Shortly after the announcement of the rediscovery of the Ivory-billed
Woodpecker, I examined the Luneau video and noticed what appeared to be the
bird's bill or a portion thereof in one of the frames.
I e-mailed John Fitzpatrick and the other authors of the Science article to
essentially ask if I was "seeing things." David Luneau responded and told
me that he was unable to the see the bill in the video. I wasn't terribly
surprised by this given how faint the spot I suspected to be the bill was.
However I continue to watch the video and still believe that there is
evidence of a pale bill in it. I would like to see what some other birders
have to think of this evidence.
In the supporting online material for the Science Magazine article
(http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/1114103/DC1), scroll down to
Fig. S3 (the video fields). I believe that there is evidence of a pale bill
in the frame labeled "250." In this frame, we see extensively white wings
spread over a black body. The black body appears to extend to the right of
the large white patch to form the bird's head. At the upper right margin of
the head, there is a small pale spot similar in tone to that of the tree
behind the bird. Could this small pale spot be the bill or a part of it?
I think it is easy to dismiss the spot as just a highlight on the tree bark.
However when the video in watched in slow motion, one begins to question
whether the spot in actually part of the bird.
I'd be interested in feedback on this. Thanks.
Regards,
Jason Rogers
Banff, AB
hawkowl(AT)hotmail.com
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Subject: Re: bill visible in IBWO video?
From: Jason Rogers <hawkowl(AT)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 30 Aug 2005 8:01pm
My last message should have also mentioned that the pale spot that may be
the bird's bill differs slightly in color from the bark of the tree behind
the bird. While the bark takes on various shades of purplish-gray
(depending on whether there are highlights present), the pale spot is a
yellowish-gray, a color consistent with that of the bill of IBWO. This
difference is slight but should be detectable with a good monitor.
Regards,
Jason Rogers
Banff, AB
hawkowl(AT)hotmail.com
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