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ID-FRONTIERS for January 14-20, 2007

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 Subject From Date  Time 
 Vagrancy: Causes and Results  SGMlod(AT)AOL.COM  Sun, 14 Jan 2007  4:54pm 
 More on Migration  SGMlod(AT)AOL.COM  Sun, 14 Jan 2007  5:12pm 
 Re: On vagrancy  SGMlod(AT)AOL.COM  Sun, 14 Jan 2007  5:14pm 
 Re: On vagrancy  SGMlod(AT)AOL.COM  Sun, 14 Jan 2007  5:20pm 
 Re: On Broad-billed Hummingbird Vagrancy  SGMlod(AT)AOL.COM  Sun, 14 Jan 2007  5:29pm 
 Strange Utah Gull  Tim Avery   Sun, 14 Jan 2007  6:44pm 
 possible Thayer's Gull, Daytona Beach FL  Robert Wallace   Sun, 14 Jan 2007  7:14pm 
 Vireo photo from South Florida  Larry Manfredi   Sun, 14 Jan 2007  7:54pm 
 Re: Strange Utah Gull  Ben Coulter   Sun, 14 Jan 2007  8:03pm 
 Re: Vireo photo from South Florida  Julian Hough   Sun, 14 Jan 2007  8:14pm 
 South American Tern?  Gunnar Engblom   Mon, 15 Jan 2007  12:22am 
 Re: South American Tern?  Gunnar Engblom   Mon, 15 Jan 2007  9:56pm 
 Perigrine falcon  Norman D.van Swelm  Wed, 17 Jan 2007  12:20pm 
 Re: Perigrine falcon  Allen Chartier   Wed, 17 Jan 2007  1:39pm 
 Re: Perigrine falcon  James P. Smith  Wed, 17 Jan 2007  2:24pm 
 Perigrine falcon  Norman D.van Swelm  Wed, 17 Jan 2007  4:05pm 
 Ageing American Kestrels  Peter Pyle   Wed, 17 Jan 2007  4:34pm 
 Vega type Gulls  David Vander Pluym   Wed, 17 Jan 2007  5:09pm 
 website on heuglin's gulls  Mars Muusse   Fri, 19 Jan 2007  3:51pm 
 Odd Gull, Oregon  DJLauten and KACaste  Sat, 20 Jan 2007  10:38am 
 hybrid or aberrant warbler in Panama  Martin Reid   Sat, 20 Jan 2007  11:07am 
 Re: Interesting gull in Michigan  Allen Chartier   Sat, 20 Jan 2007  11:23am 
 Possible Least Storm-Petrel in Lima  Gunnar Engblom   Sat, 20 Jan 2007  11:28am 
 More Utah Gulls  Tim Avery   Sat, 20 Jan 2007  3:48pm 
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[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Vagrancy: Causes and Results From: SGMlod(AT)AOL.COM Date: 14 Jan 2007 4:54pm ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Greetings All Just back from a lovely week in Baja and trying to digest assorted comments. We should not forget the master vagrater, Cattle Egret. There is a reason this bird occurs almost across the globe, an apparent increased inborn tendency to vagrate. In this species, the tendency seems non-directional, for the most part (as opposed to mirror image or 180 degree misorientation, which appear to be inborn genetic errors). In any case, Cattle Egret first arrived in the the Americas as a vagrant, and seems to have done quite well. Additionally, in Birds of Northern Melanesia, Mayr and Diamond actually attempt to quantify a species tendency to vagrate and discuss this as it relates to both range expansion and speciation. Should be required reading for anyone interested in vagrant birds and biogeography. Also, in DeSante's (and other's at PRBP) work, he found that eastern "vagrant" warblers tended to occur irrespective of weather (relatively speaking) and not necessarily with the big landfalls of "normal" western species -- those landfalls tended to be distinctly weather related, the vagrant occurrences much less so. Finally, he found that caged "normal" warblers tried to head back to the coast - the "reoriented." The "vagrant" warblers tended to continue their misorientation to the southwest, which would take them out to sea. So, in DeSante's work, something other than weather caused these birds to stray, at least in most cases. There are cases where weather clearly has played a role. I wrote an article with Feldstein and Tweit about weather and the BT Curlew landfall; Patten and Unitt? wrote a nice article on the impulse of southeastern passerines in CA in 1992. On to more emails. I hope I haven't repeated what others have already said. Cheers Steven Mlodinow Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: More on Migration From: SGMlod(AT)AOL.COM Date: 14 Jan 2007 5:12pm ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Greetings All A couple more points. First - terminology. There is migration and dispersal. Dispersal is mostly non-directional, as engaged by Cattle Egrets post-breeding, Red Crossbills, etc. Also, I like to use Bertholdt's definitions (Bird Migration by Bertholdt-- I think I am spelling his name correctly-- is a must for anyone interested in bird migration). Reverse Migration (as defined by Bertholdt) is when a bird flies (typically) a short distance back the way it came to find habitat. We used to see this on the Chicago lakefront. Large numbers of birds moving north in fall looking for suitable habitat at daylight, presumably. FT Flycatcher in US is by one of two mechanisms depending on season. Birds in our fall are birds that flew north instead of south during the Austral spring and would be labelled "180 degree misorientation" - note that misorientation is used for birds showing a great departure from that species' normal patterns. Birds occurring during our spring are fall "overshoot" migrants that have continued to migrate after the normal "off button" should have sent the signal to stop migrating. The vast majority of these birds are first year birds, and the implication is that there is some sort of inborn error. Finally, the big Cave Swallow displacements seem to largely weather related as shown by one or two articles in North American Birds. I think that there is a mixture of causes. Also, for some reason as Nik hinted at, some species seem more prone to in-born errors and others less so. It also seems that this is likely true for weather-induced vagrancy. Cheers Steven Mlodinow Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: On vagrancy From: SGMlod(AT)AOL.COM Date: 14 Jan 2007 5:14pm ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Hello Again RTPipits may be a great example requiring weather and misorientation. The misorientation sends them across the Pacific, but for them to make it to the North American shore, they need sufficient tailwinds. Cheers Steve Mlodinow Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: On vagrancy From: SGMlod(AT)AOL.COM Date: 14 Jan 2007 5:20pm ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Greetings All David's point is well taken, but one must not forget that the burst in Cave Swallow vagrancy to the NE coincided with a boom in the overall population. Veit published a paper a number of years back (in the Auk, I believe) that looked at vagrancy of several western species to Massachusetts (or perhaps it was New England as a whole) and breeding success. The two were linked. Increased young produced, increased vagrants that fall. I have a hard time believing that the Cave Swallows that appear late in fall in the northeast have a better survival rate than their fellows that didn't. And though species don't "choose" a strategy, it is interesting to ponder that some species do have a much greater tendency to disperse or misorient than others. Cheers Steve Mlodinow Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: On Broad-billed Hummingbird Vagrancy From: SGMlod(AT)AOL.COM Date: 14 Jan 2007 5:29pm ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Greetings Again Sorry to ramble on I think vagrancy can lead to range expansion, and does so more often than we think. The interior of North America is becoming part of the normal range of Pac Loon, albeit in relatively small numbers. I think that a certain number of these birds always wandered to the interior, but the development of damned reservoirs, etc have created habitat for these birds to survive -- and the increasing numbers (undoubtedly partly due to observer effort) implies that they are surviving and passing on their genes causing some degree of population shift, much like that of Blackcap in Europe, albeit at a much smaller scale. It is interesting to see that this is also happening with YBLO on an even smaller scale, but does NOT seem to be happening much with RT Loon. Why is RTLO different? I do wonder. The new "habitat" created by hummingbird feeders in the southeast has done the same thing with hummingbirds. At least those are my utterly unsupported-by-date thoughts Cheers SteveM Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Strange Utah Gull From: Tim Avery <tanager(AT)TIMAVERYBIRDING.COM> Date: 14 Jan 2007 6:44pm This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Here's another for all the laruphiles to ponder. This afternoon Dave = Slager, Colby Neuman and I located this bird in Salt Lake County, Utah. = It was foraging on a compost heap with around 100 RBGU and several = California Gulls. At first glance the white primaries on just one wing = were what was odd about this bird. However, the leg color, heavy = smudging on the head, slightly heavier bill, and larger head together = add up to one weird bird. Take a look: http://timaverybirding.com/strange_gull/gull.html What could create all these abnormalities on one bird? I can't even = begin to imagine a hybrid, so what's the deal? Thanks in advance for your responses. Cheers, Tim Avery http://www.timaverybirding.com http://www.birdtography.com=20 Salt Lake City, Utah "I cannot help but think a curious event is this life of mine." - John James Audubon Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3Dbirdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: possible Thayer's Gull, Daytona Beach FL From: Robert Wallace <chnuts(AT)YAHOO.COM> Date: 14 Jan 2007 7:14pm ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Greetings - On Thursday I photographed this gull at the Volusia County Land= fill, near Daytona Beach FL. My original thought was that this bird was a = Kumlien's Gull, because of its overall very light coloration, but several p= eople have suggested that the bird may in fact be a pale Thayer's Gull, bec= ause of the darkness of the brown coloration and silver lining of the prima= ries. The only 1st winter Thayer's I have seen personally was much creamie= r brown as a base coloration in the breast and head, and there are many pic= tures on the web supporting this, but there is a picture in Olsen and Lars= son (#288) that is pale like this bird. I believe the bird may be in the m= iddle between Thayers and Kumliens in the Iceland-Kumliens-Thayers cline.= =0A=0Ahttp://www.pbase.com/chnuts/volusia_dump_1-11-07=0A=0AThank you in ad= vance for your comments,=0A=0AR. D. Wallace=0ANew Smyrna Beach FL=0A=0A Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3Dbirdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Vireo photo from South Florida From: Larry Manfredi <birderlm(AT)BELLSOUTH.NET> Date: 14 Jan 2007 7:54pm Here are a few photos I took today here in South Florida in the village of Pinecrest of a vireo. Any comments would be welcomed. http://www.southfloridabirding.com/images/tasphotos/vireoDSC_0763.jpg http://www.southfloridabirding.com/images/tasphotos/vireo2DSC_0766.jpg http://www.southfloridabirding.com/images/tasphotos/vireo3DSC_0769.jpg http://www.southfloridabirding.com/images/tasphotos/vireo5DSC_0771.jpg Larry Manfredi Homestead, FL E-mail: birderlm(AT)bellsouth.net http://www.southfloridabirding.com Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Strange Utah Gull From: Ben Coulter <anax_longipes(AT)YAHOO.COM> Date: 14 Jan 2007 8:03pm ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Jerry McWilliams and I observed a very similar Ring-billed Gull flying over a partially frozen Presque Isle Bay in Erie, PA, in late Feb. 2002. All of the outer primaries on the right wing were completely lacking in pigment, as well as either P8 or P9 on the left wing. Unfortunately, the gull was seen only in flight a substantial distance away, and photographs were not obtained. Aside from the abberant coloration, this individual appeared essentially typical for a RBGU, at least from what we could discern from this far away. Cheers, Ben Coulter Erie, PA Tim Avery <tanager(AT)TIMAVERYBIRDING.COM> wrote: Here's another for all the laruphiles to ponder. This afternoon Dave Slager, Colby Neuman and I located this bird in Salt Lake County, Utah. It was foraging on a compost heap with around 100 RBGU and several California Gulls. At first glance the white primaries on just one wing were what was odd about this bird. However, the leg color, heavy smudging on the head, slightly heavier bill, and larger head together add up to one weird bird. Take a look: http://timaverybirding.com/strange_gull/gull.html What could create all these abnormalities on one bird? I can't even begin to imagine a hybrid, so what's the deal? Thanks in advance for your responses. Cheers, Tim Avery http://www.timaverybirding.com http://www.birdtography.com Salt Lake City, Utah "I cannot help but think a curious event is this life of mine." - John James Audubon Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Vireo photo from South Florida From: Julian Hough <jrhough1(AT)SNET.NET> Date: 14 Jan 2007 8:14pm Larry, Photos look like a Blue-headed Vireo..subtle colors of mantle and contrast in the earcoverts are hard to judge on my monitor, so in lieu of any other clues that's my guess.. Julian Hough, CT, USA jrhough1(AT)snet.net www.naturescapeimages.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Manfredi" <birderlm(AT)BELLSOUTH.NET> To: <BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:55 PM Subject: [BIRDWG01] Vireo photo from South Florida > Here are a few photos I took today here in South Florida in the village of > Pinecrest of a vireo. Any comments would be welcomed. > > http://www.southfloridabirding.com/images/tasphotos/vireoDSC_0763.jpg > > http://www.southfloridabirding.com/images/tasphotos/vireo2DSC_0766.jpg > > http://www.southfloridabirding.com/images/tasphotos/vireo3DSC_0769.jpg > > http://www.southfloridabirding.com/images/tasphotos/vireo5DSC_0771.jpg > > > > Larry Manfredi > Homestead, FL > E-mail: birderlm(AT)bellsouth.net > http://www.southfloridabirding.com > > > Join or Leave BIRDWG01: > http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 > > Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: South American Tern? From: Gunnar Engblom <gengblom(AT)GMAIL.COM> Date: 15 Jan 2007 12:22am ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Dear all I have uploaded to http://birdingperu.com/picsfiles/photos.asp?idtipopic=3D= 1 a pic of a tern taken at Pantanos de Villa, Lima yesterday. It is an adult in non-breeding plumage. I cannot say Sternas are my forte. The bulky bill and slightly droped I use as ID mark once I got it photographed, but during the 6 seconds I had the bird in view, I could not identify it. Shortcuts? ' Are the slight wedge on the inner primaries or the blackish line on the outer primary good marks? Can anyone point to good pages on the web for Sternas - especially non-breeding plumages of Common, Arctic, South American and Antarctic? Saludos Gunnar --=20 Gunnar Engblom-Lima, Peru. Kolibri Expeditions=96Birdwatching in South America. More Birds! http://www.kolibriexpeditions.com www.birding-peru.com - checklist and data-base. Record your sightings on-line, forum, pictures, identification, Expedition Birding, etc. Tel: +51 1 4765016 cel: 51-1-96437749 or 99007886 Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3Dbirdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: South American Tern? From: Gunnar Engblom <gengblom(AT)GMAIL.COM> Date: 15 Jan 2007 9:56pm ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Dear all "Terns" out it was not so straight-foward as I thought. The discussion how to ID sternas in Peru (and Chile) is on at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Birdingperu/ Pics can be seen on: http://birding-peru.com/picsfiles/photos.asp?idtipopic=3D1 Gunnar --=20 Gunnar Engblom-Lima, Peru. Kolibri Expeditions=96Birdwatching in South America. More Birds! http://www.kolibriexpeditions.com www.birding-peru.com - checklist and data-base. Record your sightings on-line, forum, pictures, identification, Expedition Birding, etc. Tel: +51 1 4765016 cel: 51-1-96437749 or 99007886 Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3Dbirdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Perigrine falcon From: "Norman D.van Swelm" <Norman.vanswelm(AT)wxs.nl> Date: 17 Jan 2007 12:20pm This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_92UkItECDy3OBQUih9ITbQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT According to the unknown Canadian photographer the bird in the somewhat uncomfortable position is a Peregrine but is it? Norman http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=21694890 Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html --Boundary_(ID_92UkItECDy3OBQUih9ITbQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ----DELETED HTML-ENCODED SECTION---- <p> Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 <p> Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html <p> --Boundary_(ID_92UkItECDy3OBQUih9ITbQ)--
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Perigrine falcon From: Allen Chartier <amazilia1(AT)COMCAST.NET> Date: 17 Jan 2007 1:39pm This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Norman, Below this photo are several comments that correctly identify the bird = in the Red-tailed Hawk's talons as a female American Kestrel.=20 Allen Chartier amazilia1(AT)comcast.net 1442 West River Park Drive Inkster, MI 48141 Website: http://www.amazilia.net Michigan HummerNet: http://www.amazilia.net/MIHummerNet =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Every day, the hummingbird eats its own weight in food. You may wonder how it weighs the food. It doesn't. It just eats another hummingbird. ---Steven Wright ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Norman D.van Swelm=20 To: BIRDWG01(AT)LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:19 PM Subject: [BIRDWG01] Perigrine falcon According to the unknown Canadian photographer the bird in the = somewhat uncomfortable position is a Peregrine but is it? Norman = http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=3D1021&thread=3D2169= 4890 Join or Leave BIRDWG01: = http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3Dbirdwg01=20 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html=20 Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3Dbirdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Perigrine falcon From: "James P. Smith" <keenbirder(AT)YAHOO.COM> Date: 17 Jan 2007 2:24pm ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Norman, That would be a beast of a Red-tail if the bird in its talons was a Peregrine! Surely the prey item is an American Kestrel? Take a look at the head pattern. Best, James Amherst, MA. "Norman D.van Swelm" <Norman.vanswelm(AT)WXS.NL> wrote: According to the unknown Canadian photographer the bird in the somewhat uncomfortable position is a Peregrine but is it? Norman http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=21694890 #ygrp-mlmsg { FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif } #ygrp-mlmsg TABLE { } #ygrp-mlmsg SELECT { FONT: 99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif } INPUT { FONT: 99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif } TEXTAREA { FONT: 99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif } #ygrp-mlmsg PRE { FONT: 100% monospace } CODE { FONT: 100% monospace } #ygrp-mlmsg * { LINE-HEIGHT: 1.22em } #ygrp-text { FONT-FAMILY: Georgia } #ygrp-text P { MARGIN: 0px 0px 1em } #ygrp-tpmsgs { CLEAR: both; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } #ygrp-vitnav { FONT-SIZE: 77%; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana } #ygrp-vitnav A { PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } #ygrp-actbar { CLEAR: both; MARGIN: 25px 0px; COLOR: #666; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-ALIGN: right } #ygrp-actbar .left { FLOAT: left; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap } .bld { FONT-WEIGHT: bold } #ygrp-grft { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 77%; PADDING-BOTTOM: 15px; PADDING-TOP: 15px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana } #ygrp-ft { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #666 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 77%; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; PADDING-TOP: 5px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo { PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px } #ygrp-vital { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 20px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 8px; PADDING-TOP: 2px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e0ecee } #ygrp-vital #vithd { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 77%; TEXT-TRANSFORM: uppercase; COLOR: #333; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana } #ygrp-vital UL { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 2px 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } #ygrp-vital UL LI { CLEAR: both; BORDER-RIGHT: #e0ecee 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #e0ecee 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #e0ecee 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0ecee 1px solid; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: none } #ygrp-vital UL LI .ct { PADDING-RIGHT: 0.5em; FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FLOAT: right; WIDTH: 2em; COLOR: #ff7900; TEXT-ALIGN: right } #ygrp-vital UL LI .cat { FONT-WEIGHT: bold } #ygrp-vital A { TEXT-DECORATION: none } #ygrp-vital A:hover { TEXT-DECORATION: underline } #ygrp-sponsor #hd { FONT-SIZE: 77%; COLOR: #999 } #ygrp-sponsor #ov { PADDING-RIGHT: 13px; PADDING-LEFT: 13px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 20px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 6px; PADDING-TOP: 6px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e0ecee } #ygrp-sponsor #ov UL { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 8px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } #ygrp-sponsor #ov LI { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 77%; PADDING-BOTTOM: 6px; PADDING-TOP: 6px; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: square } #ygrp-sponsor #ov LI A { FONT-SIZE: 130%; TEXT-DECORATION: none } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { PADDING-RIGHT: 8px; PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 20px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #eee } #ygrp-sponsor .ad { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 8px; PADDING-TOP: 8px } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1 { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 100%; COLOR: #628c2a; LINE-HEIGHT: 122%; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } #ygrp-sponsor .ad A { TEXT-DECORATION: none } #ygrp-sponsor .ad A:hover { TEXT-DECORATION: underline } #ygrp-sponsor .ad P { MARGIN: 0px } o { FONT-SIZE: 0px } .MsoNormal { MARGIN: 0px } #ygrp-text TT { FONT-SIZE: 120% } BLOCKQUOTE { MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 4px } .replbq { } Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Perigrine falcon From: "Norman D.van Swelm" <Norman.vanswelm(AT)wxs.nl> Date: 17 Jan 2007 4:05pm This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_gF7rdm4T6t+5rrH1kMqetA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thank you for your quick response. All of you dismissed Peregrine, one of you thought the Red-tailed Hawk was the uncomfortable one. The remaining eleven are convinced the tortured individual is an American Kestrel and of those, three claim it to be a female and two a first-year bird. One poor soul never reached the site! In Sibley's Guide, the portrayed adult male and female have reddish underparts. The poor falcon in the Red-tailed's claws shows rather pale sandy underparts lacking any red. Is this typical for young birds? Cheers, Norman >According to the unknown Canadian photographer the bird in the somewhat uncomfortable position is a Peregrine but is it? http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=21694890 Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html --Boundary_(ID_gF7rdm4T6t+5rrH1kMqetA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ----DELETED HTML-ENCODED SECTION---- <p> Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 <p> Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html <p> --Boundary_(ID_gF7rdm4T6t+5rrH1kMqetA)--
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Ageing American Kestrels From: Peter Pyle <ppyle(AT)BIRDPOP.ORG> Date: 17 Jan 2007 4:34pm ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- The kestrel in the Red-tailed Hawk's claws is a female due to the streaked underparts and heavily barred tail. First-year males (even juveniles!) resemble adult males in plumage. The bird appears to be an adult female due to the width of the outermost bar on the tail (excluding the central rectrices). In adults (AHY/ASYs) this bar is 9-14 mm wide and noticeably wider than the other bars. In young females (HY/SYs), which retain juvenile rectrices until a year old, the outermost bar is 7-10 mm wide and not noticeably wider than the proximal bars. In hand, another way to age falcons is by detecting "molt clines" in the primaries and secondaries. They replace feathers outward and inward from centers at p4/p5 and s4/s5 and the clines in feather wear, especially among p4-p1 (fresher proximally) are noticeable in adults, whereas in first-year birds all primaries and secondaries are even in wear. I can't really ascertain this on the kestrel in the image but it appears that it could be showing the adult pattern. As far as body plumage goes, first-year and adult kestrels (of both sexes) do not differ appreciably. Peter Pyle At 03:05 PM 1/17/2007, Norman D.van Swelm wrote: > >Thank you for your quick response. All of you dismissed Peregrine, >one of you thought the Red-tailed Hawk was the uncomfortable one. >The remaining eleven are convinced the tortured individual is an >American Kestrel and of those, three claim it to be a female and two >a first-year bird. One poor soul never reached the site! >In Sibley's Guide, the portrayed adult male and female have reddish >underparts. The poor falcon in the Red-tailed's claws shows rather >pale sandy underparts lacking any red. Is this typical for young birds? >Cheers, Norman > > >According to the unknown Canadian photographer the bird in the > somewhat uncomfortable position is a Peregrine but is it? > ><http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=21694890>http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=21694890 > >Join or Leave BIRDWG01: >http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 > >Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Vega type Gulls From: David Vander Pluym <SCRE(AT)AOL.COM> Date: 17 Jan 2007 5:09pm ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Hello all, This winter I have found a couple of gulls in California that have shown characteristics of Vega Gull. Some I feel are likely Vega's and others I am unsure what to make of. Photos are here: _http://www.flickr.com/photos/15889648@N00/_ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/15889648@N00/) The bird labeled Vegaish Herring Gull is to me especially interesting as in a lot of ways it seems to be a typical smithsonianus, but the greater coverts seem outside the range of that taxa. Comments are most welcome and I would especially like to hear from people who have seen otherwise typical Smith's with greater coverts similar to the bird I mentioned above. David Vander Pluym Santa Cruz Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: website on heuglin's gulls From: Mars Muusse <marsmuusse(AT)WANADOO.NL> Date: 19 Jan 2007 3:51pm Hi, Last few months Ruud Altenburg, Chris Gibbins, Visa Rauste, Hannu Koskinen, Theo Muusse and I have tried to launch a webpage on the ID of spring 2cy heuglini. On these pages, we compare Russian Heuglin's Gulls with western taxa, illustrated by ringed 2cy graellsii and intermedius LBBG's and ringed nominate fuscus Baltic LBBG's. We also added several putative Heuglin's Gulls from Finland and W Europe. Have a look directly at: http://www.gull-research.org/heuglini-id/ Or check out the entire site at the portal: www.gull-research.org Cheers, Mars Muusse Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Odd Gull, Oregon From: DJLauten and KACastelein <deweysage(AT)VERIZON.NET> Date: 20 Jan 2007 10:38am Folks, On Thursday at Siltcoos, Lane Cty, Oregon, we saw and photographed a gull I believe to be a Glaucous-winged, however take at look at the one photo at http://thebirdguide.com/temp_images/RecentPhotos/RecentBirdPhotos.htm should be the second bird down. I believe the bird is leucistic. Thought some gull folks might like to see. Cheers Dave Lauten and Kathy Castelein Bandon OR deweysage(AT)verizon.net Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: hybrid or aberrant warbler in Panama From: Martin Reid <upupa(AT)AIRMAIL.NET> Date: 20 Jan 2007 11:07am Dear all, Some of you may find this warbler worthy of discussion: http://www.martinreid.com/Main%20website/warblersp1.html I have my thoughts but I'll see what surfaces from ID-land... Cheers, Martin -- >Martin Reid >San Antonio, Texas >mailto:upupa(AT)airmail.net >http://www.martinreid.com Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=birdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: Interesting gull in Michigan From: Allen Chartier <amazilia1(AT)COMCAST.NET> Date: 20 Jan 2007 11:23am This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- I just wanted to thank the few individuals who took enough interest in = this gull to provide commentary. The bird has not been relocated, and no = open wing shots have been obtained. It will be dumped into the = "unidentified" bin until more information surfaces. Allen Chartier amazilia1(AT)comcast.net 1442 West River Park Drive Inkster, MI 48141 Website: http://www.amazilia.net Michigan HummerNet: http://www.amazilia.net/MIHummerNet =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Every day, the hummingbird eats its own weight in food. You may wonder how it weighs the food. It doesn't. It just eats another hummingbird. ---Steven Wright Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3Dbirdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Possible Least Storm-Petrel in Lima From: Gunnar Engblom <gengblom(AT)GMAIL.COM> Date: 20 Jan 2007 11:28am ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Hello everyone From Yesterdays pelagic from Lima we had a possible Least Storm-Petrel, which included 7 species of Storm-Petrels if this holds!!! We noticed very small size similar to the Elliots nearby. Poor shots can be found on http://www.birdingperu.com/picsfiles/photos.asp?idtipopic=3D1 I have no previous experience of this species, but the bird we saw looked t= o small to be Markham's or Black which we see regularily.... Maybe it was just the molt giving this effect though. I don't know. Any comments please!! Gunnar Engblom PS: Sorry for the poor pics. Got some nice Black and Markham's Storm-Petrel= s which I will post later. Some interesting molt pics that some of you will find interesting!! Only one small Sterna (I think Common) which I also shall post later! --=20 Gunnar Engblom-Lima, Peru. Kolibri Expeditions=96Birdwatching in South America. More Birds! http://www.kolibriexpeditions.com www.birding-peru.com - checklist and data-base. Record your sightings on-line, forum, pictures, identification, Expedition Birding, etc. Tel: +51 1 4765016 cel: 51-1-96437749 or 99007886 Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3Dbirdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: More Utah Gulls From: Tim Avery <tanager(AT)TIMAVERYBIRDING.COM> Date: 20 Jan 2007 3:48pm This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Here are some more from Utah. Any thoughts would be appreciated on the = bird that looks a like a LBBG; and the Lightly marked Herring/Nelson's = Type. http://timaverybirding.com/more_gulls/index.html I am still working on figuring out the birds less common to Utah and any = help or thoughts would be appreciated! Thanks, Tim Avery http://www.timaverybirding.com http://www.birdtography.com=20 Salt Lake City, Utah "I cannot help but think a curious event is this life of mine." - John James Audubon Join or Leave BIRDWG01: http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=3Dbirdwg01 Archives: http://listserv.arizona.edu/archives/birdwg01.html ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----

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