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Subject: Native Plants
From: Olga Clifton <humermom(AT)BELLSOUTH.NET>
Date: 2 Jan 2001 7:48am
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Fellow Birders,
For those of you who are interested in further inhansing your yards for =
birds, you may be interested in attending the 18th. annual meeting of =
the Louisiana Native Plant Society to be held on January 19-20 at Camp =
Grant Walker, Pollock, La.
It will be one of the best oppertunities to learn about native plants as =
well as have a chance to shop from the Native Plant vendors that come =
from around the state to participate in the meeting.
Our own Bill Fontenot will have plants as well as Coyote Creek Nursery, =
Fronderosa Ferns, and Wild Things Plant Farm.
Anyone interested can contact me privately and I will gladley provide =
any information.
Olga Clifton
Abita Springs,La.
West St. Tammany Parish
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Subject: Bird Feeding with Cats
From: Ron Rovansek <Rovansek.Ronaldj(AT)EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV>
Date: 2 Jan 2001 7:52am
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David,
I think that anyone with free-roaming cats should not be feeding birds.
Attracting birds to an area where you have a cat is certainly going to
result in the death of some of the birds. The birds will be better off
without the food than they would with food plus extra danger from the
cats. Furthermore, I doubt that many cats are really to big and slow to
catch birds. Some cats are undoubtedly better than others, but they all
can catch at least a few birds.
Ron Rovansek
copied message follows:
Subject: Bird Feeding with Cats
A friend who has cats asked me today if I thought it would be OK if she
should put up some bird feeders in her yard. She has 2 free-roaming cats
with claws intact. One, she says, is too big and slow to catch birds. The
other though, has proven itself an effective bird killer. (It leaves them
on the doorstep). I said I thought it might be similiar to inviting
guests
for dinner and they finding out they are the main course. Do others on
the
listserv have cats and feed wild birds? If so, how do you keep them
separated?
David Purvis
Mandeville, LA
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Subject: BRCBC & definition of Chutzpah
From: "Dennis K. Demcheck" <ddemchec(AT)USGS.GOV>
Date: 2 Jan 2001 9:58am
Many thanks to Dave Patton, Scott Knaus, Miriam Davey, Kay Radlauer, and
Laurie Binford for their help in tallying the hummingbird portion of the
Baton Rouge CBC. 2 parties visited 20 yards, with a total of 46 hummers
seen. Species:
Rufous, Black-chinned, Buff-bellied, Ruby-throated, and Calliope.
Possibles (subject to verification) include a Broad-tailed at Chris Witt's
place, and an Allen's that will have to be captured and examined in hand
for a positive ID.
The numbers are incomplete because this year we are also relying on
keen-eyed birders sending in hummingbird ID forms (subject to verification,
of course) documenting hummers seen in their yards. This enabled the 2
teams to concentrate on rarities and people with good yards on vacation.
The 20 yards visited on 12/30 do not include such bastions as the ol'
Remsen place, Steve&Donna, Carol Foil, Al Troy, etc. Final numbers will be
posted when the forms come in.
Last but not least, I learned the definition of "Chutzpah" when I mailed
out bird ID forms to Van, Steve&Donna, and several others. The forms
include helpful identification hints!
Dennis Demcheck
Hoping Van can separate House vs. Purple Finch in Baton Rouge
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Subject: Re: Pine Prairie and Cheneyville CBCs - Marty Floyd's of
l/l.
From: "Maurice Duvic Sr." <jsb8(AT)WEBTV.NET>
Date: 2 Jan 2001 11:45am
Marty: I enjoyed your report but would have enjoyed it more had I known
where Pine Prairie is. Possibly, others so handicapped would have also.
Your mention of Cheneyville leads me to believe you're in the
Alexandria, La. area. Is that correct?
Vic
Jackson, MS 392ll
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Subject: Re: Bird Feeding with Cats
From: Linda Beall <lbeall(AT)MINILOGIC.COM>
Date: 2 Jan 2001 12:03pm
David Purvis and LABird:
For what it's worth, I strongly urge your friend to NOT put up bird
feeders if she has outdoor cats. It's irresponsible for anyone to lure
birds into their yards with feeders, then allow their pets to destroy
the birds.
I'll spare subscribers to this list my rant on free-roaming cats. If
anyone is interested in learning more about outdoor cats and what their
owners can do keep them indoors, please check out the following web
sites. The American Bird Conservancy has developed a program called
Cats Indoors! which serves to educate and encourage responsible pet
ownership.
http://abcbirds.org/catsindoors.htm
http://www.audubon.org/bird/cat/
==================
Linda Beall
Covington, LA
St. Tammany Parish
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Subject: Re: Binoc Suggestions?
From: "Dennis K. Demcheck" <ddemchec(AT)USGS.GOV>
Date: 2 Jan 2001 2:00pm
In the $300 price range, I like the Bausch and Lomb 8X30 Custom. My wife
has this model. I recommended the B&L to a co-worker, but he went with an
8X, waterproof Fujinon (I don't know the exact model) for about the same
price. I was able to compare the two models in his backyard, To me, the
B&L had superior optics.
Binocular buying is all about compromises, even after you decide how much
you can afford. In my opinion, the better optics of the B&L outweighs the
waterproofing. For my co-worker, who has had some experience with his
daughter leaving things out in the rain, waterproofing was a "must-have".
Also, my wife dropped her 2-yr old B&L and it went out of collimation. B&L
re-aligned and cleaned it for only a $10 shipping fee.
Dennis Demcheck
Baton Rouge
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Subject: Re: Binoc Suggestions?
From: Russ Allor <RAllor(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 2 Jan 2001 3:01pm
In a message dated 12/31/00 4:02:58 PM Central Standard Time,
jjhuner(AT)MINDSPRING.COM writes:
<<
I am sure that a number of people will jump in. My first decent pair
were Swift Audubons which cost around $325 including tax at Wildbirds
Unlimited. Problem with them is that they are not water proof and can
fog up. Celestron has some wonderful binoculars for $100 or so, also
sold by Wildbirds Unlimited >>
Jay is right. Skip the $50 stuff.
For a beginner, I suggest NOT getting roof prism devices. They introduce some
color problems. (Even Saworskis) Stay with porro prism sets. Bulkier but less
confusing.
Russ Allor
Baton Rouge LA
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Subject: Re: Binoc Suggestions?
From: Russ Allor <RAllor(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 2 Jan 2001 3:07pm
One more comment on binoculars.
ALWAYS check for alignment (colimation) if you by any kind, expensive or
cheap.
Otherwise, chronic headaches will follow.
To do this, focus on a horizontal line such as the edge of a roof. While
keeping the line inview, gradually pull the binocs away from your eyes. If
the line "breaks" into two non-parallel lines, dont by the set.
Russ Allor
Baton Rouge LA
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Subject: Re: Bird Feeding with Cats
From: dnpurvis <dnpurvis(AT)BELLSOUTH.NET>
Date: 2 Jan 2001 6:25pm
Thanks everybody, I think she got the message. I printed a selection of
replies for her. It is a somewhat sensitive issue as she is my bosses
wife, but then again, he is no cat lover and hey, the replies were from you
kind folks, not me ;-)
I am split between my Benjamin .20 cal pellet pistol (a sporting weapon as
I'm a fairly poor shot with it) and my dog Lottie, who gets immense joy in
chasing cats otta' the yard. I agree there is no place for cats out and
about and killing our feathered friends. Unlike dogs, they really try to
kill things rather than just making sport by barking and chasing. Which
brings me to my next question of import:
BIRD FEEDING WITH RATS
I was sitting on the patio this evening and saw one scurry from the
direction of the bird feeders under the wood deck. Geeze, I'm a live and
let live kinda guy but RATS!!! A couple of years ago they found their way
up the corner molding of the exterior siding and into the walls of the
house. Trapping, poisoning and general harrassment seemed to turn the
trick that time. Do ya'll have similiar problems with rattus norvegicus?
Dave Purvis
Mandeville , La
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> From: Linda Beall <lbeall(AT)MINILOGIC.COM>
> To: LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu
> Subject: Re: Bird Feeding with Cats
> Date: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:03 PM
>
> David Purvis and LABird:
>
> For what it's worth, I strongly urge your friend to NOT put up bird
> feeders if she has outdoor cats. It's irresponsible for anyone to lure
> birds into their yards with feeders, then allow their pets to destroy
> the birds.
>
> I'll spare subscribers to this list my rant on free-roaming cats. If
> anyone is interested in learning more about outdoor cats and what their
> owners can do keep them indoors, please check out the following web
> sites. The American Bird Conservancy has developed a program called
> Cats Indoors! which serves to educate and encourage responsible pet
> ownership.
>
> http://abcbirds.org/catsindoors.htm
>
> http://www.audubon.org/bird/cat/
>
> ==================
> Linda Beall
> Covington, LA
> St. Tammany Parish
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Subject: Re: Bird Feeding with Cats
From: David Muth <dmuth(AT)BELLSOUTH.NET>
Date: 2 Jan 2001 7:22pm
Dave:
On rats:
I recommend a cat.
Helpfully,
David Muth
New Orleans
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From: Bulletin Board for Dissemination of Information on Louisiana Birds
[mailto:LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu]On Behalf Of dnpurvis
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:25 PM
To: LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu
Subject: Re: Bird Feeding with Cats
Thanks everybody, I think she got the message. I printed a selection of
replies for her. It is a somewhat sensitive issue as she is my bosses
wife, but then again, he is no cat lover and hey, the replies were from you
kind folks, not me ;-)
I am split between my Benjamin .20 cal pellet pistol (a sporting weapon as
I'm a fairly poor shot with it) and my dog Lottie, who gets immense joy in
chasing cats otta' the yard. I agree there is no place for cats out and
about and killing our feathered friends. Unlike dogs, they really try to
kill things rather than just making sport by barking and chasing. Which
brings me to my next question of import:
BIRD FEEDING WITH RATS
I was sitting on the patio this evening and saw one scurry from the
direction of the bird feeders under the wood deck. Geeze, I'm a live and
let live kinda guy but RATS!!! A couple of years ago they found their way
up the corner molding of the exterior siding and into the walls of the
house. Trapping, poisoning and general harrassment seemed to turn the
trick that time. Do ya'll have similiar problems with rattus norvegicus?
Dave Purvis
Mandeville , La
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> From: Linda Beall <lbeall(AT)MINILOGIC.COM>
> To: LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu
> Subject: Re: Bird Feeding with Cats
> Date: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:03 PM
>
> David Purvis and LABird:
>
> For what it's worth, I strongly urge your friend to NOT put up bird
> feeders if she has outdoor cats. It's irresponsible for anyone to lure
> birds into their yards with feeders, then allow their pets to destroy
> the birds.
>
> I'll spare subscribers to this list my rant on free-roaming cats. If
> anyone is interested in learning more about outdoor cats and what their
> owners can do keep them indoors, please check out the following web
> sites. The American Bird Conservancy has developed a program called
> Cats Indoors! which serves to educate and encourage responsible pet
> ownership.
>
> http://abcbirds.org/catsindoors.htm
>
> http://www.audubon.org/bird/cat/
>
> ==================
> Linda Beall
> Covington, LA
> St. Tammany Parish
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Subject: Rats!!! Was Bird Feeding with Cats
From: Bill Wood <labirder(AT)SHREVE.NET>
Date: 2 Jan 2001 7:24pm
Dave, LAbirders and all
At 06:24 PM 1/2/2001, Dave wrote:
>.... Which brings me to my next question of import: BIRD FEEDING WITH
>RATS. I was sitting on the patio this evening and saw one scurry from the
>direction of the bird feeders under the wood deck. Geeze, I'm a live and
>let live kinda guy but RATS!!! A couple of years ago they found their way
>up the corner molding of the exterior siding and into the walls of the
>house. Trapping, poisoning and general harrassment seemed to turn the
>trick that time. Do ya'll have similiar problems with rattus norvegicus?
Dave,
Let the rodents be -- owls love the little morsels. Plus, it's a great
way to attract owls to your yard! I once watched an Eastern Screech-owl
catch a mouse that was eating seed spilled from a feeder. Anything for
another yard bird!
As always, Good Birding,
Bill Wood
Keithville, LA
3 miles south of Shreveport
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Subject: Re: Bird Feeding with Cats
From: Marie La Salle <mlasalle(AT)MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: 2 Jan 2001 7:45pm
We just trapped a rat in our crawl space. I suggested luring our resident
red shouldered hawks into the basement and letting them hve a t it... but it
finally succumbed to an old fashioned trap. I am sorry we didn't take the
trap and all and leave it outside for the hwaks or whomever.... or maybe
just as warning to the next rat down the line.
Dogs and cats in our feeder filled yard? Amazing how silent and accurate a
slingshot is....
Marie La Salle
Marietta Ga
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Subject: Latest Additions to Lake Martin List
From: "Jay V. Huner" <jjhuner(AT)MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: 2 Jan 2001 8:19pm
Lake Martin is located half way between Breaux Bridge, LA and
Lafayette, LA at the border of St. Martin Parish and Lafayette
Parish - South Central Louisiana - CAJUN HEARTLAND. It is a remanent
"ox bow" of the Lafourche Channel of the Mississippi River.
Anyway, Mike Musumeche picked up Bird 189 on 26 December 2000 -
Red-breasted Nuthatch - and Danny Dobbs picked up Birds 190 and 191
more recently - Canada Goose and Common Loon.
Lake Martin is a true "Treasure". If anyone wants our working bird
list, I'll send it as an attachment. Lake Martin simply doesn't have
the wetland "presence" associated with our ag wetland units and it is
a bit too far inland to attract "sea birds". But, we are optimistic
about pushing numbers up to 200 by mid-summer now that we have a few
dedicated birders who are adding their eyes and expertise to Danny
Dobbs to pick up the "extras".
IT WAS COLD AT THE UL Lafayette PONDS TODAY. Ask the 20 pound lighter
Bill Fontenot about the wind chill associated with 25 F and 15 knot
winds!!!
Hate to think what Feb. will be like but maybe there will be a number
of "erruptive" species!?
Jay Huner
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Subject: Re: Bird Feeding with Cats
From: Russ Allor <RAllor(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 2 Jan 2001 9:37pm
In a message dated 1/2/01 6:25:58 PM Central Standard Time,
dnpurvis(AT)BELLSOUTH.NET writes:
<< I agree there is no place for cats out and
about and killing our feathered friends. >>
Well, while we are on the subject, lets deal with Shrikes. I have a regular
visitor who loves goldfinches. Think I will ge my air rifle out.
Russ Allor
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Subject: Re: Bird Feeding with Cats
From: Paul Conover <conover(AT)TALSTAR.COM>
Date: 2 Jan 2001 10:10pm
russ,
correct. if you shoot the goldfinches, it makes it easier for the
shrikes
to eat them.*
*since both are native, migratory songbirds that are protected by law,
i'd
suggest you shoot the worthless introduced yard [not house] cat instead.
paul conover
tallahassee, fl
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> From: Russ Allor <RAllor(AT)AOL.COM>
> To: LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu
> Subject: Re: Bird Feeding with Cats
> Date: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 9:37 PM
>
> In a message dated 1/2/01 6:25:58 PM Central Standard Time,
> dnpurvis(AT)BELLSOUTH.NET writes:
>
> << I agree there is no place for cats out and
> about and killing our feathered friends. >>
> Well, while we are on the subject, lets deal with Shrikes. I have a
regular
> visitor who loves goldfinches. Think I will ge my air rifle out.
>
> Russ Allor
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Subject: Feeding Cat: Poetry in Motion
From: Elaine Kilgore <freespark(AT)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 2 Jan 2001 11:14pm
Gee it isn't hard to figure out that ya'll don't like cats. I've owned cats
ever since I was a kid.- a lot of cats. I spay them, give them their shots
and when I live in the country I throw them outside. They've eaten a few
birds but no way the numbers of one a day. Give me a break.
Send that cat to the Olympics! If you watch your cat and he's stalking the
birds and you find feathers in the yard well just lock the beast up.
I figure the good a feeder does in the winter outweighs the damage my cat
will do.
If you do own a cat that will eat a bird a day there are people who are
overrun with starlings and house sparrows. Maybe you could sell him on EBay.
Probably a real high dollar item.
Some cats are hunters - some aren't. My parakeets used to sit on my cat.
Actually roaches, lizards ,rats, mice - if you have an attachment to those
critters you just might want to keep you cat inside. Unless of course you
have those inside and then you have other "problems" that I can't help you
with.
I don't shoot other peoples cats, dogs, or people driving cars that hit
birds. I don't even think it's funny. I hang my feeder in a tree.
Keep it filled. Feed the cat. And then I find something really important to
worry about.
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