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Subject: Re: Grasshopper Sparrow
From: Paul Conover <conover(AT)TALSTAR.COM>
Date: 23 Jan 2001 8:55am
james, labird,
i've seen quite a few grasshopper sparrows in the places you
mention. on the coast they seem to like areas full of short grass that are
dotted with little acacias. one year for the sabine count i worked the west
side of the ship channel and found a few on the big spoil banks in such
habitat. i haven't birded that area since but i'd imagine they must be
yearly visitors there in small numbers.
paul conover
tallahassee, fl
----------
> From: James Beck <buteo(AT)WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
> To: LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu
> Subject: Re: Grasshopper Sparrow
> Date: Sunday, January 21, 2001 5:34 PM
>
> Jenn/LABIRD,
>
> I suppose the strangest place I can recall seeing Grasshopper
Sparrow
> would be in that scrubby area at Garner Ridge in Cameron with Charlie
Lyon
> this past fall. We also saw one the same day in the fields along
Broussard
> (?) Beach. Muth or Purrington...was it Broussard?
>
> Good birding,
>
> James
>
> ________________________________________________________________
> James Beck
> Metairie, LA
> buteo(AT)worldnet.att.net
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Subject: backyard wilson's, b-h vireo, calliope
From: Charlotte Seidenberg <charlotte.seidenberg(AT)WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 23 Jan 2001 10:19am
I saw a female wilson's warbler in my back yard today--probably the
same one I see every few days. She's usually with a flock of
yellow-rumps and orange-crowned warblers but today was alone, foraging
in dead stuff in a protected corner of the yard. There seem to be
more orange-crowns around this winter--most years I see one (or one at
a time). this year I've had two and three at a time fighting over the
perky pet feeder.
Last Sunday, 2/14, a blue-headed vireo took a bath in my pond. A
first for my yard list.
The orioles disappeared for a few days but were back at the nectar
feeders again, today.
The possible calliope was back today and I got a better look than the
first time. It has a short, stubby
looking tail and streaking on its throat and sides--rufousy looking
streaks, I think, but I couldn't get that good a look. I think it has
a small central spot on its throat. Its beak is short.
And my rufous/allen's with the central spot on it's gorget is probably
a female--its rump is green.
It's hard to work at home with so much going on in the garden.
Charlotte Seidenberg
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Subject: Another Conover Arrives!
From: "Beth H. Maniscalco" <cone-bhm(AT)NICH-NSUNET.NICH.EDU>
Date: 23 Jan 2001 10:24am
Humnetters and Labirders:
I take great pleasure, as a self-appointed honorary Aunt, to announce
the arrival of Master Julien D'aunoy Conover, on December 29th, 2000.
Master Conover weighed in at 6 lbs 2 oz and from all reports is doing
well.
Ashleigh and Paul, hearty congratulations to you both. Pictures are
at:
http://users.talstar.com/conover/baby.html
Beth Maniscalco
Thibodaux, LA
(Approx. 60 miles SW of New Orleans)
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Subject: Thanks
From: George Payne <Member6506(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 23 Jan 2001 1:18pm
Hello Birders,
Just wanted to drop a note and thank everyone who helped perfect the
Firesideimages website. Your feedback was invalvuable. (Even if I wasn't
gracious accepting it.)
To all those who were frustrated by the download time on the bird calls,
please try again. The transfer rate is much faster now.
Thanks,
George Payne
www.firesideimages.com
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Subject: DEFINITE uptown N.O. Calliope
From: Charlotte Seidenberg <charlotte.seidenberg(AT)WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 23 Jan 2001 3:22pm
Nancy just left after banding the two hummers in my garden. Results:
1) The possible/probable Calliope FO 1/6/01 is a definite immature
male Calliope--the first that Nancy can recall being banded in Orleans
Parish! (Sorry, David Muth.)
2) The immature male rufous/allens FO 9/16/00 is an adult female
rufous. (Oops.)
Charlotte Seidenberg
Uptown New Orleans
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Subject: Re: backyard wilson's, b-h vireo, calliope
From: Phillip Wallace <phillip_wallace(AT)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: 23 Jan 2001 3:34pm
Charlotte,
Are your orioles Baltimore or Bullock's, male or female?
Phillip Wallace
phillip_wallace(AT)hotmail.com
>From: Charlotte Seidenberg <charlotte.seidenberg(AT)WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
>Reply-To: Bulletin Board for Dissemination of Information on Louisiana
> Birds <LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu>
>To: LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu
>Subject: backyard wilson's, b-h vireo, calliope
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:43:55 -0600
>
>I saw a female wilson's warbler in my back yard today--probably the
>same one I see every few days. She's usually with a flock of
>yellow-rumps and orange-crowned warblers but today was alone, foraging
>in dead stuff in a protected corner of the yard. There seem to be
>more orange-crowns around this winter--most years I see one (or one at
>a time). this year I've had two and three at a time fighting over the
>perky pet feeder.
>
>Last Sunday, 2/14, a blue-headed vireo took a bath in my pond. A
>first for my yard list.
>
>The orioles disappeared for a few days but were back at the nectar
>feeders again, today.
>
>The possible calliope was back today and I got a better look than the
>first time. It has a short, stubby
>looking tail and streaking on its throat and sides--rufousy looking
>streaks, I think, but I couldn't get that good a look. I think it has
>a small central spot on its throat. Its beak is short.
>
>And my rufous/allen's with the central spot on it's gorget is probably
>a female--its rump is green.
>It's hard to work at home with so much going on in the garden.
>
>Charlotte Seidenberg
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Subject: purple martin in Baton Rouge
From: "Lewis G. Roussel" <speckking(AT)MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: 23 Jan 2001 3:44pm
I saw my first purple martin of the season this morning flying low over LSU Lake
along Park Boulevard.
Lewis Roussel
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Subject: Re: backyard wilson's, b-h vireo, calliope
From: Charlotte Seidenberg <charlotte.seidenberg(AT)WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: 23 Jan 2001 4:40pm
Baltimore
2 males, one adult and one immature
2 females
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillip Wallace" <phillip_wallace(AT)HOTMAIL.COM>
To: <LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: backyard wilson's, b-h vireo, calliope
> Charlotte,
>
> Are your orioles Baltimore or Bullock's, male or female?
>
>
>
> Phillip Wallace
> phillip_wallace(AT)hotmail.com
>
>
> >From: Charlotte Seidenberg <charlotte.seidenberg(AT)WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
> >Reply-To: Bulletin Board for Dissemination of Information on
Louisiana
> > Birds <LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu>
> >To: LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu
> >Subject: backyard wilson's, b-h vireo, calliope
> >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:43:55 -0600
> >
> >I saw a female wilson's warbler in my back yard today--probably the
> >same one I see every few days. She's usually with a flock of
> >yellow-rumps and orange-crowned warblers but today was alone,
foraging
> >in dead stuff in a protected corner of the yard. There seem to be
> >more orange-crowns around this winter--most years I see one (or one
at
> >a time). this year I've had two and three at a time fighting over
the
> >perky pet feeder.
> >
> >Last Sunday, 2/14, a blue-headed vireo took a bath in my pond. A
> >first for my yard list.
> >
> >The orioles disappeared for a few days but were back at the nectar
> >feeders again, today.
> >
> >The possible calliope was back today and I got a better look than
the
> >first time. It has a short, stubby
> >looking tail and streaking on its throat and sides--rufousy looking
> >streaks, I think, but I couldn't get that good a look. I think it
has
> >a small central spot on its throat. Its beak is short.
> >
> >And my rufous/allen's with the central spot on it's gorget is
probably
> >a female--its rump is green.
> >It's hard to work at home with so much going on in the garden.
> >
> >Charlotte Seidenberg
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: Thrushes
From: "Jay V. Huner" <jjhuner(AT)MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: 23 Jan 2001 8:08pm
Hi,
I realize that this is going to the list serve but am doing so on
purpose. UL Lafayette is the only university in the state with a
working campus bird list. Wonder if the rest of you (excluding LSU BR
since Dr. Lowery's book represents a bird list for the campus) will
sit down and prepare working.bird lists for your respective campuses?
How hard could this be for you birders to do?
Jay Huner
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Beason <bibeason(AT)ULM.EDU>
To: LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu <LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu>
Date: January 22, 2001 4:14 PM
Subject: Thrushes
>I had two Hermit Thrushes along Bayou Desiard on the ULM campus. I
was
>surprised to see them so close to buildings. There seems to be an
increase
>in the number of Am. Robins around my house. I'm not sure whether
they are
>more active and therefore more visible or whether more are moving
into the
>northern part of the state.
>Bob Beason
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Subject: Re: Thrushes
From: Paul Conover <conover(AT)TALSTAR.COM>
Date: 23 Jan 2001 9:05pm
jay,
i know that i'm not the most tactful person, and my response to your
post may be viewed by many in the wrong way, but given your strong
insistence that people generate lists for their local schools, forgive me
for insisting why you feel that such an exercise would be worthwhile.
given the number of schools in louisiana, their disparate sizes and
available habitats, comparing school lists would be like comparing apples
and oranges. even comparing sightings between various sites on a campus is
misleading. whereas the horticultural center at usl has fairly stable and
favorable habitat, and certain birds may be expected there regularly, the
main campus itself has very limited habitat. some birds may be found there
regularly, others very irregularly, and even then many are there only as a
result of the fortunes of migration. and since these two sites touch
barely, if at all, how can you include them on one list?
lists of this sort are good only on a 'scavenger hunt' type basis. they
don't provide any pattern of occurrence, nor do they provide a clue as to
what you may be likely to see should you visit the campus. they are
basically equivalent to a backyard list, where a good many of the sightings
will be one time events. they're simply a tally, and while i suppose that's
good if you intend to start a contest, you've shopped it here for quite
awhile, but apparently nobody else seems to be jumping on the idea.
i birded usl while i was there, and saw a few good birds, but one
blackburnian warbler in ten years, for instance, doesn't reflect their true
status in sw la. there were always a lot of pigeons, though.
so, i'm of the opinion that campus lists have personal value to
observers,
but no scientific merit. you're a scientist, if you don't mind me asking
you, what scientific value do you see such lists as having?
paul conover
tallahassee, fl
----------
> From: Jay V. Huner <jjhuner(AT)MINDSPRING.COM>
> To: LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu
> Subject: Re: Thrushes
> Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:56 PM
>
> Hi,
>
> I realize that this is going to the list serve but am doing so on
> purpose. UL Lafayette is the only university in the state with a
> working campus bird list. Wonder if the rest of you (excluding LSU BR
> since Dr. Lowery's book represents a bird list for the campus) will
> sit down and prepare working.bird lists for your respective campuses?
> How hard could this be for you birders to do?
>
> Jay Huner
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Beason <bibeason(AT)ULM.EDU>
> To: LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu <LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu>
> Date: January 22, 2001 4:14 PM
> Subject: Thrushes
>
>
> >I had two Hermit Thrushes along Bayou Desiard on the ULM campus. I
> was
> >surprised to see them so close to buildings. There seems to be an
> increase
> >in the number of Am. Robins around my house. I'm not sure whether
> they are
> >more active and therefore more visible or whether more are moving
> into the
> >northern part of the state.
> >Bob Beason
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Subject: Birds from Orlando, Florida Area - Jan. 20-23, 2001 - Jay
Huner
From: "Jay V. Huner" <jjhuner(AT)MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: 23 Jan 2001 9:18pm
Visited the Disney area for the World Aquaculture Society Meeting -
arrived around noon 20 Jan. and left around 2 PM 23 January, 2001.
Pretty cold during the period. Simply could not find any North
American sparrows even though I really looked for them. The Disney
area was "wet" but only because of irrigation. The entire area is
still "dry" and burned out pine forests were obvious when one looked.
Saw one modest forest fire from the air as the plane left this
afternoon. Maybe some of you are interested in what I saw? Found 3
Blue-gray Gnatcatchers and only 1 Ruby-crowned Kinglet. Probably could
have found more birds if I had "beat the bushes" rather than attend
meetings. Could find no indication that Disney catered to birders but
was never around an information booth to ask if they did. Walked 1.5
miles one way from my Cheap hotel to the Expensive hotel site of the
convention and never saw anyone else walking/looking at the wildlife -
saw 3 joggers in 3 days. But, it was sure hard to pick up bird calls
with all the busses hauling people to and from the "sights" even early
in the morning. Rock Doves were ABSENT from the Disney area where I
was located. There was a tiny flock of 10 House Sparrows fighting with
Boat-tailed Grackles for food at the convention site.
1. Pied-billed Grebe - 12+
2. Double-crested Cormorant - 1
3. Anhinga - 2
4. Great Blue Heron - 1
5. Great Egret - 15
6. Snowy Egret - 8
7. Cattle Egret - 20
8. White Ibis - 35
9. Wood Stork - 1
10. Black Vulture - 1
11. Turkey Vulture - 15
12. Mallard - 20
13. Mottled Duck - 15
14. Lesser Scaup - 20
15. Hooded Merganser - 30
16. Bald Eagle - 1
17. Red-shouldered Hawk - 2
18. Limpkin - 4 (Feeding on freshwater mussels in ponds in the
complex. Rather neat to watch them plunge their heads deep to permit
probing with their long bills and come up with mussels that they
quickly opened and ate.)
Life bird for me.
19. American Coot - 3
20. Killdeer - 4
21. Laughing Gull - 1
22. Ring-billed Gull - 4
23. Rock Dove - 20
24. Mourning Dove - 6
25. Belted Kingfisher - 1
26. Red-bellied Woodpecker - 3
27. Yellow-bellied Sapsucker - 1
28. Eastern Phoebe - 2
29. Blue Jay - 3
30. American Crow - 10
31. Fish Crow - 35
32. Tree Swallow - 20
33. Carolina Chickadee - 1
34. Carolina Wren - 2
35. Ruby-crowned Gnatcatcher - 1
36. Blue-gray Gnatcatcher - 3
37. American Robin - 2
38. Northern Mockingbird - 3
39. Cedar Waxwing - 300+
40. Orange-crowned Warbler - 1
41. Yellow-rumped Warbler - 100+ - in every thicket I passed.
42. Palm Warbler - 1
43. Common Yellowthroat - 1
44. Northern Cardinal - 2
45. Red-winged Blackbird - 10
46. Common Grackle - 100+
47. Boat-tailed Grackle - 200+
48. American Goldfinch - 10
49. House Sparrow - 10
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Subject: Re: Thrushes
From: "Jay V. Huner" <jjhuner(AT)MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: 23 Jan 2001 9:38pm
What good are lists? They are good for several reasons.
- They call attention to a resource.
- They call attention to managing a resource - creating habitat
necessary to sustain birds that are there and bring new birds to a
location.
- They create a land ethic.
- They create pride in sustaining "green areas".
- The provide a record of losses, gains, and changes.
Ask John Whittle, a remarkable ornithologist, in the Beaumont, Texas
area, what good "lists" are? How did PROFESSOR Lowery generate the
information that everyone turns to when questioning an "out of season"
or "out of place" bird? Lists have to start somewhere. And they are of
significant value, especially if done through time with numbers. If
lists were not of value, why bother with CBCs and BBCs?
Why do back yard bird counts, based on your reasoning? A campus list
represents a major back yard bird count. Universities and colleges
ought to be in the forefront of bird conservation and examples to
their communities, in my opinion.
Get a list established. Then start filling in seasonal data.
Everything has to start somewhere. I think its darn meaningful that we
have nesting Red-headed Woodpeckers, Eastern Kingbirds, and American
Robins on the central UL Lafayette campus despite the extensive
"clearing" that has gone on. I would hope that our administrators
would try to find some way to sustain the few green areas that are
still owned by the university within the city based on their
significance in sustaining wildlife, especially bird, habitat but
without information about what's there and what can be lost, there is
no reason to consider that alternative.
So, Paul, you and I will continue to agree to disagree.
Congratulations on your new addition.
Jay H.
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Conover <conover(AT)TALSTAR.COM>
To: LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu <LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu>
Date: January 23, 2001 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: Thrushes
>jay,
> i know that i'm not the most tactful person, and my response
to your
>post may be viewed by many in the wrong way, but given your strong
>insistence that people generate lists for their local schools,
forgive me
>for insisting why you feel that such an exercise would be worthwhile.
> given the number of schools in louisiana, their disparate
sizes and
>available habitats, comparing school lists would be like comparing
apples
>and oranges. even comparing sightings between various sites on a
campus is
>misleading. whereas the horticultural center at usl has fairly stable
and
>favorable habitat, and certain birds may be expected there regularly,
the
>main campus itself has very limited habitat. some birds may be found
there
>regularly, others very irregularly, and even then many are there only
as a
>result of the fortunes of migration. and since these two sites touch
>barely, if at all, how can you include them on one list?
> lists of this sort are good only on a 'scavenger hunt' type
basis. they
>don't provide any pattern of occurrence, nor do they provide a clue
as to
>what you may be likely to see should you visit the campus. they are
>basically equivalent to a backyard list, where a good many of the
sightings
>will be one time events. they're simply a tally, and while i suppose
that's
>good if you intend to start a contest, you've shopped it here for
quite
>awhile, but apparently nobody else seems to be jumping on the idea.
> i birded usl while i was there, and saw a few good birds, but
one
>blackburnian warbler in ten years, for instance, doesn't reflect
their true
>status in sw la. there were always a lot of pigeons, though.
> so, i'm of the opinion that campus lists have personal value
to observers,
>but no scientific merit. you're a scientist, if you don't mind me
asking
>you, what scientific value do you see such lists as having?
>
>paul conover
>tallahassee, fl
>
>
>
>----------
>> From: Jay V. Huner <jjhuner(AT)MINDSPRING.COM>
>> To: LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu
>> Subject: Re: Thrushes
>> Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:56 PM
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I realize that this is going to the list serve but am doing so on
>> purpose. UL Lafayette is the only university in the state with a
>> working campus bird list. Wonder if the rest of you (excluding LSU
BR
>> since Dr. Lowery's book represents a bird list for the campus) will
>> sit down and prepare working.bird lists for your respective
campuses?
>> How hard could this be for you birders to do?
>>
>> Jay Huner
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Beason <bibeason(AT)ULM.EDU>
>> To: LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu <LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu>
>> Date: January 22, 2001 4:14 PM
>> Subject: Thrushes
>>
>>
>> >I had two Hermit Thrushes along Bayou Desiard on the ULM campus. I
>> was
>> >surprised to see them so close to buildings. There seems to be an
>> increase
>> >in the number of Am. Robins around my house. I'm not sure whether
>> they are
>> >more active and therefore more visible or whether more are moving
>> into the
>> >northern part of the state.
>> >Bob Beason
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Subject: Re: Thrushes
From: Paul Conover <conover(AT)TALSTAR.COM>
Date: 23 Jan 2001 11:08pm
jay,
thanks for the congrats.
your points are great, but only when magnified beyond the tight sterile
confines of campuses. remember, no matter how spectacular your usl list may
seem, when the time comes to bulldoze more land on cajundome blvd, ray
authement isn't going to say, "oh, wait, this is where usl's meadowlarks
nest." in the end, it all makes about as much sense as james exhorting all
the jiffy lubes in the state to start lists [no offense, james, you know i
love the jiffy lube list].
cbc's, parish lists, and state lists are valuable because they
encompass a lot of suitable habitat. if a leconte's sparrow field in one
person's cbc turf is plowed under, suitable habitat will probably exist in
another party's turf. the same is true and more for parish and state lists.
the size of these units is so great and so much good habitat is present
that the element of plain random chance occurrence of a species is reduced.
on any given early may day, i can find a dozen species of
warbler in pecan trees just off the usl campus that are almost never seen
on campus. to judge by a usl list, these birds don't occur in the area.
backyard lists are like personal lifelists or state lists. they may be
important to the individual but are meaningless to science. lowery
generated his graph through the exhaustive field research of many people,
over a wide area. in so doing, he compiled enough information for anyone to
see, at a glance, that a philadelphia vireo isn't rare in may. anyone that
saw the same species on the usl campus and who consulted their list would
assume that it's a rare species for the area. and it is, on the usl campus,
but not down the road in the pecans.
at best, lists for small areas only provide birders with a
chance to add a notch. they don't give any clue as to the area wide
occurrence of species.
i don't think we should completely ignore small areas. regarding usl,
subtle trends have always been duly noted. robins have nested at least
since the mid 70's, as they have all throughout the adjacent neighborhoods
with big live oaks. i've seen flocks of over 200 in late summer on campus,
and sent in cards to lsu. in this way, i added small scale data to the
large scale record, i.e. the state abundance charts started by lowery.
lists are great, but i'm sure john whittle would be the first to tell
you
that it's easy to whittle down a coverage area until it no longer is
significant.
so feel free to add things i've seen like merlin, white pelican, osprey
to
the main campus list, but be sure to let people know that they may need to
stand looking up at the sky for a few years before any of them are likely
to fly over that postage stamp again.
paul conover
tallahassee, fl
----------
> From: Jay V. Huner <jjhuner(AT)MINDSPRING.COM>
> To: LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu
> Subject: Re: Thrushes
> Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 9:24 PM
>
> What good are lists? They are good for several reasons.
>
> - They call attention to a resource.
>
> - They call attention to managing a resource - creating habitat
> necessary to sustain birds that are there and bring new birds to a
> location.
>
> - They create a land ethic.
>
> - They create pride in sustaining "green areas".
>
> - The provide a record of losses, gains, and changes.
>
> Ask John Whittle, a remarkable ornithologist, in the Beaumont, Texas
> area, what good "lists" are? How did PROFESSOR Lowery generate the
> information that everyone turns to when questioning an "out of season"
> or "out of place" bird? Lists have to start somewhere. And they are of
> significant value, especially if done through time with numbers. If
> lists were not of value, why bother with CBCs and BBCs?
>
> Why do back yard bird counts, based on your reasoning? A campus list
> represents a major back yard bird count. Universities and colleges
> ought to be in the forefront of bird conservation and examples to
> their communities, in my opinion.
>
> Get a list established. Then start filling in seasonal data.
> Everything has to start somewhere. I think its darn meaningful that we
> have nesting Red-headed Woodpeckers, Eastern Kingbirds, and American
> Robins on the central UL Lafayette campus despite the extensive
> "clearing" that has gone on. I would hope that our administrators
> would try to find some way to sustain the few green areas that are
> still owned by the university within the city based on their
> significance in sustaining wildlife, especially bird, habitat but
> without information about what's there and what can be lost, there is
> no reason to consider that alternative.
>
> So, Paul, you and I will continue to agree to disagree.
> Congratulations on your new addition.
>
> Jay H.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Conover <conover(AT)TALSTAR.COM>
> To: LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu <LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu>
> Date: January 23, 2001 9:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Thrushes
>
>
> >jay,
> > i know that i'm not the most tactful person, and my response
> to your
> >post may be viewed by many in the wrong way, but given your strong
> >insistence that people generate lists for their local schools,
> forgive me
> >for insisting why you feel that such an exercise would be worthwhile.
> > given the number of schools in louisiana, their disparate
> sizes and
> >available habitats, comparing school lists would be like comparing
> apples
> >and oranges. even comparing sightings between various sites on a
> campus is
> >misleading. whereas the horticultural center at usl has fairly stable
> and
> >favorable habitat, and certain birds may be expected there regularly,
> the
> >main campus itself has very limited habitat. some birds may be found
> there
> >regularly, others very irregularly, and even then many are there only
> as a
> >result of the fortunes of migration. and since these two sites touch
> >barely, if at all, how can you include them on one list?
> > lists of this sort are good only on a 'scavenger hunt' type
> basis. they
> >don't provide any pattern of occurrence, nor do they provide a clue
> as to
> >what you may be likely to see should you visit the campus. they are
> >basically equivalent to a backyard list, where a good many of the
> sightings
> >will be one time events. they're simply a tally, and while i suppose
> that's
> >good if you intend to start a contest, you've shopped it here for
> quite
> >awhile, but apparently nobody else seems to be jumping on the idea.
> > i birded usl while i was there, and saw a few good birds, but
> one
> >blackburnian warbler in ten years, for instance, doesn't reflect
> their true
> >status in sw la. there were always a lot of pigeons, though.
> > so, i'm of the opinion that campus lists have personal value
> to observers,
> >but no scientific merit. you're a scientist, if you don't mind me
> asking
> >you, what scientific value do you see such lists as having?
> >
> >paul conover
> >tallahassee, fl
> >
> >
> >
> >----------
> >> From: Jay V. Huner <jjhuner(AT)MINDSPRING.COM>
> >> To: LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu
> >> Subject: Re: Thrushes
> >> Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:56 PM
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I realize that this is going to the list serve but am doing so on
> >> purpose. UL Lafayette is the only university in the state with a
> >> working campus bird list. Wonder if the rest of you (excluding LSU
> BR
> >> since Dr. Lowery's book represents a bird list for the campus) will
> >> sit down and prepare working.bird lists for your respective
> campuses?
> >> How hard could this be for you birders to do?
> >>
> >> Jay Huner
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Bob Beason <bibeason(AT)ULM.EDU>
> >> To: LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu <LABIRD-L(AT)listserv.lsu.edu>
> >> Date: January 22, 2001 4:14 PM
> >> Subject: Thrushes
> >>
> >>
> >> >I had two Hermit Thrushes along Bayou Desiard on the ULM campus. I
> >> was
> >> >surprised to see them so close to buildings. There seems to be an
> >> increase
> >> >in the number of Am. Robins around my house. I'm not sure whether
> >> they are
> >> >more active and therefore more visible or whether more are moving
> >> into the
> >> >northern part of the state.
> >> >Bob Beason
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