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| Re: Birds and Birders on TV | Marilyn E. Pecoraro- | Sun, 19 Jan 2003 | 12:13pm |
| Snow buntings... not many this year? | Barbara Herrgesell | Sun, 19 Jan 2003 | 12:23pm |
| Peregrine Falcon | Gene Huggins | Sun, 19 Jan 2003 | 5:19pm |
| Port Kent / Ausable Point | Dana Rohleder | Sun, 19 Jan 2003 | 8:11pm |
| Looking For Reliable area for snow bunting/lapland | Adam Rohnke | Sun, 19 Jan 2003 | 9:34pm |
| Re: Looking For Reliable area for snow bunting/lapland | Mickey Scilingo | Mon, 20 Jan 2003 | 6:46am |
| Feeder Birds return | MattV. | Mon, 20 Jan 2003 | 11:05am |
| Re: Looking For Reliable area for snow bunting/lapland | Bill Purcell | Mon, 20 Jan 2003 | 11:34am |
| Carolina Wrens | joe brin | Mon, 20 Jan 2003 | 2:12pm |
| Cayuga Lake | David Wheeler | Tue, 21 Jan 2003 | 10:04am |
| Digiscoping Seminar and Photoshop Tutorial | MattV. | Tue, 21 Jan 2003 | 11:10am |
| Thanks for the the help | Adam Rohnke | Tue, 21 Jan 2003 | 5:11pm |
| Snowy Owl | Dorothy | Tue, 21 Jan 2003 | 6:00pm |
| Immature Bald Eagle | Bonnie Folnsbee | Tue, 21 Jan 2003 | 10:06pm |
| Re: Immature Bald Eagle | Cheri Sassman | Tue, 21 Jan 2003 | 11:50pm |
| Lab. of Ornithology response to WSJ 012203 | Tim Capone | Wed, 22 Jan 2003 | 3:58pm |
| Horned Larks | Brenda Best | Wed, 22 Jan 2003 | 4:10pm |
| Snowy Owl | Brenda Best | Wed, 22 Jan 2003 | 4:09pm |
| WSJ: The Market for Eating Bird's Nests 012203 | Tim Capone | Wed, 22 Jan 2003 | 4:15pm |
| Carolina Wren - Syracuse's westside | Tim Capone | Wed, 22 Jan 2003 | 4:28pm |
| Re: Horned Larks | Richard Guthrie | Thu, 23 Jan 2003 | 6:42am |
| Purple Finches | Kimberlee VanNorstra | Thu, 23 Jan 2003 | 3:38pm |
| Re: Purple Finches | Barbara Herrgesell | Thu, 23 Jan 2003 | 5:41pm |
| Re: Purple Finches | Mary Hartigan | Thu, 23 Jan 2003 | 7:03pm |
| Re: Horned Larks | Whitens | Thu, 23 Jan 2003 | 8:57pm |
| Hawk Owl | Richard Guthrie | Fri, 24 Jan 2003 | 9:05am |
| Re: Hawk Owl directions clarification | Richard Guthrie | Fri, 24 Jan 2003 | 10:46am |
| Cayuga Lake Gyrfalcon | Kevin & Pam McGann | Fri, 24 Jan 2003 | 11:09am |
| Crow Killing Contest In Auburn | Tim Capone | Fri, 24 Jan 2003 | 12:29pm |
| Re: Hawk Owl | Andrew Mason | Fri, 24 Jan 2003 | 3:05pm |
| Fw: Cayuga Lake Basin Report: January 15-21, 2003 | Mickey Scilingo | Fri, 24 Jan 2003 | 6:08pm |
| GYRFALCON, Aurora, NY | MattV. | Fri, 24 Jan 2003 | 6:19pm |
| Re: Crow Killing Contest In Auburn | Betty Armbruster | Fri, 24 Jan 2003 | 6:22pm |
| Re: Crow Killing Contest In Auburn | Jon Robson | Fri, 24 Jan 2003 | 6:27pm |
| Syracuse RBA - January 24, 2003 | Mickey Scilingo | Fri, 24 Jan 2003 | 10:46pm |
| Re: Crow Killing Contest In Auburn | Tim Capone | Sat, 25 Jan 2003 | 12:18am |
| Re: Crow Killing Contest In Auburn | Carolyn Keefe | Sat, 25 Jan 2003 | 1:41am |
| Book Suggestion - Pigeon Shoot | Jody Hildreth | Sat, 25 Jan 2003 | 12:43pm |
| Re: Crow Killing Contest In Auburn | Chad Witko | Sat, 25 Jan 2003 | 1:42pm |
| ADMIN: Crow Thread | Jody Hildreth | Sat, 25 Jan 2003 | 2:01pm |
| Horned Grebe, White-winged Scoter | Gene Huggins | Sat, 25 Jan 2003 | 2:16pm |
| Syracuse Crows | Gene Huggins | Sat, 25 Jan 2003 | 2:49pm |
| Oswego | Gregg Dashnau | Sat, 25 Jan 2003 | 5:04pm |
| Northern Hawk Owl | Matthew Young | Sat, 25 Jan 2003 | 8:31pm |
| Saturday's Birding | Bill Purcell | Sat, 25 Jan 2003 | 8:40pm |
| Snowy Owl - North of Watertown | Bernie Carr | Sat, 25 Jan 2003 | 9:51pm |
| Re: ADMIN: Crow Thread | Tim Capone | Sat, 25 Jan 2003 | 11:11pm |
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Subject: Re: Birds and Birders on TV
From: "Marilyn E. Pecoraro-O'Connell, Wild Birds Unlimited, Blasdell, NY" <oconnell(AT)NETSYNC.NET>
Date: 19 Jan 2003 12:13pm
I enjoyed it - I figured my son and his wife were thinking of Tom and me and
laughing as they watched!
Marilyn Pecoraro-O'Connell
Wild Birds Unlimited
Blasdell, NY
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From: "Brenda Best" <jabbest(AT)AMERICU.NET>
To: <ONEIDABIRDS(AT)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 9:03 AM
Subject: [ONEIDABIRDS] Birds and Birders on TV
> Did anyone catch "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation" on CBS last night?
Three
> birders are looking at a Common Raven and one was talking about needing
> Western Wood-Pewee and Solitary Sandpiper for his lifelist, and how
someone
> found a Dickcissel that might not still be around. Then the Raven shows
up
> with a human eyeball in its beak. Later they show the dissection of the
> contents of the Raven's nest in the lab. I have to admit I checked my
field
> guide for the ranges of these birds to see if Nevada was included.
>
> Brenda
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Subject: Snow buntings... not many this year?
From: Barbara Herrgesell <HerPartB(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2003 12:23pm
Renee Davis of Sullivan County reports on NYSBirds:
>I searched many manured fields trying to find Snow Buntings and Horned
>Larks but came up with nothing.
There aren't many manured fields that I've been able to find lately...fields
are deeply snow covered in the Baldwinsville area. My only Snow Buntings of
the year were in Van Buren on Connors Rd. on January 10, when a mixed flock
of SnBu, Horned Larks and at least one Lapland Longspur flew out of a freshly
laid row of manure/straw, circled around for a good view and flew off. I
didn't report them as they were gone... and so was the manure spread shortly,
under snow.
Barbara Herrgesell
Baldwinsville
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Subject: Peregrine Falcon
From: Gene Huggins <gwren70(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2003 5:19pm
The Peregrine Falcon was observed perched on the northeast corner of
the
HSBC building this afternoon between 2:50 and 3:08 pm. The bird was preening
and then took off around the building headed in a southwestern direction.
Gene Huggins
Syracuse, N.Y.
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Subject: Port Kent / Ausable Point
From: Dana Rohleder <dcrohleder(AT)YAHOO.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2003 8:11pm
1/19/03
The Tufted Duck was still present at Port Kent today, and still hanging out
with his new buddies, the Ringnecks, usually close to the ferry dock. Scaup
numbers are back up to about 1000, with a few scattered goldeneyes, mallards
& blacks, and C. Mergs.
Ausable point provided excellent views of a loitering adult Bald Eagle at
the entrance of the park, 2 Mute Swans, 100+ mallards & blacks, and 200+ C.
Mergansers, 6 R-b Mergansers, and a few scattered goldeneyes.
An interesting event was a Black-backed Gull predating on a female C.
Merganser. He would drop on its back, forcing the merganser to dive, where
the gull would follow it and nail it again when it came up for air. This was
repeated about 3 times while other mergansers nearby continued to feed
without a glance. Only the hen's mate(?) offered any resistance to the
gull - this was accomplished by swimming rapidly toward it and crashing into
him head-on with his breast. As the hen tired, the gull repeatedly grabbed
it by the neck and pulled it up onto the ice, where as soon as it released
the merg's neck, it would take off into the water again where the process
was repeated. Eventually, the gull was distracted by another merg that had
pulled up a 12" trout onto the ice, which it promptly stole from the merg.
The attacked hen seemed to continue feeding unhurt. This is the first time I
have seen a gull attack a merganser - he MUST have been hungry!
A kill site was found in my yard today - something appears to have taken a
titmouse. The wing pattern was quite narrow and I am thinking it may have
been a shrike, although I have never seen one around my house. A Sharp-shin
is more likely around here.
Starting to hear finches, cardinals, and chickadees at my feeders becoming a
little more vocal - with snippets of spring songs mixed in just to tease me.
Dana C. Rohleder, O.D.
Port Kent, NY
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Subject: Looking For Reliable area for snow bunting/lapland
From: Adam Rohnke <adamtr(AT)YAHOO.COM>
Date: 19 Jan 2003 9:34pm
Was wondering if anyone has a reliable spot for Snow
bunting and or Laplands. I've been skunked for the
past four years on these species. It's just two of
those species I keep missing and I"m Determined to get
this year. I've already looked around most of the
surrounding farms and fields of montezuma and most of
three rivers. So if someone could help me out I'd
appreciate it.
Adam R.
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Subject: Re: Looking For Reliable area for snow bunting/lapland
From: Mickey Scilingo <mickey.scilingo(AT)GTE.NET>
Date: 20 Jan 2003 6:46am
Adam,
I would check the Fenner/Nelson area for Snow Buntings. This is the
area where the Snowy Owl was seen a few weeks ago. I would especially
check the fields along Peterboro Rd, Larkin Rd, Nelson Rd and Mile
Strip Rd. If you have a DeLorme Atlas, these roads can be found at
the bottom of pg 76 and the top of pg 62. If you don't have a
DeLorme, or if you want directions to these areas, let me know.
Mickey Scilingo
Parish, NY
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From: Adam Rohnke <adamtr(AT)YAHOO.COM>
To: ONEIDABIRDS(AT)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
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Date: Sunday, January 19, 2003 8:33 PM
Subject: Looking For Reliable area for snow bunting/lapland
>Was wondering if anyone has a reliable spot for Snow
>bunting and or Laplands. I've been skunked for the
>past four years on these species. It's just two of
>those species I keep missing and I"m Determined to get
>this year. I've already looked around most of the
>surrounding farms and fields of montezuma and most of
>three rivers. So if someone could help me out I'd
>appreciate it.
>Adam R.
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Subject: Feeder Birds return
From: "MattV." <fickity(AT)NETSCAPE.NET>
Date: 20 Jan 2003 11:05am
Greetings! This morning, in blustery winds and driving snow; my
WHITE-THROATED SPARROW returned to the ground feeder. With him was
another PURPLE FINCH, this time a stunning male! No sign of the female
Red-winged Blackbird, but I am hoping for the trifecta...
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Subject: Re: Looking For Reliable area for snow bunting/lapland
From: Bill Purcell <wpurcell(AT)TWCNY.RR.COM>
Date: 20 Jan 2003 11:34am
A good spot for open field species near Montezuma is in the town of
Aurelius. On the Montezuma CBC I usually find Snow Buntings, Horned
Larks and sometimes Lapland Longspur in the Walker-Chamberlain Roads
area and along Town Line Rd just to the south. It helps if there's
snow on the ground and fresh manure spreads. Southeast of Skaneateles
there is a farm that spreads a lot of manure on Church Road (actually
in the SW corner of the town of Marcellus).
- -
Bill Purcell
Hastings NY 13076
wpurcell(AT)twcny.rr.com
On 19 Jan 2003 at 17:33, Adam Rohnke wrote:
> Was wondering if anyone has a reliable spot for Snow
> bunting and or Laplands. I've been skunked for the
> past four years on these species. It's just two of
> those species I keep missing and I"m Determined to get
> this year. I've already looked around most of the
> surrounding farms and fields of montezuma and most of
> three rivers. So if someone could help me out I'd
> appreciate it.
> Adam R.
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Subject: Carolina Wrens
From: joe brin <jnnbrin(AT)YAHOO.COM>
Date: 20 Jan 2003 2:12pm
A friend just called to report he had 2 Carolina Wrens
at his feeder in the midst of the snow and wind in
Baldwinsville. His location is the land just south and
west of where Dead Creek crosses Conners Rd. in the
Town of Van Buren.
Joseph Brin
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Baldwinsville, N.Y.
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Subject: Cayuga Lake
From: David Wheeler <Tigger64(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 21 Jan 2003 10:04am
I spent a couple days birding Cayuga Lake, which is frozen at the north end,
opening at roughly Canoga on the west side and Union Springs on the east
side. From these points going south, it appears completely open all the way
to Ithaca, where there is a 500 yard ice shelf extending out from Stewart
Park.
I suppose the feature bird would be a RUDDY DUCK hanging around with an
AMERICAN COOT at the Wells College boathouse in Aurora. The pond in Union
Springs had REDHEAD, GADWALL, and two GREEN-WINGED TEAL.
There are huge numbers of BLACK DUCK everywhere. Virtually all the Aythya
ducks that could be found were concentrated against the west shore just north
of Robert Tremain State Park.
From Parker Rd., in the Canoga area (west shore), about 75 swans were
present. HORNED LARKS and EASTERN BLUEBIRDS were evident along some of the
backroads.
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NSyr, NY
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Subject: Digiscoping Seminar and Photoshop Tutorial
From: "MattV." <fickity(AT)NETSCAPE.NET>
Date: 21 Jan 2003 11:10am
Greetings! I'm sure many of you are aware of the new revolution in
Bird photography. It involves photographing a Bird through your
spotting scope using a digital camera. The technique is called
Digiscoping, and can yield startlingly great results! Since I have
immersed myself in this new craze, I wondered if others may wish to
learn too? I was thinking of giving a series of Digiscoping seminars
when the weather improves. I would also give a Photoshop tutorial
separately. This would teach people to improve their digital pictures
using a photo editing program. Is anyone interested in seminars like
this? Please respond privately for more info...
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Zone 5
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Subject: Thanks for the the help
From: Adam Rohnke <adamtr(AT)YAHOO.COM>
Date: 21 Jan 2003 5:11pm
Just wanted to say thanks to everyone that emailed
directions and helpful hints to findins some buntings
and longspurs. Soon as I get a couple of hours I will
try these areas.
Think buntings.
Thanks
Adam R.
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Subject: Snowy Owl
From: Dorothy <dwcrumb(AT)A-ZNET.COM>
Date: 21 Jan 2003 6:00pm
I had a second-hand report today of a Snowy Owl seen from Route 5
between Chittenango and Canastota. The report was from Friday,
January 17th. The bird was seen in a field between Quarry and
Jennings Road across from Believer's Chapel. It is on Page 76 of the
DeLorme Atlas at D-1.
Also today I heard of a female Yellow-bellied Sapsucker coming
regularly to a suet feeder on Route 92 between Manlius and Cazenovia.
Unotunately, this is on private property, but at least there is one
staying around this winter.
Dorothy Crumb
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Subject: Immature Bald Eagle
From: Bonnie Folnsbee <owlbaby_2000(AT)YAHOO.COM>
Date: 21 Jan 2003 10:06pm
My husband and I were leaving Poland on Rt.8, when we spotted an immature bald
eagle sitting in a tree over the West Canada creek, he was very close to the
road so we pulled over and watched for awhile with binoculars, we got a very
good look at him. I had always wondered why I didnt see eagles along the West
Canada but it looks like today I got my wish. Has anybody ever heard of or seen
eagles along West Canada Creek?
Bonnie Folnsbee
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Subject: Re: Immature Bald Eagle
From: Cheri Sassman <CESASSMAN(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 21 Jan 2003 11:50pm
Bonnie,
I have heard reports for quite a while of people spotting eagles along the
creek including a resident of Middleville who told me of watching an adult
bald eagle in the vicinity of Fishing Rock one April. A few years ago, I saw
an adult bald eagle flying toward the creek outside of Mapledale in January.
Considering the size of the trout that I once watched an osprey pull from the
creek, I would think they would be able to find enough to eat.
Let us know if you see it again, would you?
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Subject: Lab. of Ornithology response to WSJ 012203
From: Tim Capone <tcapone(AT)TWCNY.RR.COM>
Date: 22 Jan 2003 3:58pm
Re: Wall Street Journal article about the negative effects of bird =
feeding. 12/27/02
The WSJ printed a letter on the editorial page today (012203) from =
John W. Fitzpatrick, Ph.D. and Andre A. Dhondt, Ph.D. of the Cornell =
Laboratory of Ornithology.
The letter started out commending the WSJ for bringing attention to =
the need for "culling "wildlife" such as feral cats and =
predator-liberated deer". Then the however started.
However, eventhough the article quoted Lab of O. statistics about =
backyard bird mortality from a study done by Dr. Erica Dunn, Fitzpatrick =
and Dhondt complained that the WSJ article failed to mention the major =
conclusions derived from the study that "bird feeding is not having a =
broad-scale negative impact on bird populations" & "bird feeding does =
not cause mortality to rise above natural levels through exposing birds =
to unusual danger from window collisions, disease, or predation." [The =
article focus mainly on rodents and other animals being attracted to =
feeding stations before it got into a little discussion about the spread =
of disease in birds, namely house finches.]
Fitzpatrick and Dhondt complained that the example of house-finch =
populations failed to mention the whole story by neglecting to mention =
that these finches were introduced to the northeast United States and =
were susceptible to diseases not native to their original habitat. =
Fitzpatric and Dhondt suggested that back-yard feeding may have hastened =
the spread of this "common bacterium" in house finches, but this disease =
would have spread despite bird feeding as the lab's work has shown. =
This disease has failed to spread to western North America.
Then Fitzpatrick and Dhondt eschewed the virtues of the =
contributions of people who do bird-feeding with regards to "the natural =
dynamics of the infectious out break, plus dozen of key questions about =
North American bird populations". Go to http://birds.cornell.edu.
Tim Capone
Syracuse, NY 13219
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Subject: Horned Larks
From: Brenda Best <jabbest(AT)AMERICU.NET>
Date: 22 Jan 2003 4:10pm
On Spring Road, in the Town of Westmoreland, just east of the town line with
Verona, I found a flock of about 40 Horned Larks having a tough go at
feeding on a manure spread in this wind and blowing snow. They were all
fluffed up and facing into the wind unless they found shelter down in a rut.
Brenda
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Subject: Snowy Owl
From: Brenda Best <jabbest(AT)AMERICU.NET>
Date: 22 Jan 2003 4:09pm
This morning, I looked for the Snowy Owl that Dorothy Crumb second- or
third-handedly reported along Rt. 5 between Jenkins Rd. and Quarry Rd. in
Canastota. While I did not find an owl, I did see a male Northern Harrier
flying over those fields. Doesn't mean a Snowy isn't there, just that I
didn't find one.
Brenda
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Subject: WSJ: The Market for Eating Bird's Nests 012203
From: Tim Capone <tcapone(AT)TWCNY.RR.COM>
Date: 22 Jan 2003 4:15pm
Page A1 middle column.
In Thailand, even real estate developers are getting into the business =
of luring swiflets to nest on their buildings to sell the nests on the =
market for about $250.00 an ounce. The nests are used in a Chinese dish =
known as bird's nest soup. Instead of renting out flats to people, =
developers redesign their building to attract these cave-roosting birds.
As a birder, the article is kind of tough to swallow because it isn't =
about poor people trying to scavenge a living, but people who are well =
off trying to find something more lucrative.
Plus, there is another A1 article in the WSJ today about the increase of =
crime in our National Parks. The article discusses assaults on park =
rangers. In 2001 here were 104 assaults on officers in the National =
Park Service, which was double that of U.S. Custom Service officers at =
52, FBI officials at 34, U.S. Marshalls at 31, DEA at 28 and Secret =
Service at 18.
Tim Capone
Syracuse, NY 13219
tcapone(AT)twcny.rr.com
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Subject: Carolina Wren - Syracuse's westside
From: Tim Capone <tcapone(AT)TWCNY.RR.COM>
Date: 22 Jan 2003 4:28pm
As I was watching the starving, cold chickadees resort to eating thistle =
seed because I've been too busy too fill the feeders, I noticed a =
Carolina Wren jump from the suet feeder and on to the globe feeder. It =
crawled right into the feeder and out of the wind, then fed on the =
black-oil sunflower seed inside. I've had a few white-throated sparrows =
since late December.
I got my haircut today. While downtown, I looked for the peregrine with =
no luck. However, the winds were so strong, the snow was pelting me and =
of coarse, it was pretty darn cold out there. I checked the Civic =
Center and the HSBC, the MONY towers, Hotel Syracuse and nearby =
buildings. Hopefully the bird checked into one of the hotels downtown. =
They could use the business.
Tim Capone
Syracuse, New York
tcapone(AT)twcny.rr.com
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Subject: Re: Horned Larks
From: Richard Guthrie <gaeltic(AT)CAPITAL.NET>
Date: 23 Jan 2003 6:42am
Brenda, et al.:
Around these parts, the sad scenario will be that a horde of snowmobiliers
will race back and forth after dark, and stress these larks, buntings and
longspurs into oblivion. Small wonder that there are so few around anymore.
Rich Guthrie
New Baltimore,
The Greene (But not for long) County
New York
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To: <ONEIDABIRDS(AT)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 3:08 PM
Subject: [ONEIDABIRDS] Horned Larks
> On Spring Road, in the Town of Westmoreland, just east of the town line
with
> Verona, I found a flock of about 40 Horned Larks having a tough go at
> feeding on a manure spread in this wind and blowing snow. They were all
> fluffed up and facing into the wind unless they found shelter down in a
rut.
>
> Brenda
> --
> Brenda Best
> Durhamville, NY
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Subject: Purple Finches
From: Kimberlee VanNorstrand <vfiddle(AT)DREAMSCAPE.COM>
Date: 23 Jan 2003 3:38pm
Hi everyone,
Just a quick note - I still have at least two female Purple Finches =
visiting my feeders here, just south of Fulton. I haven't seen the =
larger flock for several days but the may come back. That's all. Good =
Birding,
Andrew VanNorstrand
vfiddle(AT)dreamscape.com
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Subject: Re: Purple Finches
From: Barbara Herrgesell <HerPartB(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 23 Jan 2003 5:41pm
I hear there was one at the Beaver Lake Nature Center (3 mi. west of 690,
Baldwinsville Rte. 370 exit) feeder today, Thursday.
Barbara Herrgesell
Baldwinsville
~~~~~
In a message dated 1/23/03 2:38:51 PM, vfiddle(AT)DREAMSCAPE.COM writes:
>Hi everyone,
> Just a quick note - I still have at least two female Purple Finches
>visiting my feeders here, just south of Fulton.....
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Subject: Re: Purple Finches
From: Mary Hartigan <MareHartigan(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 23 Jan 2003 7:03pm
Wonder if the purple finch is a regular at BL. I haven't seen one since
living on Maple Rd with Ken. Might drive out there if time before Tuesday's
flight.
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Subject: Re: Horned Larks
From: Whitens <whitens(AT)A-ZNET.COM>
Date: 23 Jan 2003 8:57pm
I can understand what you're saying, Rich. Last winter one night, my nephew
admitted that he'd hit two while racing along at night. I felt awful about it,
but I know he's just being an adrenalized kid, like many snowmobilers are
(myself being guilty of this in years past). They were apparently attracted to
the trail, since that's where he was riding. Unfortunately, a main corridor
trail for this area goes right by our house.
Tim Whitens
Fulton, NY
Richard Guthrie wrote:
> Brenda, et al.:
>
> Around these parts, the sad scenario will be that a horde of snowmobiliers
> will race back and forth after dark, and stress these larks, buntings and
> longspurs into oblivion. Small wonder that there are so few around anymore.
>
> Rich Guthrie
> New Baltimore,
> The Greene (But not for long) County
> New York
> gaeltic(AT)capital.net
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Subject: Hawk Owl
From: Richard Guthrie <gaeltic(AT)CAPITAL.NET>
Date: 24 Jan 2003 9:05am
I just received word of a Hawk Owl in Montgomery County (just barely).
Directions:
NYS Rt. 20, Sloansville. Go North on RT 7A apx 1.6 miles, crossing the
Montgomery Co. Line. Proceed 0.3 mile (there should be a milemarker there).
Look for the owl on either side of the road. It has been seen perched in
Norway Maple. I've not been there, but am told that there is wide shoulders
and ample pull-off room along the highway for viewing from the roadside.
Also in the area 10 Roulg-legged Hawks.
Rich Guthrie
New Baltimore
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Subject: Re: Hawk Owl directions clarification
From: Richard Guthrie <gaeltic(AT)CAPITAL.NET>
Date: 24 Jan 2003 10:46am
To avoid possible confusion, I should note that Rt. 7A is a Schoharie County
numbered road which goes north off NYS Rt 29, WEST of Sloansville, closer to
Carlisle. The highway also goes by the name "Corbin Hill Road". The Hawk Owl
is in the Town of Root, Montgomery County. Hope this helps.
Rich Guthrie
New Baltimore,
The Greene County,
gaeltic(AT)capital.net
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Subject: [ONEIDABIRDS] Hawk Owl
> I just received word of a Hawk Owl in Montgomery County (just barely).
>
> Directions:
> NYS Rt. 20, Sloansville. Go North on RT 7A apx 1.6 miles, crossing the
> Montgomery Co. Line. Proceed 0.3 mile (there should be a milemarker
there).
> Look for the owl on either side of the road. It has been seen perched in
> Norway Maple. I've not been there, but am told that there is wide
shoulders
> and ample pull-off room along the highway for viewing from the roadside.
>
> Also in the area 10 Roulg-legged Hawks.
>
> Rich Guthrie
> New Baltimore
> gaeltc(AT)capital.net
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Subject: Cayuga Lake Gyrfalcon
From: Kevin & Pam McGann <pmcgann1(AT)TWCNY.RR.COM>
Date: 24 Jan 2003 11:09am
Matt Victoria just called to say he had seen the GYRFALCON this morning =
at 9:19 from a driveway on Rte. 90 near MacKenzie-Childs, flying north =
along the ice edge. The bird may be able to be seen in the Farley's =
point area.
I do not post to Cayugabirds or Geneseebirds,so could someone cross =
post this to the others=20
Kevin McGann
Baldwinsville NY=20
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Subject: Crow Killing Contest In Auburn
From: Tim Capone <tcapone(AT)TWCNY.RR.COM>
Date: 24 Jan 2003 12:29pm
Don't panic, only a hundred and sixty people signed up for last =
years contest partly sponsored by a bar in Auburn called Spinouts. The =
person or team who kills the most crows wins, then the crows get dumped =
in the trash. =20
Problem? Auburn, NY has had as many as 50,000 crows roost in the =
city during winter nights. More recently that number has been reduced =
to about 25,000 crows which may be mostly related to the West Nile virus =
according to Kevin McGowan. (ugh, I didn't realize WNV was that bad) =
See the Post-Standard article on the front page of today's paper, =
012403.
Here's my problem. I don't think these crow shoots are in the =
interest of birders. If crows need to be controlled, I think birders =
and scientists need to quickly find another solution than an annual =
killing event like this in Auburn. This sort of thing is liable to =
spread some disrespect for wildlife.
Syracuse has a large crow population, which I think I heard is =
estimated to be about 10,000 crows (I'd appreciate some input on this), =
but doesn't seem to breed the hate for crows as the roosts do in Auburn. =
I've heard people complain a bit about the noise the crows create in =
Syracuse, but no one I've talked to seems that upset about it. In fact, =
when ever I visited the crows in Syracuse, it wasn't that noisy at all. =
The crows in Syracuse certainly don't get the press that the crows in =
Auburn do. =20
I would like to understand the situation in Auburn better, and I'm =
concerned about the human dimensions of this situation. Maybe Auburn =
has a bigger problem than Syracuse, or maybe it's somewhat of a cultural =
or tolerance sort of situation. Maybe people in the Auburn area are =
more into hunting and find this sort of event quite entertaining.
Still, this event, which has been growing and is now being =
advertised more, sounds to me like a bad situation for those of us who =
are concerned about protecting wildlife. This event may prod people to =
take matters into their own hands without regard to what is effective or =
even good judgment.
The birders of CNY have to realize that this isn't a geographical =
area where we can sit quietly and let things be. It seems to me that we =
should take more of a responsibility to keep this distain for certain =
bird species in check. And then, if there is a consensus to control a =
species, weather we like it or not we may have to find the lesser of =
evils. (Did I just say that?) Well, when you're helpless, you take what =
you can get.
Tim Capone
Syracuse, NY 13219
tcapone(AT)twcny.rr.com
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Subject: Re: Hawk Owl
From: Andrew Mason <AndyMason(AT)EARTHLING.NET>
Date: 24 Jan 2003 3:05pm
This morning I went after the Hawk Owl in southern Montgomery Co. that Rich
Guthrie had reported earlier in the day. No luck, but conditions were
pretty brutal--very cold, strong west winds, blowing snow--so possibly the
bird was hunkered down.
Not much else in the vicinity. I did see one Rough-leg some distance away
and a flicker in a patch of sheltered woods.
Andy Mason
Andrew Mason
1039 Peck St.
Jefferson, NY 12093
(607) 652-2162
fax-(209) 844-2203
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Subject: Fw: Cayuga Lake Basin Report: January 15-21, 2003
From: Mickey Scilingo <mickey.scilingo(AT)GTE.NET>
Date: 24 Jan 2003 6:08pm
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Medler <mdm2(AT)cornell.edu>
To: Upstate NY Birding <CAYUGABIRDS-L(AT)cornell.edu>
Date: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:07 AM
Subject: Cayuga Lake Basin Report: January 15-21, 2003
>- Cayuga Lake Basin Report
>
>* New York
>* Cayuga Lake Basin
>* 21 January 2003
>* NYIT0301.21
>
>- Birds Mentioned
>
>Common Loon (Gavia immer)
>Tundra Swan (Cygnus columbianus)
>Snow Goose (Chen caerulescens)
>Canvasback (Aythya valisineria)
>Redhead (Aythya americana)
>Ring-necked Duck (Aythya collaris)
>Greater Scaup (Aythya marila)
>Long-tailed Duck (Clangula hyemalis)
>BARROW'S GOLDENEYE (Bucephala islandica)
>Red-breasted Merganser (Mergus serrator)
>Ruddy Duck (Oxyura jamaicensis)
>Rough-legged Hawk (Buteo lagopus)
>GYRFALCON (Falco rusticolus)
>LITTLE GULL (Larus minutus)
>Iceland Gull (Larus glaucoides)
>Short-eared Owl (Asio flammeus)
>Northern Shrike (Lanius excubitor)
>Horned Lark (Eremophila alpestris)
>Hermit Thrush (Catharus guttatus)
>Swamp Sparrow (Melospiza georgiana)
>Lapland Longspur (Calcarius lapponicus)
>Snow Bunting (Plectrophenax nivalis)
>
>- Transcript
>
>Hotline: Cayuga Lake Basin Report
>Dates: January 15-21, 2003
>To Report: e-mail mdm2(AT)cornell.edu and/or mja43(AT)cornell.edu
>Coverage: The Cayuga Lake Basin of central New York, including
portions of
>Tompkins, Cayuga, Wayne, Seneca, and Schuyler Counties
>Compilers: Mike Andersen and Matt Medler
>Compiled: January 23, 2003
>
>The immature gray-phase GYRFALCON first reported on the 11th was seen
on
>the 16th, and then again on the 19th (MA, JE, DL, TL; KR). This bird
>appears to be ranging widely along the east side of Cayuga Lake,
between
>the Villages of Union Springs and Aurora. It has been seen in the
vicinity
>of the southward-advancing ice edge on Cayuga Lake, where large
numbers of
>waterfowl and gulls have accumulated. This congregation of birds at
the
>ice edge included a drake BARROW'S GOLDENEYE, several thousand
REDHEAD, 50
>CANVASBACK, a handful of RED-BREASTED MERGANSERS, and 40 TUNDRA SWANS
(MA,
>JE, DL, TL; KR). The bitter cold weather this week has apparently
>discouraged any birders from searching for the Gyrfalcon and the
Barrow's
>Goldeneye since the 19th.
>
>A well-described first-winter LITTLE GULL was observed on the ice
edge at
>the south end of Cayuga Lake on the 16th; unfortunately, the bird
promptly
>flew south over Stewart Park and has not been seen since. This
species is
>a rare but annual visitor to the Basin, primarily during spring
migration,
>making this report an exceptional sighting. Birders searching for
the
>Little Gull on the 17th instead found a first-winter ICELAND GULL
(JE, DL).
>
>Two LONG-TAILED DUCKS were found offshore from Stewart Park on the
15th
>(TL). Myers Point in the Town of Lansing hosted a flock of ducks
that
>included large numbers of REDHEAD, CANVASBACK, RING-NECKED DUCKS, and
>GREATER SCAUP (JM & KM). A single COMMON LOON was seen farther from
shore.
>
>An immature NORTHERN SHRIKE was seen near the Basin boundary on Salt
Road
>in the Town of Groton on the 18th (SF). Another NORTHERN SHRIKE was
seen
>pursuing birds at a feeder on Mt. Pleasant on the 21st (PW). A
light-phase
>ROUGH-LEGGED HAWK was seen in the Town of Ithaca on the 18th. A
single
>SHORT-EARED OWL was seen along Rt. 90 just north of the turnoff for
Long
>Point State Park, south of the Village of Aurora.
>
>A HERMIT THRUSH was seen in the vicinity of Long Point State Park on
the
>18th (JM & KM). At nearby Aurora Bay, there was a single RUDDY DUCK,
two
>blue-phase SNOW GOOSE, and a flyby LONG-TAILED DUCK, among other
waterfowl.
>
>The Cornell Farms off of Rt. 38 in the Town of Dryden proved to be a
good
>place to see field birds, with one LAPLAND LONGSPUR mixed in with a
large
>flock of HORNED LARKS and SNOW BUNTINGS on the 18th (AMJ & TJ).
Observers
>there on the 21st found two LAPLAND LONGSPURS along with an estimated
50
>SNOW BUNTINGS and 1000 HORNED LARKS (EB & JG).
>
>Finally, a SWAMP SPARROW continues to be seen at the feeders at the
Cornell
>Lab of Ornithology.
>
>Observers: Mike Andersen, Eric Banford, Jesse Ellis, Steve Fast,
Jeff
>Gerbracht, Anne Marie Johnson, Tim Johnson, Dan Lebbin, Tim Lenz, Jay
>McGowan, Kevin McGowan, Ken Rosenberg, Peter Wrege.
>
>Good birding,
>Matt and Mike
>
>- End transcript
>
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Subject: GYRFALCON, Aurora, NY
From: "MattV." <fickity(AT)NETSCAPE.NET>
Date: 24 Jan 2003 6:19pm
Greetings! This morning at work I had the immature/gray phase
GYRFALCON at 9:19am. The location was Cayuga Lake, Town of Aurora,
County of Cayuga. It is 4 driveways south of Mackenzie-Childs and Gully
Rd. on Route 90 (not the Thruway). I was shoveling the bottom of my
employer's driveway, and took a break to scan the lake. I was hoping
for some good Ducks, when a huge hulk flew past my bins. I looked up,
and noticed a large Falcon-type seeming to have a problem flying north
into the wind. Then, it dawned on me...this was no problem! This is
how the Bird flies: stiff, choppy wing beats!
As the Bird approached, I noted the huge barrel chest, pointed wings
and massive build. The Bird had a mustache, but not distinct like a
Peregrine. It banked out toward some Geese that scattered. During its
descent and turn, I noted the pale remiges, or lighter back half of the
underwing. I guess it had no real interest in the Geese, for after the
veer, it continued its choppy-sloppy flight low and directly north up
the lake. Total viewing time was about 15-20 seconds.
I looked at the McGowan's photos the other day. I saw no white cap nor
mark on the GYRFALCON'S head. I guess that was a trick of the light?
--
Matt Victoria
Zone 5
Camillus, NY 13031 USA
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Subject: Re: Crow Killing Contest In Auburn
From: Betty Armbruster <barm17(AT)EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: 24 Jan 2003 6:22pm
on 1/24/2003 8:29 AM, Tim Capone at tcapone(AT)TWCNY.RR.COM wrote:
> Don't panic, only a hundred and sixty people signed up for last years contest
> partly sponsored by a bar in Auburn called Spinouts. The person or team who
> kills the most crows wins, then the crows get dumped in the trash.
>
> Problem? Auburn, NY has had as many as 50,000 crows roost in the city during
> winter nights. More recently that number has been reduced to about 25,000
> crows which may be mostly related to the West Nile virus according to Kevin
> McGowan. (ugh, I didn't realize WNV was that bad) See the Post-Standard
> article on the front page of today's paper, 012403.
>
> Here's my problem. I don't think these crow shoots are in the interest of
> birders. If crows need to be controlled, I think birders and scientists need
> to quickly find another solution than an annual killing event like this in
> Auburn. This sort of thing is liable to spread some disrespect for wildlife.
>
> Syracuse has a large crow population, which I think I heard is estimated to
be
> about 10,000 crows (I'd appreciate some input on this), but doesn't seem to
> breed the hate for crows as the roosts do in Auburn. I've heard people
> complain a bit about the noise the crows create in Syracuse, but no one I've
> talked to seems that upset about it. In fact, when ever I visited the crows
> in Syracuse, it wasn't that noisy at all. The crows in Syracuse certainly
> don't get the press that the crows in Auburn do.
>
> I would like to understand the situation in Auburn better, and I'm concerned
> about the human dimensions of this situation. Maybe Auburn has a bigger
> problem than Syracuse, or maybe it's somewhat of a cultural or tolerance sort
> of situation. Maybe people in the Auburn area are more into hunting and find
> this sort of event quite entertaining.
>
> Still, this event, which has been growing and is now being advertised more,
> sounds to me like a bad situation for those of us who are concerned about
> protecting wildlife. This event may prod people to take matters into their
> own hands without regard to what is effective or even good judgment.
>
> The birders of CNY have to realize that this isn't a geographical area where
> we can sit quietly and let things be. It seems to me that we should take
more
> of a responsibility to keep this distain for certain bird species in check.
> And then, if there is a consensus to control a species, weather we like it or
> not we may have to find the lesser of evils. (Did I just say that?) Well,
> when you're helpless, you take what you can get.
>
> Tim Capone
> Syracuse, NY 13219
> tcapone(AT)twcny.rr.com
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The city of Utica used noise and lights to scare the crows away. They did
this each evening for about a week. It seems to have worked.
Betty Armbruster
barm17(AT)earthlink.net
South of Utica, NY
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Subject: Re: Crow Killing Contest In Auburn
From: Jon Robson <jrobson(AT)adccopies.com>
Date: 24 Jan 2003 6:27pm
Hi Tim,
This story has been in the news lately and while I don't advocate the
killing of crows. It is not as simple as getting together a few well
meaning people to solve this issue. Dozens of ideas have been tried or
considered and nothing has yet been successful in this matter.
I live in Auburn and the numbers are no where near to 25 or 50,000.
Think more like 200,000+. I have watched the numbers for years as my
office is in the heart of the area they roost and it is truly
spectacular to see the evening movements. They live in an area along the
outlet for about two miles that is well lit, has limited ground cover
(it runs along the prison wall) and there is plenty of running water.
The noise is so bad that if you're near the area you will need to shout
to be heard. When the film crew was hear from the Discovery Channel they
were amazed at the numbers they saw.
I read a news clipping from 130 years ago that estimated the numbers of
crows roosting nearby, for the last thirty years at that time, was in
excess of 150,000. These numbers don't mean anything until you realize
the tremendous amount of waste these birds leave behind. The local
Holiday Inn actual has customers bombarded on their way into the hotel.
When they come out in the AM their cars are so covered that they
literally can't see out the windows. The same is at all the downtown
parking areas, the Police Station and the Fire Station.
The local car wash owner has to sterilize the bays every day and his
employees have to wear respirators. It is a major local nuisance.
Jon Robson
Auburn, NY,
Problem? Auburn, NY has had as many as 50,000 crows roost in the
city during winter nights. More recently that number has been reduced
to about 25,000 crows which may be mostly related to the West Nile virus
according to Kevin McGowan. (ugh, I didn't realize WNV was that bad)
See the Post-Standard article on the front page of today's paper,
012403.
Here's my problem. I don't think these crow shoots are in the
interest of birders. If crows need to be controlled, I think birders
and scientists need to quickly find another solution than an annual
killing event like this in Auburn. This sort of thing is liable to
spread some disrespect for wildlife.
I would like to understand the situation in Auburn better, and I'm
concerned about the human dimensions of this situation. Maybe Auburn
has a bigger problem than Syracuse, or maybe it's somewhat of a cultural
or tolerance sort of situation. Maybe people in the Auburn area are
more into hunting and find this sort of event quite entertaining.
Still, this event, which has been growing and is now being
advertised more, sounds to me like a bad situation for those of us who
are concerned about protecting wildlife. This event may prod people to
take matters into their own hands without regard to what is effective or
even good judgment.
The birders of CNY have to realize that this isn't a geographical
area where we can sit quietly and let things be. It seems to me that we
should take more of a responsibility to keep this distain for certain
bird species in check. And then, if there is a consensus to control a
species, weather we like it or not we may have to find the lesser of
evils. (Did I just say that?) Well, when you're helpless, you take what
you can get.
Tim Capone
Syracuse, NY 13219
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Subject: Syracuse RBA - January 24, 2003
From: Mickey Scilingo <mickey.scilingo(AT)GTE.NET>
Date: 24 Jan 2003 10:46pm
Compiled by: Mickey Scilingo=20
RBA BirdBox: 315-637-0318
E-mail: mickey.scilingo(AT)gte.net
Onondaga Audubon Home Page:
www.onondagaaudubon.org
=20
# 4 - Friday, January 24, 2003
=20
Birding within the Syracuse city limits has had its rewards within the =
last 7 days. The PEREGRINE FALCON continues downtown, where it may be =
found at a few of its favorite perches, namely the HSBC building and the =
Civic Center. On Saturday, a first winter GLAUCOUS GULL was found at =
the Inner Harbor, where Onondaga Creek enters Onondaga Lake. There is a =
parking area along Kirkpatrick Street that allows access to viewing the =
harbor. On Tuesday, the Glaucous Gull was not found, but a HORNED GREBE =
and a BELTED KINGFISHER were present. There has also been an AMERICAN =
COOT present in the harbor as well. A few hundred COMMON MERGANSERS =
were in the southwest corner of Onondaga Lake last weekend, but the =
highlight was surely the 3 adult BALD EAGLES that were present on =
Saturday. On the city's west side, a CAROLINA WREN was seen visiting a =
feeding station on Wednesday that has also hosted a few WHITE-THROATED =
SPARROWS since late December.
COMMON REDPOLLS were reported visiting a feeder in Granby, just outside =
of Fulton last Friday, but there have been no additional reports since =
then. Another feeder just south of Fulton continues to host a small =
group of PURPLE FINCHES, while single PURPLE FINCHES were at the Beaver =
Lake Nature Center feeding station on Thursday, and at a feeder in =
Camillus early in the week. The Camillus feeder has also has as many as =
3 WHITE-THROATED SPARROWS visit this week. In Manlius, a female =
YELLOW-BELLIED SAPSUCKER has been a regular visitor to a suet feeder at =
a residence along Rt 92. Finishing up with feeder reports, 2 CAROLINA =
WRENS were at a feeder in Baldwinsville during a snow squall on Monday.
Last weekend in Phoenix, a male BARROW'S GOLDENEYE was seen briefly =
among several hundred COMMON GOLDENEYES on the Oswego River on Saturday, =
but could not be relocated later in the day. A consolation prize, =
however, was a GREEN-WINGED TEAL that was found among the COMMON and =
HOODED MERGANSERS. The next day, an adult LESSER BLACK-BACKED GULL was =
among the gulls flying and feeding below the dam, while 7 TUNDRA SWANS =
were at the river bend north of the bridge.
The recent trend of numerous winter BALD EAGLE reports continues this =
week with several other sightings besides the Onondaga Lake birds. On =
Saturday, an adult was seen flying south along the Oswego River towards =
Phoenix. On Sunday morning, an adult Eagle was seen flying north along =
the shoreline of Lake Ontario near the mouth of Sage Creek. Farther =
south along the shoreline, a second year bird was seen feeding on the =
ice, while a third year bird was perched in a tree. On Tuesday, an =
immature BALD EAGLE was perched in a tree over West Canada Creek along =
Rt 8 near Poland.
A GRAY CATBIRD was seen along the entrance road to Fair Haven State Park =
last Saturday, about 100 yards before the fee collector's booth, but =
that was before this weeks constant Lake-effect snows and bitter cold =
temperatures. On Sunday, a PIED-BILLED GREBE and an AMERICAN COOT were =
seen on the Seneca River from Marble Street in Baldwinsville, along with =
2 pairs of HOODED MERGANSERS and a female COMMON MERGANSER. In =
Westmoreland, a group of about 40 HORNED LARKS were having a tough time =
feeding on a manure spread in the driving wind and blowing snow along =
Spring Rd on Wednesday.
There is a second hand report this week of a SNOWY OWL along Rt 5 =
between Chittenango and Canastota. The bird was seen last Friday, =
January 17, in a field across from the Believer's Chapel, which is =
located between Quarry and Jennings Rd. The bird was searched for but =
not found on Wednesday, but a male NORTHERN HARRIER was found hunting =
over the fields.
There are 2 extralimital reports that Region 5 birders should be aware =
of. The first is an immature gray morph GYRFALCON that has been seen =
irregularly along the east shore of Cayuga Lake since January 11, and =
was last seen this morning flying north past Aurora along Rt 90, near =
MacKenzie-Childs. The GYRFALCON has been seen from several places along =
the lakeshore, ranging from near Farley's Point southward to near the =
Aurora boat house and Long Point State Park, and it might take several =
attempts at several different locations for someone to be lucky enough =
to find it.
The second report is that of a NORTHERN HAWK OWL that was reported in =
Montgomery County last week, but seen again yesterday, January 23. The =
bird was found in a field in the town of Root. Directions from the =
Syracuse area are as follows: Take US Rt 20 east to the town of =
Carlisle, Schoharie County (roughly 90-100 miles from where Rt 20 =
intersects with I-81, and fairly close to Howe Caverns). In Carlisle, =
head north on Rt 7A for about 1.6 miles. Just after crossing the =
Montgomery County line, look for the 3/10 mile marker along the road. =
The bird has been seen on both sides of the road from this location.
On Sunday, February 2, Bill Purcell will lead a field trip to the Oswego =
River and Harbor to look for wintering waterfowl and gulls. Contact =
Bill at 668-2871 or wpurcell(AT)twcny.rr.com for more information.
Mickey Scilingo
Parish, NY
mickey.scilingo(AT)gte.net
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Subject: Re: Crow Killing Contest In Auburn
From: Tim Capone <tcapone(AT)TWCNY.RR.COM>
Date: 25 Jan 2003 12:18am
Thanks for your input. That was very informative. I have to see this event
in Auburn for myself. I've been wanting to photograph the crows
artistically. I better hurry up.
I've been perusing the net to find more information and it seems that
remedies are rather whimsical. Sometimes the crows just leave. I read at
www.newsok.com that the residents of Crow's Roost, Oklahoma actually miss
their birds after they left. Can anyone in Auburn believe that? They
probably won't miss the birds in Crow's Roost if they ever came back.
Still, I think this event is not a good situation for conservationists. I
don't like the idea of killing wild birds for fun. I'd rather see some
state agency have all the fun. I feel that this type of behavior would
spark people to take wildlife matters into there own hands. I worry that
the event would spark disrespect for wildlife, so to me finding a better and
more successful solution is important. And I wonder how people in Auburn
find a crow shoot acceptable, while I believe that this sort of event
wouldn't fly here in the Syracuse area (or Onondaga County).
I do think birders should be concerned, very concerned. The sponsor's and
participants realize that this event won't put much of a dent in the
roosting population. And this event isn't stopping adult birds from
nesting, so other crows will just return next year. It's just for fun and a
way to relieve some people's frustrations with the birds. Hunting is one
thing, but this is a type of slaughter.
I need to understand better what the citizens of Auburn endure winter
nights. Maybe I should be very concerned about their quality of life. But
this event is a little much. I feel it's important to find another solution
and not let this sort of event take place like this. Maybe there is a way
that these participants can take a more serious approach to the matter.
Remember however, that even with the WNV killing so many crows, the roosts
are still enormous. Hopefully Auburn will find away to discourage the roost
at least for my sake.
Tim Capone
Syracuse, NY 13219
tcapone(AT)twcny.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Robson" <jrobson(AT)adccopies.com>
To: <ONEIDABIRDS(AT)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: Crow Killing Contest In Auburn
> Hi Tim,
> This story has been in the news lately and while I don't advocate the
> killing of crows. It is not as simple as getting together a few well
> meaning people to solve this issue. Dozens of ideas have been tried or
> considered and nothing has yet been successful in this matter.
> I live in Auburn and the numbers are no where near to 25 or 50,000.
> Think more like 200,000+. I have watched the numbers for years as my
> office is in the heart of the area they roost and it is truly
> spectacular to see the evening movements. They live in an area along the
> outlet for about two miles that is well lit, has limited ground cover
> (it runs along the prison wall) and there is plenty of running water.
> The noise is so bad that if you're near the area you will need to shout
> to be heard. When the film crew was hear from the Discovery Channel they
> were amazed at the numbers they saw.
> I read a news clipping from 130 years ago that estimated the numbers of
> crows roosting nearby, for the last thirty years at that time, was in
> excess of 150,000. These numbers don't mean anything until you realize
> the tremendous amount of waste these birds leave behind. The local
> Holiday Inn actual has customers bombarded on their way into the hotel.
> When they come out in the AM their cars are so covered that they
> literally can't see out the windows. The same is at all the downtown
> parking areas, the Police Station and the Fire Station.
> The local car wash owner has to sterilize the bays every day and his
> employees have to wear respirators. It is a major local nuisance.
>
>
>
> Jon Robson
> Auburn, NY,
>
>
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Subject: Re: Crow Killing Contest In Auburn
From: Carolyn Keefe <CARJK209(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 25 Jan 2003 1:41am
Wow!! I really didn't realize what the roost was like for someone living in
Auburn. I, like you, really want to see the roost. So does my friend Brenda
Best. I can't just drive down there now to see it because I recently had foot
surgery and am out of the birding loop, so to speak!
I am very sorry that it has come to this. I am a very big Corvid fan. I have
books, videos, and my own little gang of five crows that nest in my yard and,
even though they are very wary birds, they aren't as afraid of me as they
used to be. They eat peanuts and other nice stuff I throw out the window for
them. They're fun to watch. They are afraid of the squirrels under the
feeders! I like the Blue Jays, too. I've seen Clark's Nutcrackers out west,
Magpies and Rooks in Europe... and so on. I have a stuffed animal crow
puppet on the top of my computer hard drive!
I have a very hard time understanding anyone who wants to shoot animals for
fun. I should think that anyone who has had pets knows how special all
creatures are. I have always had pets, and also have 6 pet birds. I read the
whole Post Standard article and I am always mystified by the guy...isn't it
always a guy??... who says he loves to go into the big outdoors and be one
with nature and shoot birds!! Why would anyone want to kill birds? But I
have to admit it unfortunately looks as though some people really have a hard
time with all the mess in Auburn. I'm so glad you sent me that post from the
guy in Auburn. Before I read that post, it seemed to me that these people
promoting the crow shoot contest were just like the people in Higgins,
Pennsylvania, who for decades each Labor Day held a great fun family event---
a canned Pigeon shoot! The pigeons were caged, then let out and as they flew
up, they were shot. Then children ran out and grabbed the shot birds and
stuffed them into a trash barrel, whether they were dead or not. Sometimes
they held the bird up for the families to see, and broke the bird's neck! I
have a video sent to me by a group trying desperately to stop these horrors.
It worked, at least last year, and Higgins held no Labor Day pigeon shoot! I
called the chamber of commerce and said I would never vacation in PA the year
before that.
But at least there is a reason this is going on in Auburn. Not that I agree
with what they are doing! I can't imagine shooting a bird unless it was
killing my child (!!??) or I was starving to death and it was to be food.
Have you read Ravens in Winter? It's great! If you locate the address of the
Auburn newspaper-- or maybe I could by calling the Post Standard-- maybe I'll
write a letter.
Thanks again.
Carolyn Keefe
Canastota
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Subject: Book Suggestion - Pigeon Shoot
From: Jody Hildreth <jody(AT)KIDWINGS.COM>
Date: 25 Jan 2003 12:43pm
Hello All,
In the middle of all this talk about killing crows, Carolyn commented on a
pigeon shoot that used to take place in Pennsylvania. If anyone wants a
touching story to read about this event, I would suggest 'Wringer' by the
Newbury Medal-winning author Jerry Spinelli. This book was written for
pre-teens and younger teens, but I am sure adults will love it too. It is
about a soon-to-be 10 year old boy who does not want to take part in the
events of the pigeon shoot, particularly of wringing the bird's necks - an
honor given to the 10 year old boys.
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Subject: Re: Crow Killing Contest In Auburn
From: Chad Witko <cjtrapper(AT)YAHOO.COM>
Date: 25 Jan 2003 1:42pm
Birders,
I have off and on been reading the post for the
crow killing in Auburn and I admit I am probably not
as on top of the subject as much as others are. I am a
very avid birder and spend as many hours in the field
as I can fit into my academic schedule, as well as
traveling to as many places as I can manage. But it
should be of note that I am a hunter as well. Very few
people I'm sure can understand this dichotomy, as well
as understand both points of view. My main statement
is this. While I don't know the specifics of the crow
shooting, I for one agree with the fact that if it
done soley for fun then it is truly a matter which
should be dealt with. However I don't agree with the
fact of using OneidaBirds to be used as a voice of
opinion on shooting birds. I know that while most
people that are birders don't agree with hunting, most
of them also don't understand why we do it and what it
means to us. I for one take much offense to a
statement recently posted which I quote "isn't it
always a guy??... who says he loves to go into the big
outdoors and be
one
with nature and shoot birds!!" While it is true that
much of the dwindling hunting populace is male, I know
a good number of females which enjoy the outdoors as
well as hunting in them. In the hunting/anti-hunting
battle, no one is 'right' or 'wrong' and both people
are entitled to their opinions and feelings. However
as an avid birder I feel this listserve should not be
used to bash hunting or male hunters. I would like to
greatly watch the discussion about Auburn and its
crows continue...as long as it deals with the matter
at hand and not questioning why certain people,
especially hunters shoot birds. I appologize if this
offends people and feel free to e-mail me if you have
any comments.
Chad Witko
Syracuse NY
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Subject: ADMIN: Crow Thread
From: Jody Hildreth <jody(AT)KIDWINGS.COM>
Date: 25 Jan 2003 2:01pm
Hello All,
This has been an informative thread, however, I feel I need to remind
everyone of topics that should not be discussed on the Oneidabirds list.
Everyone received this list in the welcome message when you signed up. Here
it is:
Topics that should not be discussed on Oneidabirds include:
* Virus Alerts
* Chain Letters
* Pet Birds
* Ethics of hunting and/or falconry
* Politics and arguments (but news is welcomed)
I am not ending this thread, but I feel that Chad's recent post was well
worded and that we should not be voicing opinions of hunting on this list.
Information about hunting could be acceptable, but please keep opinions
about hunting to yourself.
I also want to remind everyone that you should include in your posts three
pieces of information: your real name, your e-mail address, and your
location.
Good birding to all!
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Subject: Horned Grebe, White-winged Scoter
From: Gene Huggins <gwren70(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 25 Jan 2003 2:16pm
Gene Huggins
Syracuse, N.Y.
A Horned Grebe was seen in Syracuse's Inner Harbor this morning at 9:45
off
of W. Kirkpatick St., but the Glaucous Gull was no where to be seen. A
female White-winged Scoter was observed above the dam in an open lead of
water near
the seven cement pillars in Phoenix at 11:00 am. Good Birding.
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Subject: Syracuse Crows
From: Gene Huggins <gwren70(AT)AOL.COM>
Date: 25 Jan 2003 2:49pm
Hi Ruth,
I don't know what the total count for American Crow was for the Syracuse
Christmas Bird Count, but Sector G had a total of 6,902 on Dec. 14th, 2002.
Sector G had 8,127 on Dec. 15th, 2001 and 9,441 on Dec. 16th, 2000. So
it appears the population may be going down over the last two years in Sector
G of the SYCBC. On Dec. 23rd. I came to a close estimate of how many Crows
are coming in from Dewitt to roost in Oakwood Cem. and downtown Syracuse.
I counted 2,708 across from Temple Adath Yeshurun on Kimber Rd.
Gene Huggins
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Subject: Oswego
From: Gregg Dashnau <gdashnau(AT)TWCNY.RR.COM>
Date: 25 Jan 2003 5:04pm
Hello everyone
There is more ice than water in Oswego now. In fact the only open water
is below the dams and extending to Colemans Irish pub. The harbor is
completely filled with pack ice and the ice extends roughly 1 mile out
from shore. It's quite a sight. There were a few birds flying around out
over the ice though. In the open water on the river were: RB Mergansers,
Bufflehead, C. Goldeneye, Scaup and Long-tails. On the ice near the open
water was a GBBG eating the innards out of a fresh (not frozen)
long-tailed duck. I can only speculate about how it ended up with its meal.
The Fort overlook was not plowed on Saturday, you'll have to park and walk.
Good birding
Gregg Dashnau
Baldwinsville, NY
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Subject: Northern Hawk Owl
From: Matthew Young <grosbeak(AT)CLARITYCONNECT.COM>
Date: 25 Jan 2003 8:31pm
Hello,
Today I had killer looks at the NORTHERN HAWK OWL in the town of Root,
Montgomery County. The bird was very cooperative like most Hawk Owls. I
will say this bird is noticeably smaller than the bird I saw at
Bloomingdale Bog 2 winters ago. The bird did seem plenty healthy though.
Simply put, Hawk Owls are really cool birds and worth the travel. Other
birds seen on my trip to Oneonta and then to Root were: 2 COMMON RAVENS in
Norwich; a NORTHERN SHRIKE off the side of Rt 88 in the town of Maryland; a
DARK-MORPH ROUGH-LEGGED HAWK off Rt 88 in Richmondville; and a few
RED-TAILED HAWKS near were the Hawk Owl was. Again, the bird was in the top
of the tree in the front yard of an old farmhouse at mile marker 3 on
Corbin Hill Rd(aka Rt 7A). The bird was also seen about a mile north of the
farmhouse on Corbin Hill. The area is a bit of a maze; an alternative route
would be to take the most direct road to Rt 20 and then head north on
Corbin Hill Rd.
Matt Young
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Georgetown NY
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Subject: Saturday's Birding
From: Bill Purcell <wpurcell(AT)TWCNY.RR.COM>
Date: 25 Jan 2003 8:40pm
Some Onondaga County observations from Saturday:
Church Road, Marcellus - the farm had a manure spread but no birds,
but just to the NW on Ricard Road N of Coon Hill Road, Town of
Skaneateles - 310 Horned Larks and 118 Snow Buntings on a manure
spread close to the road. I worked these birds for over 30 minutes
'til my face froze but couldn't come up with a Longspur.
Route 20 to Buckwheat Road to Oak Hill Rd. to Route 80 to Vincent
Corners - 1 Red-tailed Hawk, only raptor seen in southern Onondaga
County for the day. In the Vincent Corners area there were several
manure spreads with no buntings or larks but 109 Wild Turkeys were at
the farm near Rt 80.
South end Onondaga Lake viewed at a distance from Butler Fence Co. -
2100 Common Mergs, 450 Great Black-backed Gulls, 400 Herring Gulls
(could have been white-wingers but they were not seen at a good
angle). Lots of Blacks and Mallards, a few Gadwall, Scaup and
Bufflehead. Other stuff there included Great Blue Heron, Northern
Harrier, Kingfisher, Flicker and Mockingbird. At the Inner Harbor
there was a Coot along with Mallards and a few gulls.
Could not find the Peregrine in downtown Syracuse but it was getting
late in the day so I went to Onondaga Park (not Onondaga LAKE Park)
to look for the Merlin. Saw over 2000 Crows flying in from the SW &
W, staging in the trees before flying off to roost in the valley
below. Bernie Carr was also there and we waited until 5:45 PM but no
Merlin came in. At one point we heard something in the 6 or so spruce
trees nearby and walked over, flushing a Great Horned Owl. The Owl
must have been working its way down from the denser branches to a
point where it could fly out.
Bill Purcell
Hastings NY 13076
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Subject: Snowy Owl - North of Watertown
From: Bernie Carr <bcarr(AT)ZHIGHWAY.NET>
Date: 25 Jan 2003 9:51pm
Dave Prosser sent me this post regarding a Snowy Owl- north of =
Watertown. Good luck.
The Snowy Owl, first reported by Jeff Bolsinger, can be located at the =
folowing location: 2.1 miles south of the Indian River High School on =
Rt 11. I you are heading north on Rt 11 it will be on a red barn on =
your right side to the road. if you are headed south from the Indian =
River High School. the red barn will be 2.1 miles south of the school =
and will be on your left side of the road. I saw the bird on Thursaday, =
January, 23 at about 9:00am.
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Subject: Re: ADMIN: Crow Thread
From: Tim Capone <tcapone(AT)TWCNY.RR.COM>
Date: 25 Jan 2003 11:11pm
It never occurred to me to think of this as hunting. The quotes by some of
the sponsors made me think of this event as a slaughter seeing as Mr.
McGowan didn't think that the contest would disperse the crows. The
shooting occurs outside the city limits as hunting inside the city is
illegal. It never occurred to me that this thread would lead to a
discussion about the ethics of hunting.
If something needs to be done about the roosting crows, I would think that
it should occur where they roost. Gerry Rising wrote about police shooting
crows on the Notre Dame campus to disperse the roost. I'd rather see
something like that than to have a public event getting a few hundred people
to shoot animals they see as a nuisance. I think the ramifications of such
an event could be counter productive to conservation efforts as far as
public attitude goes.
Is this hunting or a slaughter? I think this event walks a thin line. I
think this event is sort of like the raptor shootings that use to occur at
Hawk Mountain in Pennsylvania.
So my apologies if this thread gets ugly, but I know Mr. Hildreth will
prevent that (sorry about putting you in that position). I put my two cents
in, I don't have anything further to say.
Tim Capone
Syracuse, NY
tcapone(AT)twcny.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jody Hildreth" <jody(AT)KIDWINGS.COM>
To: <ONEIDABIRDS(AT)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 1:05 PM
Subject: ADMIN: Crow Thread
> Hello All,
>
> This has been an informative thread, however, I feel I need to remind
> everyone of topics that should not be discussed on the Oneidabirds list.
> Everyone received this list in the welcome message when you signed up.
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> I am not ending this thread, but I feel that Chad's recent post was well
> worded and that we should not be voicing opinions of hunting on this list.
> Information about hunting could be acceptable, but please keep opinions
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> I also want to remind everyone that you should include in your posts three
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> Good birding to all!
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