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PABIRDS for Wednesday, October 20, 2004

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 Subject From Time 
 [PABIRDS] Young Red Tailed Hawk in Hershey  Art Schiavo   1:42am 
 [PABIRDS] Ruffed Grouse Tragedy  Art Schiavo   1:56am 
 [PABIRDS] Bird Population News Article  Tammy Serata   6:58am 
 Re: [PABIRDS] Ring-necked Pheasant  MICHAEL   7:28am 
 [PABIRDS] HSR: Allegheny Front (19 Oct 2004) 0 Raptors  reports(AT)HAWKCOUNT.OR  7:56am 
 [PABIRDS] Admin:Attachemnts to PABIRDS  Carmen T. Santasania  8:04am 
 [PABIRDS] Administration:Review of Posting Rules to PABIRDS  Carmen T. Santasania  8:08am 
 [PABIRDS] Brant, Northampton County  Wiltraut, Richard E  8:40am 
 [PABIRDS] Phone list comments  John and Lisa Fedak   8:55am 
 Re: [PABIRDS] Brant, Northampton County  Wiltraut, Richard E  11:35am 
 Re: [PABIRDS] Phone list comments  Matt Sharp   1:45pm 
 Re: [PABIRDS] Phone list comments  Scott Weidensaul   1:53pm 
 Re: [PABIRDS] Phone list comments  MikeChm(AT)AOL.COM  2:57pm 
 [PABIRDS] oops - Phone chain  Matt Sharp   4:03pm 
 [PABIRDS] Yay! Snow Geese, Bucks  Bill Etter   4:24pm 
 [PABIRDS] HSR: Allegheny Front (20 Oct 2004) 0 Raptors  reports(AT)HAWKCOUNT.OR  4:53pm 
 [PABIRDS] HSR: Rose Tree Park (20 Oct 2004) 57 Raptors  reports(AT)HAWKCOUNT.OR  5:43pm 
 [PABIRDS] Falcon shows at the shorebird festival, Clinton Co., 10/20  Wayne Laubscher   6:05pm 
 Re: [PABIRDS] Phone list comments  Carmen T. Santasania  7:22pm 
 [PABIRDS] DVOC BANQUET UPDATE  Frank Windfelder   7:26pm 
 [PABIRDS] Nockamixon, Bucks Co  Bill Etter   7:31pm 
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[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [PABIRDS] Young Red Tailed Hawk in Hershey From: Art Schiavo <redsockfan(AT)COMCAST.NET> Date: 20 Oct 2004 1:42am This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- On Monday last week, upon leaving work (around 5:30PM), I was suprised = to see this hawk perched on a light standard at the entrance road to = Hershey Nursery and Northeast Drive, behind The Outlets Of Hershey = Shopping Mall. I doubled back to the office to get our digital camera, = fearing the bird would be gone when I returned! No fear, he basically = ignored my wandering about and taking a dozen or so pics! Maybe, he'll = take care of the rabbitt problem we're having in our plant = yard.........I've attached a few photos........hope you folks can open = them.......Art Schiavo, General Manager, Hershey Nursery Art Schiavo 1648 E. Caracas Ave. Hershey, PA 17033-1109 717-533-1978 redsockfan(AT)comcast.net ----DELETED image/jpeg MIME SECTION---- ----DELETED image/jpeg MIME SECTION---- ----DELETED image/jpeg MIME SECTION---- ----DELETED image/jpeg MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [PABIRDS] Ruffed Grouse Tragedy From: Art Schiavo <redsockfan(AT)COMCAST.NET> Date: 20 Oct 2004 1:56am This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Last Wednesday, a female ruffed grouse flew into our plate glass window = at approximately 3:00 PM, was stunned and took cover in a nearby juniper = bush. In trying to retrieve the bird from the bush, with help from John = Carricato of Dauphin County Wildlife Rescue, it eventually flushed and = flew straight 50yards into our pole barn, breaking its neck. We were = all of course very disheartened over our encounter with this = magnificient bird! .......Art Schiavo, General Manager, Hershey = Nursery.........the nursery is just east of Hersheypark, behind The = Outlet Mall on Northeast Drive. p.s. attached are some photos of the bird. Art Schiavo 1648 E. Caracas Ave. Hershey, PA 17033-1109 717-533-1978 redsockfan(AT)comcast.net ----DELETED image/jpeg MIME SECTION---- ----DELETED image/jpeg MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [PABIRDS] Bird Population News Article From: Tammy Serata <Tammy.Serata(AT)comcast.net> Date: 20 Oct 2004 6:58am Bird Population Taking A Hit WASHINGTON, Oct. 20, 2004 (AP) The feathered creatures winging across North America have an obvious gift that land-bound humans lack, but their survival is threatened by earthly concerns. Almost 30 percent of bird populations on the continent are facing a "significant decline," The National Audubon Society said in its first "The State of the Birds" report Tuesday. The group studied data from 1966 to 2003 for 654 bird species that live in grasslands, shrublands, forests, waterways and urban settings. Most dire was the finding that 70 percent of the species in grasslands - such as the Eastern Meadowlark, Bobolink, Short-eared owl and Greater Prairie-Chicken - are doing poorly. For those in shrublands - including the Northern Bobwhite, Painted Bunting and Florida Scrub-Jay - 36 percent of species are not doing well. Among forests, a quarter of bird species are declining; for urban areas, 23 percent; wetlands, 13 percent. The group described the losses as abnormal, and said they could be seen as ecological indicators of problems that people also are or will soon be facing. Because of that, the group called for more protections for those habitats and increased conservation efforts by private landowners and homeowners. "Like the canary in the coal mine warning the miner of danger ahead, birds are an indicator of environmental and human health," John Flicker, president of the society, said. "Birds also contribute to the bottom line in more subtle ways, providing free pest and weed control, distributing seeds, and pollinating flowers and crops." Through federal gift-giving, Interior Secretary Gale Norton has encouraged private landowners to conserve wildlife habitat. And the agency's Fish and Wildlife Service has for nearly 50 years checked on populations of North American waterfowl and health of ponds and marshes. Those who conduct the annual surveys have cited loss of wetlands and swamps as among their biggest concerns. __________________________________________________ Posted by: Tammy Serata Chester County, PA Tammy.Serata(AT)comcast.net
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: [PABIRDS] Ring-necked Pheasant From: MICHAEL <aquilla2(AT)SUSCOM.NET> Date: 20 Oct 2004 7:28am As a kid, I can remember an episode of ABC's American Sportsman, Pheasant hunting in Lancaster to the backdrop of Amish buggys. That episode hailed the exceptional habitat of SE PA. When I moved to the area,(18 yrs ago) I can remember listening to cockbirds crow in the spring, as they established breeding rights. I remember when the ground was broken for an apartment complex, on the south side of US30 at the ramp for US222 north. The new piles of topsoil served as crowing points for pheasant males. Natural populations of pheasants in SE pa have plumeted because of loss of habitat, and increased earlier hay cutting. You want to see pheasant habitat look at any subdivision. townhouse or apartment complex. That is where it use to be. Michael A Sankovich Dover, PA Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:16:25 -0400 From: Scott Weidensaul <sweidnsl(AT)INFIONLINE.NET> Subject: Re: Ring-necked Pheasant I agree with Bill Etter that Bill Kimmich's pheasant was undoubtedly a stocked bird, because a wild ringneck is anything but "dopey:"...'tis the season for clueless fowl, though the PGC is not the only source, or even the biggest. A lot of hunting clubs, shooting preserves and private landowners buy and stock pheasants, and there was a special youth-only pheasant hunt in much of the state starting the day after Bill saw the bird. To answer Bill E.'s question, the PGC has cut back on stocking over the past 20 years, and now views it much the way the Fish and Boat Commission approaches trout stocking in many waterways -- strictly a put-and-take proposition. They do stock some females, since the game farms raise both (and in the more northerly or mountainous areas, hens are legal game -- generally speaking, the areas with little or no natural reproduction). The stocking is not geared toward repopulating the state, simply because that won't work; the agricultural and development landscape has changed radically in the past several decades, and we are unlikely to ever again see robust wild pheasant populations. No habitat, no birds. Stocking is thus strictly a recreation-based activity. Hope this helps, Scott Weidensaul Schuylkill Co. >Hi Bill, > >My guess is that the bird in question can probably hear and see just >fine. It was most likely rendered "senseless" due to the fact that >it was raised on a farm and only recently dumped out of a crate >somewhere near the area where you found it playing in traffic. Is >there a gameland nearby? Fall pheasants are generally a bit dopey >to say the least. You probably could have tackled it, hand fed it, >stuffed it down yr shirt, and taken it home if you'd tried real >hard... > >When pheasant hunters ask me if i've seen any birds, i like to say >that i just kicked one (fed one, pet one, sat on one, poked one in >the eye...whatever...)...right down the trail...you missed it, >sorry! It's a lie of course, cuz i have absolutely no interest in >kicking or sitting on idiot farm-raised birds, or any other bird for >that matter (except cowbirds maybe), but you see my point. I'm sure >they're challenging quarry somewhere, but not here in Bucks Co. > >So: MY question is, Does the Game Commission release female >pheasants? And if so, in what ratio to males? I've seen a ton o' >male Ring-necks, including a few road-kills, here since 08 October >(presumed release date), but no females. Haven't seen (m)any >females at all over the past two or three seasons, actually. Maybe >it's just me. Used to see hens more often i think...and i mean >presumed released females, not wild...think late 90's, early 00's. >Do hunters have any interest in hens? I sure wouldn't if i were a >hunter, but just wondering?! Is the PA release program geared at >all toward re-populating the species in PA, or simply for the >benefit of hunters? Any opinions? Answers are probably readily >available out there on the net, possibly buried in the PGC website >but i wasn't able to dig em up just now... > >See ya! > >Bill Etter >Lake Nockamixon >Bucks County > >>>Apologies for the delayed posting. Yesterday @ 2 PM while traveling north >>>on >Rts. 72 & 443 between Swatara Gap & Goldmine Rd. I spotted a male pheasant >walking along the east berm. As the couple cars ahead went past the bird it >continued to come closer to the traffic. As I passed it on a curve, >I continued >to watch the bird in my side-view mirror; it nearly walked between two >moving >vehicles before rising up & flying across to the other side of the >highway. I'm >happy to say it escaped all harm, but it was a close call. My question to >the >list serve is "don't these birds possess good hearing?" It had to hear the >car >engines & tires @ such a close distance. Also, are these birds farsighted? >Maybe it was just an individual with poor sensory awareness. > >Bill Kimmich >Camp Hill, PA >Fairview Twp. >York CO. ------------------------------
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [PABIRDS] HSR: Allegheny Front (19 Oct 2004) 0 Raptors From: reports(AT)HAWKCOUNT.ORG Date: 20 Oct 2004 7:56am Allegheny Front Hawkwatch, Central City, Pennsylvania, USA Daily Raptor Counts: Oct 19, 2004 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Species Day's Count Month Total Season Total ------------------ ----------- -------------- -------------- TV 0 195 195 BE 0 9 50 OS 0 8 147 NH 0 15 57 SS 0 521 838 CH 0 93 200 NG 0 2 5 RS 0 10 24 BW 0 1 5566 RT 0 458 763 RL 0 1 1 GE 0 7 7 AK 0 23 76 ML 0 16 24 PG 0 17 19 BV 0 21 47 UA 0 9 26 UB 0 7 32 UF 0 1 3 UE 0 0 2 UR 0 21 83 Total: 0 1435 8165 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (No count conducted today) Weather: Fog and rain Observations: Predictions: continued rain,east winds ======================================================================== Report submitted by Tom Dick ()
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [PABIRDS] Admin:Attachemnts to PABIRDS From: "Carmen T. Santasania" <CTSANTASANIA(AT)CS.COM> Date: 20 Oct 2004 8:04am All, Just a reminder that attachments are not permitted on PABIRDS. Two recent posts contained pictures that should have have gotten through the list, but for some reason that I cannot seem to understand yet they did. I had the list set to reject all attachments, but somehow and without my knowledege this was changed in the list control file. I will work to ensure that the attachments setting of no attachments will not be changed. Any questions, please email me privately at ctsantasania(AT)cs.com. Carmen T. Santasania listowner PABIRDS
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [PABIRDS] Administration:Review of Posting Rules to PABIRDS From: "Carmen T. Santasania" <CTSANTASANIA(AT)CS.COM> Date: 20 Oct 2004 8:08am All, Please review the guideline below. Thanks, Carmen T. Santasania Listowner PABIRDS WELCOME TO PABIRDS! *************************************** Please save this email message or print it out for future reference. *************************************** This list is hosted by the National Audubon Society and serves as a forum for birders to discuss all aspects of birdlife in Pennsylvania, including rare birds, bird findings, bird identification, bird behavior, backyard birding, trip reports, bird counts, and bird club information. The PABIRDS list will function as a large e-mail distribution list, linking the birding community in Pennsylvania together, electronically. The main limitations are those topics for discussion must be about wild birds and geographically limited to Pennsylvania. 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[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [PABIRDS] Brant, Northampton County From: "Wiltraut, Richard E" <rwiltraut(AT)STATE.PA.US> Date: 20 Oct 2004 8:40am Yesterday evening I found a single Brant at Christian Springs Rd. It was feeding on grass behind the vegetated pond. Also I saw what looked like about 50-75 Brant flying low over the Blue Mountain through Little Gap as I was driving to work on Route 33. Rick Wiltraut, EES Jacobsburg Environmental Education Center 835 Jacobsburg Road Wind Gap, PA 18091-9781 (610) 746-2810 (610) 746-2804 (fax) rwiltraut(AT)state.pa.us
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [PABIRDS] Phone list comments From: John and Lisa Fedak <jlfedak(AT)ATLANTICBB.NET> Date: 20 Oct 2004 8:55am I would have to agree with the Raven, everyone was given and still is given (as far as I know) the opportunity to join the phone chain. How is this excluding anybody. If you want to be notified, join the chain - if you don't care - then don't. The chain is not elitist, it is made up of people who are concerned about avian life in the state and who want to see it. Maybe what we should be asking is - 'Are the people on the chain documenting the birds that they do see and have chased?' Remember, I believe the original intent was to get birders to rarities fast so they could be documented well. If people are adding to their lists and enjoy chasing, so be it - but document chased birds. Also remember, not everyone on the chain can chase all of the rarities, so the entire chain is NOT going to show up at a rare bird. I feel the chain should be left as it is. If you want on it, join it, if not, then there is nothing to complain about. Why is someone always trying to create problems where none exist? Just my thoughts. Good Birding, John Fedak Bradford McKean County
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: [PABIRDS] Brant, Northampton County From: "Wiltraut, Richard E" <rwiltraut(AT)STATE.PA.US> Date: 20 Oct 2004 11:35am My mind is going. I meant to say that I saw the Brant flying through Wind Gap this morning, not Little Gap. Rick Wiltraut, EES Jacobsburg Environmental Education Center 835 Jacobsburg Road Wind Gap, PA 18091-9781 (610) 746-2810 (610) 746-2804 (fax) rwiltraut(AT)state.pa.us
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: [PABIRDS] Phone list comments From: Matt Sharp <sharp(AT)ACNATSCI.ORG> Date: 20 Oct 2004 1:45pm Perhaps I missed something here, but the question of whether or not to use to phone chain for a bird on private property should ultimately be answered by the property owner no? If the owner does not want the bird made public DONT use the phone chain if yes then do. Outside of that the question of who to alert should be left to the birder who knows about the bird and the property owner to negotiate. If the owner does not want the bird to be public knowledge but would allow a small number of people then that decision should be made without using the phone chain, and should acknowledge the fact that the more people you tell the more likely it is that "word will get out". It seems that using the phone chain will only facilitate problems and should only be used when access is not an issue. I think Dave DeReamus summed up the situation well. Respecting the property owners wishes is really the only way to go.
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: [PABIRDS] Phone list comments From: Scott Weidensaul <sweidnsl(AT)INFIONLINE.NET> Date: 20 Oct 2004 1:53pm It's my turn to ask if I missed something...I don't recall seeing the original post that apparently sparked this discussion, only John Fedak and Matt Sharp's comments. Did this inadvertently slop over from one of the other lists? Scott Weidensaul Schuylkill haven, Pa. >Perhaps I missed something here, but the question of whether >or not to use to phone chain for a bird on private property should >ultimately be answered by the property owner no? If the owner >does not want the bird made public DONT use the phone chain >if yes then do. > >Outside of that the question of who to alert should be left to the >birder who knows about the bird and the property owner to negotiate. >If the owner does not want the bird to be public knowledge but would >allow a small number of people then that decision should be made >without using the phone chain, and should acknowledge the fact >that the more people you tell the more likely it is that "word will get out". >It seems that using the phone chain will only facilitate problems and >should only be used when access is not an issue. > >I think Dave DeReamus summed up the situation well. Respecting >the property owners wishes is really the only way to go.
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: [PABIRDS] Phone list comments From: MikeChm(AT)AOL.COM Date: 20 Oct 2004 2:57pm I agree with Scott. I never received the original e-mail message that brought up the phone chain. What does this have to do with our listserv? If nothing, then please take it elsewhere. Thanks. Mike Chmielewski Levittown, PA
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [PABIRDS] oops - Phone chain From: Matt Sharp <sharp(AT)ACNATSCI.ORG> Date: 20 Oct 2004 4:03pm Gotta be more careful when using the reply to all button. A while back a Phone chain was started amongst some of PA's listers. My previous mssg was intended for that list of people. Still it seems a topic relevant to this forum - when to make a "rarity" on private property public. My feeling as I said is not to use any form of mass communication if the property owner does not permit it. Otherwise I think it best to negotiate access with the property owner for as many people as possible and if you (meaning someone who would want to come see the bird) are not "in" on that particular bird tough luck. Hope this is not inappropriate, as far as I know the phone-chain was public knowledge but I could not find a previous post about it in the archives. I figured though that since the cat was out of the bag I might as well clarify my comments Best to all Matt Sharp
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [PABIRDS] Yay! Snow Geese, Bucks From: Bill Etter <better(AT)NETCARRIER.COM> Date: 20 Oct 2004 4:24pm While doin some yard work just now, i heard Snow Geese. It took a minute to find em, but there were about 250 headin south, possibly toward Peace Valley (but maybe not...). New "yard bird" and my first flock of the fall. Alright! There was a merganser in the formation as well. See ya, Etter Perkasie, Bucks
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [PABIRDS] HSR: Allegheny Front (20 Oct 2004) 0 Raptors From: reports(AT)HAWKCOUNT.ORG Date: 20 Oct 2004 4:53pm Allegheny Front Hawkwatch, Central City, Pennsylvania, USA Daily Raptor Counts: Oct 20, 2004 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Species Day's Count Month Total Season Total ------------------ ----------- -------------- -------------- TV 0 195 195 BE 0 9 50 OS 0 8 147 NH 0 15 57 SS 0 521 838 CH 0 93 200 NG 0 2 5 RS 0 10 24 BW 0 1 5566 RT 0 458 763 RL 0 1 1 GE 0 7 7 AK 0 23 76 ML 0 16 24 PG 0 17 19 BV 0 21 47 UA 0 9 26 UB 0 7 32 UF 0 1 3 UE 0 0 2 UR 0 21 83 Total: 0 1435 8165 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Observation start time: 07:30:00 Observation end time: 10:00:00 Total observation time: 2.5 hours Official Counter: Tony Barle--Rosemary McGlynn Observers: Weather: Rain and dense fog. E winds, 6c. Vis. 0 Observations: Predictions: Mostly cloudy,40% chance rain and drizzle.SE winds 10mph. ======================================================================== Report submitted by Anthony Barle (abarle(AT)earthlink.net)
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [PABIRDS] HSR: Rose Tree Park (20 Oct 2004) 57 Raptors From: reports(AT)HAWKCOUNT.ORG Date: 20 Oct 2004 5:43pm Rose Tree Park Hawkwatch, Media, PA Pennsylvania, USA Daily Raptor Counts: Oct 20, 2004 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Species Day's Count Month Total Season Total ------------------ ----------- -------------- -------------- Turkey Vulture 2 80 89 Black Vulture 0 4 14 Osprey 2 33 186 Northern Harrier 1 11 38 Mississippi Kite 0 0 0 Bald Eagle 1 25 82 Sharp-shinned Hawk 34 420 984 Cooper's Hawk 7 76 173 Northern Goshawk 0 2 2 Red-shouldered Hawk 1 17 20 Broad-winged Hawk 0 35 3101 Swainson's Hawk 0 0 0 Red-tailed Hawk 1 48 70 Rough-legged Hawk 0 0 0 Golden Eagle 0 0 0 American Kestrel 3 56 172 Merlin 4 6 29 Peregrine Falcon 0 2 8 Unknown 1 16 41 Total: 57 831 5009 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Observation start time: 09:00:00 Observation end time: 15:00:00 Total observation time: 6 hours Official Counter: Charlie Haag, Holly Merker Observers: Charlie Haag, Holly Merker, Janet Crawford Weather: Cloudy with drizzle in the morning. Mostly NE winds 9-17 MPH. Temperature 50-53F. Observations: Most of the birds were naked eye and shooting through. 1 Juvenile Bald Eagle at 1330 EDT 238 Canada Geese 1 Common Loon Predictions: Cloudy with a chance of rain with areas of light drizzle. Highs around 60. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph. ======================================================================== Report submitted by Janet Crawford (janet.l.c(AT)att.net) Rose Tree Park Hawkwatch, Media, PA information may be found at: www.jl-studio.com/RTP_HW
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [PABIRDS] Falcon shows at the shorebird festival, Clinton Co., 10/20 From: Wayne Laubscher <wlaubsch(AT)CUB.KCNET.ORG> Date: 20 Oct 2004 6:05pm It seems that a couple of other species higher on the food chain have noticed the large flock of Dunlins and Gr. Yellowlegs in the flooded field east of Lock Haven on the Island/ River Road. This morning around 8:30 I watched a Merlin make an unsuccessful pass at the flock. It then perched in a nearby tree for a time, affording me a good view before it moved on. At 12:30, Dave Rockey called me from the same location saying he was watching a Peregrine Falcon after the same flock. I quickly arrived in time to see several spectacular but unsuccessful stoops by the Peregrine into the Dunlin and Yellowlegs. It then flew west. There were at least 200 Dunlin at this location. Dave reported an earlier high of 30 Gr. Yellowlegs as well. He also found 25 Dunlin at S. Avis. Wayne Laubscher Lock Haven wlaubsch(AT)cub.kcnet.org "Owl be back"
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: Re: [PABIRDS] Phone list comments From: "Carmen T. Santasania" <CTSANTASANIA(AT)CS.COM> Date: 20 Oct 2004 7:22pm In a message dated 10/20/2004 1:36:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sweidnsl(AT)INFIONLINE.NET writes: > It's my turn to ask if I missed something...I don't recall seeing > the original post that apparently sparked this discussion, only John > Fedak and Matt Sharp's comments. Did this inadvertently slop over > from one of the other lists? > > Scott Weidensaul > Schuylkill haven, Pa. > All, This discussion only affects a few people on PABIRDS and really doesn't belong here. I think it was a mistake on the part of the posters, no harm done, as it sometimes becomes difficult to keep lists straight. Carmen T. Santasania listowner, PABIRDS
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [PABIRDS] DVOC BANQUET UPDATE From: Frank Windfelder <fwindfelder(AT)ATT.NET> Date: 20 Oct 2004 7:26pm Delaware Valley Ornithological Club (DVOC) Banquet Update As of 10 days ago, 40 people were already signed up for the DVOC Annual Banquet. So hurry and get your reservation in! You DO NOT have to be a member ! If you don't have a reservation form, you can download one at www.dvoc.org. All of the information on the DVOC Annual Banquet is listed on our website. After entering the site, click on NEW - Banquet Information Here is just a sample: DVOC's Annual Banquet will feature Dr. Carl Safina of New York.(www.blueoceaninstitute.org) His Topic: "Eye of the Albatross: Visions of Hope & Survival" Carl Safina is a gifted writer and dynamic speaker for healthier oceans and the creatures in them. Last year he won the John Burroughs Medal. This distinguished honor, given for the best natural history writing of 2003, was awarded to Carl for Eye of the Albatross (abstract, reviews), his nonfiction portrait of Amelia, a Laysan Albatross in the North Pacific Ocean. Of this achievement the Boston Globe wrote: Truly magnificent-Safina has done as much as anyone save Cousteau to change our relationship with the acquatic world. Said The Christian Science Monitor of Carls book: A beautiful, awe-inspiring tableau of our world as youve never seen it. Carl Safina grew up loving the ocean. He is a recipient of a MacArthur genius Fellowship and a Pew Scholars Award in Conservation and the Environment. Safina earned his Ph.D. studying seabirds and founded National Audubon Societys Living Oceans Program. He is a visiting Fellow at Yale University. Carl wrote much of Eye of the Albatross (abstract, reviews) in the cabin of a small boat in a marina in Montauk, Long Island. He founded and leads the Blue Ocean Institute Carl will speak to DVOC on what it is like to travel with the albatrosses, the greatest flying creatures on earth. According to The New York Times: Safina delivers a message full of wonder at the natural world and the fragility of his subject.... He cannot contain his delight in birds, fish, and the profusion of life on the islands he visits. At our Banquet, Carl will also be selling - - and signing - - his two books (both prize-winners), Song for the Blue Ocean (abstract, reviews) and Eye of the Albatross (abstract, reviews). Go to the website for complete details ! -- Frank Windfelder Philadelphia, PA fwindfelder(AT)yahoo.com fwindfelder(AT)att.net (215)673-0240 OR (215)673-2034 9233 Convent Avenue Phila, Pa. 19114
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [PABIRDS] Nockamixon, Bucks Co From: Bill Etter <better(AT)NETCARRIER.COM> Date: 20 Oct 2004 7:31pm A few sightings from Lake Nockamixon, Bucks Co. I was out this morning and found nothing much, but this evening was better: Accidentally flushed a Snow Bunting from the end of the fishing pier. My earliest record by over a week. Might have heard a second bird as it flew off to the west. Within seconds of that, a Black Scoter flew past, headed the opposite direction. Neat! It went down on the water about a mile up the lake. Unfortunately, i wasn't able to relocate it. Maybe tomorrow, tho scoters hardly ever seem to stay long. There were 4 Common Loons tonight. A Pied-billed Grebe was the first since early September. Four Herring Gulls showed up this evening, along with 4 Lesser Black-backed Gulls. Lesser Black-backed have been here almost daily throughout the fall, but in very small numbers...maybe 15 at most, but usually more like 2-4. Apparently, the big numbers are sticking to the lower portion of Bucks County so far this season. Adios, Bill Etter Lake Nockamixon Bucks County
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