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Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Spring Salamander Migration?
From: "Richard Neubig" <rneubig(AT)med.umich.edu>
Date: 20 Mar 2008 6:54am
Vince,
I think it is usually the first rain when the temp is ~50 or higher.
With the early start of DST the sals don't come out until well after Hudson
Mills closes. We were trying to arrange a special salamander walk there.
Hopefully it's not too late.
Rick
Rick Neubig RNeubig(AT)umich.edu
Department of Pharmacology University of Michigan
Phone (734) 764-8165
FAX (734) 763-4450
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http://warbler.med.umich.edu
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http://lsi.umich.edu/ccg
>>> "Vincent Ste-Marie" <v_ste.marie(AT)sbcglobal.net> 3/19/2008 8:41 AM >>>
In the past, Edie Sanchez has graciously shared information about the spring
'migration' of salamanders in our area. I'm probably off on my info, but I
seem to recall it is triggered by a certain number of nights spent with
temps over 40 degrees F. I think hearing Chorus Frogs is also a sign the
temps are right for the salamanders to make their move to the vernal ponds.
If anyone has more info (Edie?) or could correct any errors on my part,
please post and/or reply directly. We've seen many children, including our
own, really enjoy this event in years past and we don't want to miss out
this year.
Vince
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Subject: [birders] OT: Salamander Migration Information update
From: "Vincent Ste-Marie" <v_ste.marie(AT)sbcglobal.net>
Date: 20 Mar 2008 7:54am
Birders,
Eddie has asked me to post his salamander 'hunt' info for those who may be
interested. I've removed some of the 'conversation' parts of his e-mail,
forwarding only the pertinent details.
Vince
________________________________________
From: Edwin Sanchez [mailto:chainking(AT)mac.com]
Subject: Re: [birders] OT: Spring Salamander Migration?
Most years the sals start moving the last week of March, sometimes not until
early April. But this year it has been a cold late Winter, so we may not see
the migration until after March 30.
As to timing the event, here are my guidelines. Although I must admit that
more often than not I just sense when the weather is right and simply go out
and find them. Hard to explain.
1) Chorus frogs singing. This is usually a signal to make plans, because the
frogs usually start calling about a week before hand. Main reason is that
chorus frogs prefer ponds in open meadows, which thaw first. The mole sals
prefer vernal pools in mature hardwoods, which thaw later.
2) Nighttime air temps in the 40s, usually with some rain. But beware of a
temporary warming spell in early March. Then the ice is likely to be on the
ponds and the ground still frozen. So sals won't migrate.
3) Thaw. The woodland ponds have to be ice free, or nearly so. Usually I
don't go to check, but predict based on the temps and open ponds around my
house.
Right now the weather forecast is for low temps through Sunday. Looks like
even the open ponds will stay frozen at least another week. So am hoping
that it starts warming up fast early in the week. If so, then I may luck out
and see the sals maybe on March 28 or 29. Not optimistic though.
If the weather seems to break and I can play hooky from my responsibilities,
I will run out to Hudson Mills so that I can give you a report.
Otherwise, you and your amblin' ambystoma buddies will have to enjoy them
without me!
Park hours and location: It has to be dark (need-flashlight-to-see dark) for
the sals to start moving. So that is usually after 8 PM, more like 8:30. If
the park closes at 10 that is OK. But some years they move closing time to 9
pm! (Only way to know is to check at the park entrance.) Then your only
recourse is to befriend the park sheriff and get him to let you stay late.
One sheriff is named Dilbert (I believe) and he is very friendly about this.
Last year, though, the guy on duty was not.
My most dependable spots are the vernal pools near the Oak Grove parking
lot.
-Enter park and make first right after kiosk.
-Make first left into Oak Grove parking area.
-Park all the way at the back end.
-Take utility dirt road leading away from parking area until you intersect
the nature trail.
-Go right on the nature trail and within one hundred yards you are at the
spot!
-Watch your step. :-)
Would not be concerned about flashlights being too strong.
Enjoy and please let me know if you see any.
Thanks for your interest.
Eddie
PS Since I am swamped, do you mind posting this info to the birders group as
an OT topic? Thanks!
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Subject: [birders] Mystery Sounds...
From: "Fred Kaluza" <fkaluza(AT)sbcglobal.net>
Date: 20 Mar 2008 10:10am
I collected 3 sound files this past Sunday so you may recall the wx
and temps. The first two files have a strange "trilling" going on. These
trills must have been coming from the woods which is uphill but within 200
feet of a stream and 100 feet from the recorder. The first file seems to
have one member and the second file seems to have a "mate" with a slightly
different pitch "unless it's just one animal changing pitch". Remember, the
ground was still frozen and covered with patchy snow and ice. On the first
file listen at :10 :15 :23 :32 :40 :45 :54 1:02 1:08
http://www.houndbite.com/?houndbite=2623
On the second file, listen at :01 :09 :16 :24 :46 :53 1:15 1:25 1:31
1:45 1:54 2:01 2:10
http://www.houndbite.com/?houndbite=2624
The third sound file has that "mystery" bird call that I thought may
have been a Bluebird but darned if I've seen one around here for several
months. You'll have to crank-up the volume all the way to hear it but
please give me your thoughts. Clearly in attendance were Juncos, American
Tree Sparrows, Redpolls, Goldfinches and House Finches.
This bird is faint but is heard multiple times with strongest calls
at 2:00 2:04 2:17. The whole series was 1:25 1:45 1:50 2:00 2:04 2:17 and
2:24. You may hear it in more places but it's partially buried by other
calling birds like the recently arrived Redwings etc.
http://www.houndbite.com/?houndbite=2625
PS: this "Houndbite" place is pretty cool! Thanks to whoever suggested it!
In the end, we will conserve only what we love.
We will love only what we understand.
We will understand only what we are taught.
-Baba Dioum (Senegalese Ecologist)
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Subject: [birders] Hermit thrush, singing Junco; WX: Spring Snow
From: Dave Sing <dsing(AT)umich.edu>
Date: 20 Mar 2008 10:15am
Howdy. A perky Hermit thrush was bopping under the cedars at dawn
this morning, and a few remaining
Junco were trilling like crazy. Still watching a male Red-breasted
nuthatch among the others at the feeders,
and at least two Carolina wren were advertising tea from down the
hollow. Spring arrives briskly....
WX: A vigorous system looks to barrel through the Ohio Valley Friday
into Saturday. As with many similar
systems, very dry cold air will be pouring into SE Michigan from
Ontario, creating a sharp demarcation of
the northern edge of the precipitation. Any waver in the storm track
could shift the heavier snow band, and
folks North of this band could receive just an angry flurry, while
those in the band could see a breezy, wet
and heavy accumulation. Current info is leaning for the storm to
meander South but still clip places South
of 94 with at least a period of heavy snow. Safe to bet that the
Saginaw valley and Thumb may miss out
altogether, while LEMP and Crane Creek could be seriously
dusted. This system bears watching - it's more
of a Wyoming clipper than a classic Alberta, and so will have access
to more moisture. Happily, this will
be a Spring snow, and anything that falls during the daylight of
Friday will have a hard time accumulating.
Temps look to stay colder than normal through next week.
So, another windy and white reminder of this year's long
Winter. It'll be over soon....
DBS Chelsea MI
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Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Salamander Migration Information update
From: "The Farmers" <ajf-jlf(AT)sbcglobal.net>
Date: 20 Mar 2008 10:42am
Vince,
Any chance you still have Eddie's full message and can post it to the
envirosemich list? I, for one, would like to read what Eddie has to say
about herp conservation.
John Farmer
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Vincent Ste-Marie" <v_ste.marie(AT)sbcglobal.net>
To: <birders(AT)umich.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:54 AM
Subject: [birders] OT: Salamander Migration Information update
> Birders,
>
> Eddie has asked me to post his salamander 'hunt' info for those who may be
> interested. I've removed some of the 'conversation' parts of his e-mail,
> forwarding only the pertinent details.
>
> Vince
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Edwin Sanchez [mailto:chainking(AT)mac.com]
> Subject: Re: [birders] OT: Spring Salamander Migration?
>
> Most years the sals start moving the last week of March, sometimes not
> until
> early April. But this year it has been a cold late Winter, so we may not
> see
> the migration until after March 30.
>
> As to timing the event, here are my guidelines. Although I must admit that
> more often than not I just sense when the weather is right and simply go
> out
> and find them. Hard to explain.
>
> 1) Chorus frogs singing. This is usually a signal to make plans, because
> the
> frogs usually start calling about a week before hand. Main reason is that
> chorus frogs prefer ponds in open meadows, which thaw first. The mole sals
> prefer vernal pools in mature hardwoods, which thaw later.
>
> 2) Nighttime air temps in the 40s, usually with some rain. But beware of a
> temporary warming spell in early March. Then the ice is likely to be on
> the
> ponds and the ground still frozen. So sals won't migrate.
>
> 3) Thaw. The woodland ponds have to be ice free, or nearly so. Usually I
> don't go to check, but predict based on the temps and open ponds around my
> house.
>
> Right now the weather forecast is for low temps through Sunday. Looks like
> even the open ponds will stay frozen at least another week. So am hoping
> that it starts warming up fast early in the week. If so, then I may luck
> out
> and see the sals maybe on March 28 or 29. Not optimistic though.
>
> If the weather seems to break and I can play hooky from my
> responsibilities,
> I will run out to Hudson Mills so that I can give you a report.
>
> Otherwise, you and your amblin' ambystoma buddies will have to enjoy them
> without me!
>
> Park hours and location: It has to be dark (need-flashlight-to-see dark)
> for
> the sals to start moving. So that is usually after 8 PM, more like 8:30.
> If
> the park closes at 10 that is OK. But some years they move closing time to
> 9
> pm! (Only way to know is to check at the park entrance.) Then your only
> recourse is to befriend the park sheriff and get him to let you stay late.
> One sheriff is named Dilbert (I believe) and he is very friendly about
> this.
> Last year, though, the guy on duty was not.
>
> My most dependable spots are the vernal pools near the Oak Grove parking
> lot.
>
> -Enter park and make first right after kiosk.
> -Make first left into Oak Grove parking area.
> -Park all the way at the back end.
> -Take utility dirt road leading away from parking area until you intersect
> the nature trail.
> -Go right on the nature trail and within one hundred yards you are at the
> spot!
> -Watch your step. :-)
>
> Would not be concerned about flashlights being too strong.
>
> Enjoy and please let me know if you see any.
>
> Thanks for your interest.
>
> Eddie
>
> PS Since I am swamped, do you mind posting this info to the birders group
> as
> an OT topic? Thanks!
>
>
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Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Salamander Migration Information update
From: "The Farmers" <ajf-jlf(AT)sbcglobal.net>
Date: 20 Mar 2008 2:01pm
Birders, especially Vince and Eddie,
Guess mind set has much to do with what one sees. I read Vince's
"conversation" as "conservation." Thanks to Eddie for pointing out my
error. BTW, he indicates he hasn't had time to post anything on herp
conservation to either birders or envirosemich lately. We'll wait!
John F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vincent Ste-Marie" <v_ste.marie(AT)sbcglobal.net>
To: <birders(AT)umich.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:54 AM
Subject: [birders] OT: Salamander Migration Information update
> Birders,
>
> Eddie has asked me to post his salamander 'hunt' info for those who may be
> interested. I've removed some of the 'conversation' parts of his e-mail,
> forwarding only the pertinent details.
>
> Vince
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Edwin Sanchez [mailto:chainking(AT)mac.com]
> Subject: Re: [birders] OT: Spring Salamander Migration?
>
> Most years the sals start moving the last week of March, sometimes not
> until
> early April. But this year it has been a cold late Winter, so we may not
> see
> the migration until after March 30.
>
> As to timing the event, here are my guidelines. Although I must admit that
> more often than not I just sense when the weather is right and simply go
> out
> and find them. Hard to explain.
>
> 1) Chorus frogs singing. This is usually a signal to make plans, because
> the
> frogs usually start calling about a week before hand. Main reason is that
> chorus frogs prefer ponds in open meadows, which thaw first. The mole sals
> prefer vernal pools in mature hardwoods, which thaw later.
>
> 2) Nighttime air temps in the 40s, usually with some rain. But beware of a
> temporary warming spell in early March. Then the ice is likely to be on
> the
> ponds and the ground still frozen. So sals won't migrate.
>
> 3) Thaw. The woodland ponds have to be ice free, or nearly so. Usually I
> don't go to check, but predict based on the temps and open ponds around my
> house.
>
> Right now the weather forecast is for low temps through Sunday. Looks like
> even the open ponds will stay frozen at least another week. So am hoping
> that it starts warming up fast early in the week. If so, then I may luck
> out
> and see the sals maybe on March 28 or 29. Not optimistic though.
>
> If the weather seems to break and I can play hooky from my
> responsibilities,
> I will run out to Hudson Mills so that I can give you a report.
>
> Otherwise, you and your amblin' ambystoma buddies will have to enjoy them
> without me!
>
> Park hours and location: It has to be dark (need-flashlight-to-see dark)
> for
> the sals to start moving. So that is usually after 8 PM, more like 8:30.
> If
> the park closes at 10 that is OK. But some years they move closing time to
> 9
> pm! (Only way to know is to check at the park entrance.) Then your only
> recourse is to befriend the park sheriff and get him to let you stay late.
> One sheriff is named Dilbert (I believe) and he is very friendly about
> this.
> Last year, though, the guy on duty was not.
>
> My most dependable spots are the vernal pools near the Oak Grove parking
> lot.
>
> -Enter park and make first right after kiosk.
> -Make first left into Oak Grove parking area.
> -Park all the way at the back end.
> -Take utility dirt road leading away from parking area until you intersect
> the nature trail.
> -Go right on the nature trail and within one hundred yards you are at the
> spot!
> -Watch your step. :-)
>
> Would not be concerned about flashlights being too strong.
>
> Enjoy and please let me know if you see any.
>
> Thanks for your interest.
>
> Eddie
>
> PS Since I am swamped, do you mind posting this info to the birders group
> as
> an OT topic? Thanks!
>
>
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Subject: [birders] Re: Mystery Sounds...
From: Baba007(AT)aol.com
Date: 20 Mar 2008 2:10pm
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I would take a guess at the first one being a Downey woodpecker drumming.
The second a Blue jay, and I couldn't discern much on the 3rd audio.
Barb J
Farmington Hills
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Subject: [birders] OT: bird seed prices (Ann Arbor area)
From: "Bruce M. Bowman" <bbowman99(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 20 Mar 2008 4:53pm
I priced(*) sunflower chips (hearts) and shelled peanuts at some Ann
Arbor area sellers this week as I was ready to buy 50 lb of each.
I know that black oilers and mixed bird seed are the most
purchased seed, but I'm not using those right now and so didn't
get prices for them.
Sunflower Peanuts
Seller (Ann Arbor area) chips (50 lb) (shelled; 50 lb)
Downtown Home & Garden (734-662-8122) $42 $39
Wild Bird Center (734-213-2473) 50 45
Ann Arbor Grain Agricenter (734-662-9400) 53 42
Dexter Mill (734-426-4621) 54 45**
Pet Supplies 'Plus' (734-741-5100) -- 51**
Wild Birds Unlimited (734-665-7427) 72** 65**
* = by telephone on 3-17-2008
** = no 50 lb bags; price for 50 lb based on 20 or 25 lb price
None of these prices are sale prices.
Bruce
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Washtenaw Co., southeast Michigan
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Subject: [birders] LT Duck YES
From: Dan Ezekiel <ezekiel(AT)aaps.k12.mi.us>
Date: 20 Mar 2008 9:33pm
The female long-tailed duck was present at Barton Pond at 6 p.m.
this evening. She was off the third pulloff west of Barton Dam, the
last one before the woods block the view of the river. She was
straight off the pulloff, giving great looks through binoculars,
about halfway between the near shore and the ice. As a bonus, I also
saw two male shovelers downstream from Fuller Bridge, as well as
three horned grebes in various parts of the pond.
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Subject: [birders] Lapand Longspurs in Armada Township, Macomb County
From: Alan Ryff <alryff(AT)sbcglobal.net>
Date: 20 Mar 2008 8:06pm
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At about 5:30 PM, at least 100 Lapland Longspurs, as well as 10 Snow Buntings
and 25 Horned Larks, were in a corn field along the north side of McPhall Road
between North Avenue and Omo Road in Section 1 of Armada Township, Macomb
County. If the birds are in the corn stubble to the north of the plowed-stretch
of field, you will not see them unless they fly. Furthermore, one Merlin flew
very fast across the field in an almost ground hugging flight, causing the
Horned Larks to scatter.
McPhall Road is 2 miles north of Armada via North Avenue. The longspur site
is between one- and two-tenths of a mile to the east of North Avenue.
Also 3 Sandhill Cranes, one Red-shouldered Hawk, and one Harrier--all
northbound--crossed Weber Road in Section 9 of Richmond Township, Macomb County.
Alan Ryff
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