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Subject: [birders] Michigan hummingbird arrivals
From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 9:18am
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Birders,
I have received four reports of hummingbirds in the past two days, none =
of which has been confirmed yet. This is more than last year, and the =
concentration in the SE is unusual as the earliest reports are typically =
from the south-central or SW regions.
See: http://www.amazilia.net/MIHummerNet/Data2008.htm
Allen T. Chartier
amazilia1(AT)comcast.net
Inkster, Michigan, USA
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Subject: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are plentiful.
From: "J. Michael Nolan" <mnolan(AT)rainforestandreef.org>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 9:39am
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Wanted to make a small comment on this. Just had 8 in my =
backyard....Coopersville, MI, just west of GR. This is one amazing bird. =
I have never hunted them OR shot one, but just watch a hunting show that =
involves Turkeys. You will see quickly how incredible their senses are. =
Sometimes the MI DNR gets a lot of criticism and some of it warranted. =
They have done a GREAT job of helping to bring this Bird back. To date, =
an incredible success story in my opinion. Thanks and have a great =
Friday.
Mike Nolan
I have never seen a wild turkey. My friend who owns a farm says her =
turkeys die of a heart attack if they are not culled by a certain time. =
She has tried to keep them around, just as part of the "farm family", =
but they never last. I assume these are domesticated turkeys.
Are the wild turkeys part of a reintroduction program?----------
If we are on another line or away from the phone, please leave your =
number, best time to return your call and/or your e-mail address.
=20
After hours and weekend phone appointments are available upon request.
Sincerely,
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Subject: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are plentiful.
From: "John Lowry" <john(AT)kingbird.org>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 10:23am
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Birders,
Lest we forget, we did lose our genetic Michigan population of turkeys. =
The reintroduced birds are from other populations, so although they =
weren't a named subspecies (as far as I know), the Michigan population =
and all its (presumed) genetic diversity is gone forever. I just don't =
want us to be too cocky about our ability to recreate something from =
nothing.
Same thing with Canada Geese. They were mostly extirpated and then a =
different subspecies was introduced.
I guess I'm hoping we will pay attention to local populations and treat =
them with the same respect as species. Biodiversity doesn't end with =
our naming schemes.
That said, I'd rather have reintroduced, sustainable turkeys (occupying =
the same ecological niche) as no turkeys at all! So certainly congrats =
are in order.
John Lowry
----- Original Message -----=20
From: J. Michael Nolan=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:39 AM
Subject: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are plentiful.
Wanted to make a small comment on this. Just had 8 in my =
backyard....Coopersville, MI, just west of GR. This is one amazing bird. =
I have never hunted them OR shot one, but just watch a hunting show that =
involves Turkeys. You will see quickly how incredible their senses are. =
Sometimes the MI DNR gets a lot of criticism and some of it warranted. =
They have done a GREAT job of helping to bring this Bird back. To date, =
an incredible success story in my opinion. Thanks and have a great =
Friday.
Mike Nolan
I have never seen a wild turkey. My friend who owns a farm says her =
turkeys die of a heart attack if they are not culled by a certain time. =
She has tried to keep them around, just as part of the "farm family", =
but they never last. I assume these are domesticated turkeys.
Are the wild turkeys part of a reintroduction program?----------
If we are on another line or away from the phone, please leave your =
number, best time to return your call and/or your e-mail address.
=20
After hours and weekend phone appointments are available upon request.
Sincerely,
J. Michael Nolan, Director
=20
Rainforest and Reef 501 (c)(3) non-profit
=
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"Spanish/Cultural Immersion Programs: Spain, Mexico, Central and South =
America"
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Grand Rapids, Michigan 49514-1543 USA
Local/International Phone: 001.616.604.0546
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Subject: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are plentiful.
From: "Sally K Scheer" <winerat(AT)villagecorner.com>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 11:09am
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Is there any way, now that DNA is such an important research tool and so =
much more available than ever before, to test specimens of the Michigan =
birds that are no longer to compare to the reintroduced ones? (Wow, =
that's a convoluted sentence!) Would differences likely show up in the =
comparison?=20
Sally Scheer
Clinton MI
Bridgewater Township
SW Washtenaw County=20
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From: John Lowry=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:23 AM
Subject: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are plentiful.
Birders,
Lest we forget, we did lose our genetic Michigan population of =
turkeys. The reintroduced birds are from other populations, so although =
they weren't a named subspecies (as far as I know), the Michigan =
population and all its (presumed) genetic diversity is gone forever. I =
just don't want us to be too cocky about our ability to recreate =
something from nothing.
Same thing with Canada Geese. They were mostly extirpated and then a =
different subspecies was introduced.
I guess I'm hoping we will pay attention to local populations and =
treat them with the same respect as species. Biodiversity doesn't end =
with our naming schemes.
That said, I'd rather have reintroduced, sustainable turkeys =
(occupying the same ecological niche) as no turkeys at all! So =
certainly congrats are in order.
John Lowry
----- Original Message -----=20
From: J. Michael Nolan=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:39 AM
Subject: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are plentiful.
Wanted to make a small comment on this. Just had 8 in my =
backyard....Coopersville, MI, just west of GR. This is one amazing bird. =
I have never hunted them OR shot one, but just watch a hunting show that =
involves Turkeys. You will see quickly how incredible their senses are. =
Sometimes the MI DNR gets a lot of criticism and some of it warranted. =
They have done a GREAT job of helping to bring this Bird back. To date, =
an incredible success story in my opinion. Thanks and have a great =
Friday.
Mike Nolan
I have never seen a wild turkey. My friend who owns a farm says =
her turkeys die of a heart attack if they are not culled by a certain =
time. She has tried to keep them around, just as part of the "farm =
family", but they never last. I assume these are domesticated turkeys.
Are the wild turkeys part of a reintroduction program?----------
If we are on another line or away from the phone, please leave your =
number, best time to return your call and/or your e-mail address.
=20
After hours and weekend phone appointments are available upon =
request.
Sincerely,
J. Michael Nolan, Director
=20
Rainforest and Reef 501 (c)(3) non-profit
=
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"Outstanding-Affordable Field Courses in Rainforest & Marine =
Ecology"
"Spanish/Cultural Immersion Programs: Spain, Mexico, Central and =
South America"
Rainforest and Reef 501 (c)(3) non-profit
P.O. Box 141543
Grand Rapids, Michigan 49514-1543 USA
Local/International Phone: 001.616.604.0546
Toll Free U.S. and Canada: 1.877.255.3721
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E-mail: info(AT)rainforestandreef.org and travelwithrandr(AT)gmail.com
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Subject: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are plentiful.
From: Dave Sing <dsing(AT)umich.edu>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 11:35am
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John, Y'all; I'm just chiming in from the heifer barn...
Yes indeed, Meleagris gallopavo was at one time effectively
extirpated from Michigan. In 1954 the Michigan DNR purchased a
number of birds and
eggs from a farm in Pennsylvania, which were raised and released in
the Allegan State Game Area. At the time, the stock from the farm was
determined to be a 'wild' variety (anecdotally from West
Virginia). So, wild turkeys were re-introduced, and have been a, uh,
wild success.
The birds were not considered a subspecies, nor were they considered
domesticated.
Turkeys are a daily part of life in the countryside of Western
Washtenaw county. A friend whose place is landlocked on three sides
by Waterloo SRA
has as many as twenty a day. Boy howdy, it's a thrill to walk
under some roosting turkeys (they roost in trees) and have them explode into
the air behind you as you pass. I have fallen right over on such
occasions. Another note: their beard is actually a form of
feathers. Very groovy.
DBS Chelsea MI
At 10:23 AM 4/11/2008, John Lowry wrote:
>Birders,
>
>Lest we forget, we did lose our genetic Michigan population of
>turkeys. The reintroduced birds are from other populations, so
>although they weren't a named subspecies (as far as I know), the
>Michigan population and all its (presumed) genetic diversity is gone
>forever. I just don't want us to be too cocky about our ability to
>recreate something from nothing.
>
>Same thing with Canada Geese. They were mostly extirpated and then
>a different subspecies was introduced.
>
>I guess I'm hoping we will pay attention to local populations and
>treat them with the same respect as species. Biodiversity doesn't
>end with our naming schemes.
>
>That said, I'd rather have reintroduced, sustainable turkeys
>(occupying the same ecological niche) as no turkeys at all! So
>certainly congrats are in order.
>
>John Lowry
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:mnolan(AT)rainforestandreef.org>J. Michael Nolan
>To: <mailto:birders(AT)umich.edu>birders(AT)umich.edu
>Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:39 AM
>Subject: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are plentiful.
>
>Wanted to make a small comment on this. Just had 8 in my
>backyard....Coopersville, MI, just west of GR. This is one amazing
>bird. I have never hunted them OR shot one, but just watch a hunting
>show that involves Turkeys. You will see quickly how incredible
>their senses are. Sometimes the MI DNR gets a lot of criticism and
>some of it warranted. They have done a GREAT job of helping to bring
>this Bird back. To date, an incredible success story in my opinion.
>Thanks and have a great Friday.
>
>Mike Nolan
>
>I have never seen a wild turkey. My friend who owns a farm says
>her turkeys die of a heart attack if they are not culled by a
>certain time. She has tried to keep them around, just as part of
>the "farm family", but they never last. I assume these are
>domesticated turkeys.
>
>Are the wild turkeys part of a reintroduction program?----------
>
>If we are on another line or away from the phone, please leave your
>number, best time to return your call and/or your e-mail address.
>
>After hours and weekend phone appointments are available upon request.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>J. Michael Nolan, Director
>
>Rainforest and Reef 501 (c)(3) non-profit
>
>**************************************************************************************************
>"Outstanding-Affordable Field Courses in Rainforest & Marine Ecology"
>
>"Spanish/Cultural Immersion Programs: Spain, Mexico, Central and
>South America"
>
>Rainforest and Reef 501 (c)(3) non-profit
>P.O. Box 141543
>Grand Rapids, Michigan 49514-1543 USA
>Local/International Phone: 001.616.604.0546
>Toll Free U.S. and Canada: 1.877.255.3721
>Skype/MS IM: travelwithrandr
>AOL IM: buddythemacaw
>E-mail:
><mailto:info(AT)rainforestandreef.org>info(AT)rainforestandreef.org and
><mailto:travelwithrandr(AT)gmail.com>travelwithrandr(AT)gmail.com
>*Note: Please send inquiries to both e-mail addresses
>Web: <http://rainforestandreef.org>http://rainforestandreef.org
>**************************************************************************************************
>
>
>
>
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Subject: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are plentiful.
From: Dave Sing <dsing(AT)umich.edu>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 11:36am
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Sally, some differences would appear, other traits would remain the
same (simply put). One may assume that certain markers
remain from the introduced stock in the current population, and that
other mutations have appeared as a response to the
generations of birds in their 'new' environment. An organism's
genome is dynamic through time. Would be an interesting
experiment. DBS Chelsea MI
At 11:09 AM 4/11/2008, Sally K Scheer wrote:
>Is there any way, now that DNA is such an important research tool
>and so much more available than ever before, to test specimens of
>the Michigan birds that are no longer to compare to the reintroduced
>ones? (Wow, that's a convoluted sentence!) Would differences likely
>show up in the comparison?
>
>
>Sally Scheer
>Clinton MI
>Bridgewater Township
>SW Washtenaw County
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:john(AT)kingbird.org>John Lowry
>To: <mailto:birders(AT)umich.edu>birders(AT)umich.edu
>Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:23 AM
>Subject: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are plentiful.
>
>Birders,
>
>Lest we forget, we did lose our genetic Michigan population of
>turkeys. The reintroduced birds are from other populations, so
>although they weren't a named subspecies (as far as I know), the
>Michigan population and all its (presumed) genetic diversity is gone
>forever. I just don't want us to be too cocky about our ability to
>recreate something from nothing.
>
>Same thing with Canada Geese. They were mostly extirpated and then
>a different subspecies was introduced.
>
>I guess I'm hoping we will pay attention to local populations and
>treat them with the same respect as species. Biodiversity doesn't
>end with our naming schemes.
>
>That said, I'd rather have reintroduced, sustainable turkeys
>(occupying the same ecological niche) as no turkeys at all! So
>certainly congrats are in order.
>
>John Lowry
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:mnolan(AT)rainforestandreef.org>J. Michael Nolan
>To: <mailto:birders(AT)umich.edu>birders(AT)umich.edu
>Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:39 AM
>Subject: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are plentiful.
>
>Wanted to make a small comment on this. Just had 8 in my
>backyard....Coopersville, MI, just west of GR. This is one amazing
>bird. I have never hunted them OR shot one, but just watch a hunting
>show that involves Turkeys. You will see quickly how incredible
>their senses are. Sometimes the MI DNR gets a lot of criticism and
>some of it warranted. They have done a GREAT job of helping to bring
>this Bird back. To date, an incredible success story in my opinion.
>Thanks and have a great Friday.
>
>Mike Nolan
>
>I have never seen a wild turkey. My friend who owns a farm says
>her turkeys die of a heart attack if they are not culled by a
>certain time. She has tried to keep them around, just as part of
>the "farm family", but they never last. I assume these are
>domesticated turkeys.
>
>Are the wild turkeys part of a reintroduction program?----------
>
>If we are on another line or away from the phone, please leave your
>number, best time to return your call and/or your e-mail address.
>
>After hours and weekend phone appointments are available upon request.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>J. Michael Nolan, Director
>
>Rainforest and Reef 501 (c)(3) non-profit
>
>**************************************************************************************************
>"Outstanding-Affordable Field Courses in Rainforest & Marine Ecology"
>
>"Spanish/Cultural Immersion Programs: Spain, Mexico, Central and
>South America"
>
>Rainforest and Reef 501 (c)(3) non-profit
>P.O. Box 141543
>Grand Rapids, Michigan 49514-1543 USA
>Local/International Phone: 001.616.604.0546
>Toll Free U.S. and Canada: 1.877.255.3721
>Skype/MS IM: travelwithrandr
>AOL IM: buddythemacaw
>E-mail:
><mailto:info(AT)rainforestandreef.org>info(AT)rainforestandreef.org and
><mailto:travelwithrandr(AT)gmail.com>travelwithrandr(AT)gmail.com
>*Note: Please send inquiries to both e-mail addresses
>Web: <http://rainforestandreef.org>http://rainforestandreef.org
>**************************************************************************************************
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: [birders] Good Resource of Michigan Turkey History
From: Dave Sing <dsing(AT)umich.edu>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 11:39am
Folks; if one can get past the source (Michigan Wild Turkey Hunting
Association) than please check out this link.
It describes the transplanting history of turkeys in Michigan in detail. DBS
http://www.mwtha.net/mwthahistory.htm
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Subject: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are plentiful.
From: "Sally K Scheer" <winerat(AT)villagecorner.com>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 11:46am
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So the reintroduced birds may be expected to have made changes in =
response to their new environment that bring them closer to what the =
extirpated birds might have changed into had they remained here. Of =
course, I can't think of any experiment, at least with the birds, that =
could test that hypothesis. How about that useful test organism, the =
fruit fly, to see if foreign (that is, the reintroduced fly) would =
evolve similarly to the native fly and bring each population closer and =
closer to each other?
Sally, Clinton MI
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Dave Sing=20
To: Sally K Scheer ; birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are plentiful.
Sally, some differences would appear, other traits would remain the =
same (simply put). One may assume that certain markers=20
remain from the introduced stock in the current population, and that =
other mutations have appeared as a response to the=20
generations of birds in their 'new' environment. An organism's =
genome is dynamic through time. Would be an interesting=20
experiment. DBS Chelsea MI
At 11:09 AM 4/11/2008, Sally K Scheer wrote:
Is there any way, now that DNA is such an important research tool =
and so much more available than ever before, to test specimens of the =
Michigan birds that are no longer to compare to the reintroduced ones? =
(Wow, that's a convoluted sentence!) Would differences likely show up in =
the comparison?=20
=20
Sally Scheer
Clinton MI
Bridgewater Township
SW Washtenaw County=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Lowry=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:23 AM
Subject: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are plentiful.
Birders,
Lest we forget, we did lose our genetic Michigan population of =
turkeys. The reintroduced birds are from other populations, so although =
they weren't a named subspecies (as far as I know), the Michigan =
population and all its (presumed) genetic diversity is gone forever. I =
just don't want us to be too cocky about our ability to recreate =
something from nothing.
Same thing with Canada Geese. They were mostly extirpated and =
then a different subspecies was introduced.
I guess I'm hoping we will pay attention to local populations and =
treat them with the same respect as species. Biodiversity doesn't end =
with our naming schemes.
That said, I'd rather have reintroduced, sustainable turkeys =
(occupying the same ecological niche) as no turkeys at all! So =
certainly congrats are in order.
John Lowry
----- Original Message -----=20
From: J. Michael Nolan=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:39 AM
Subject: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are plentiful.
Wanted to make a small comment on this. Just had 8 in my =
backyard....Coopersville, MI, just west of GR. This is one amazing bird. =
I have never hunted them OR shot one, but just watch a hunting show that =
involves Turkeys. You will see quickly how incredible their senses are. =
Sometimes the MI DNR gets a lot of criticism and some of it warranted. =
They have done a GREAT job of helping to bring this Bird back. To date, =
an incredible success story in my opinion. Thanks and have a great =
Friday.
Mike Nolan
I have never seen a wild turkey. My friend who owns a farm =
says her turkeys die of a heart attack if they are not culled by a =
certain time. She has tried to keep them around, just as part of the =
"farm family", but they never last. I assume these are domesticated =
turkeys.
Are the wild turkeys part of a reintroduction program?----------
If we are on another line or away from the phone, please leave =
your number, best time to return your call and/or your e-mail address.
After hours and weekend phone appointments are available upon =
request.
Sincerely,
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Rainforest and Reef 501 (c)(3) non-profit
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Subject: [birders] WX: Warm Sector overhead, watch the Southwestern
Sky
From: Dave Sing <dsing(AT)umich.edu>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 11:50am
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WX: The well-advertised complex storm system has pushed its
impressive warm sector into Lower Michigan
as of Noon today. Expect the winds and temps to bump up, and keep a
keen eye to our South and West.
We are in a bull's eye for severe weather development this
afternoon. Expect very fast moving and violent
thunderstorms to start popping up into the mid afternoon. Don't
exactly head to the cellar yet, but this could
be a very busy afternoon. NWS is talking damaging winds, hail and
tornadoes with any storm that develops.
CHeers DBS Chelsea MI
For an impressive satellite loop:
http://www.ral.ucar.edu/weather/satellite/displaySat.php?region=DTW&itype=vis&size=large&endDate=20060606&endTime=-1&duration=3
For Detroit NEXRAD:
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=dtx&product=N0R&overlay=11101111&loop=no
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Subject: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are plentiful.
From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 12:54pm
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Sally,
I would not presume that the genes of these introduced turkeys would =
respond exactly the same way that the genes of the original Michigan =
turkeys did hundreds of thousands of years ago. Conditions in the =
environment are surely different now, and the genes of the introduced =
birds are at a different "starting point" for the process of evolution =
to act on them. If there's one thing we can learn from nature is that =
there's always more than one way to solve a problem.
Allen T. Chartier
amazilia1(AT)comcast.net
Inkster, Michigan, USA
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: Sally K Scheer=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 11:46 AM
Subject: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are plentiful.
So the reintroduced birds may be expected to have made changes in =
response to their new environment that bring them closer to what the =
extirpated birds might have changed into had they remained here. Of =
course, I can't think of any experiment, at least with the birds, that =
could test that hypothesis. How about that useful test organism, the =
fruit fly, to see if foreign (that is, the reintroduced fly) would =
evolve similarly to the native fly and bring each population closer and =
closer to each other?
Sally, Clinton MI
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Dave Sing=20
To: Sally K Scheer ; birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are plentiful.
Sally, some differences would appear, other traits would remain the =
same (simply put). One may assume that certain markers=20
remain from the introduced stock in the current population, and that =
other mutations have appeared as a response to the=20
generations of birds in their 'new' environment. An organism's =
genome is dynamic through time. Would be an interesting=20
experiment. DBS Chelsea MI
At 11:09 AM 4/11/2008, Sally K Scheer wrote:
Is there any way, now that DNA is such an important research tool =
and so much more available than ever before, to test specimens of the =
Michigan birds that are no longer to compare to the reintroduced ones? =
(Wow, that's a convoluted sentence!) Would differences likely show up in =
the comparison?=20
=20
Sally Scheer
Clinton MI
Bridgewater Township
SW Washtenaw County=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Lowry=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:23 AM
Subject: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are plentiful.
Birders,
=20
Lest we forget, we did lose our genetic Michigan population of =
turkeys. The reintroduced birds are from other populations, so although =
they weren't a named subspecies (as far as I know), the Michigan =
population and all its (presumed) genetic diversity is gone forever. I =
just don't want us to be too cocky about our ability to recreate =
something from nothing.
=20
Same thing with Canada Geese. They were mostly extirpated and =
then a different subspecies was introduced.
=20
I guess I'm hoping we will pay attention to local populations =
and treat them with the same respect as species. Biodiversity doesn't =
end with our naming schemes.
=20
That said, I'd rather have reintroduced, sustainable turkeys =
(occupying the same ecological niche) as no turkeys at all! So =
certainly congrats are in order.
=20
John Lowry
----- Original Message -----=20
From: J. Michael Nolan=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:39 AM
Subject: [birders] Re: Good to know Wild turkeys are =
plentiful.
Wanted to make a small comment on this. Just had 8 in my =
backyard....Coopersville, MI, just west of GR. This is one amazing bird. =
I have never hunted them OR shot one, but just watch a hunting show that =
involves Turkeys. You will see quickly how incredible their senses are. =
Sometimes the MI DNR gets a lot of criticism and some of it warranted. =
They have done a GREAT job of helping to bring this Bird back. To date, =
an incredible success story in my opinion. Thanks and have a great =
Friday.
=20
Mike Nolan
I have never seen a wild turkey. My friend who owns a farm =
says her turkeys die of a heart attack if they are not culled by a =
certain time. She has tried to keep them around, just as part of the =
"farm family", but they never last. I assume these are domesticated =
turkeys.
=20
Are the wild turkeys part of a reintroduction =
program?----------
=20
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=20
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Subject: [birders] "Logging" in the Arboretum
From: Mike Sefton <mseft(AT)yahoo.com>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 12:23pm
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Birders,
Bob Grese, Director of the U-M Nichols Arboretum and Matthaei Botanical
Gardens, asked me to forward his email below to the list.
Mike Sefton
http://www.washtenawaudubon.org/
From: Grese, Robert [mailto:bgrese(AT)umich.edu]
Sent: Thu 4/10/2008 5:16 PM
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Cc: mbgna.staff(AT)umich.edu
Subject: "logging" in the Arboretum
Dear all:
I wanted to respond to recent questions about the "logging" of dead and dying
Scotch pine trees at Nichols Arboretum near Forest Hill Cemetery and just south
of the Peony Garden. Over the past several years, this conifer plantation that
was planted in the early years of the Arboretum had become a hazardous tangle of
fallen, standing dead and a few living Scotch Pine trees. Because of the
nature of Pine Wilt Disease (spread by the Pine Wilt Nematode), the living
Scotch pine in the area were likely to become infected in the very near future.
In the past several years, we had had one fire set in this area (which we
caught luckily before it moved into the crowns of the dead trees) and were
increasingly concerned about the hazards to visitors using the trails in the
vicinity.
We initially explored simply removing only the dead pines and saving the many
young redbud and other trees in the area. Because the trees were so close
together and those that were dead had begun to rot, we were advised that the
safest way to remove the trees was to clear-cut the most highly impacted areas.
Over the next year or two, we plan to carefully monitor what resprouts from the
cutting and will be developing plans for the long-term re-planting and
management of this portion of the Arboretum. We have posted interpretive signage
today. I know folks were shocked to see such drastic cutting in the Arboretum,
and we apologize for not making information more available on site to explain
what had happened.
I should also alert you to another project that will affect access to the
Arboretum during the spring warbler migration in the next few weeks.
Stabilization work on the lower portion of Nichols Drive, which began sinking
towards the river several years ago, is scheduled to begin on April 21st,
assuming that frost restrictions are lifted by then. During the re-construction
process, a portion of the M-29 lot will be used as a staging area, and this
segment of Nichols Drive will be closed to pedestrians as well as to service
vehicles. We hope to have this section re-opened by early June. We will be
stabilizing the shoreline with a variety of native shrubs and herbaceous
plantings much as we did at the River Landing area. I know this will be an
inconvenience, but I hope you will be patient with us and make use of the other
entrances during this time.
Please let me or our staff know if you have any other questions or concerns.
We will also provide information through our website at
http://www.mbgna.umich.edu.
Thanks,
Bob Grese
Robert E. Grese
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Subject: [birders] Re: FW: More Spring Arrivals
From: richard.e.chase(AT)comcast.net
Date: 11 Apr 2008 8:10pm
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I suspect it's not bugs the flicker is after but noise. They use the drumming
to mark territory and advertise for mates. My daughter in upstate NY had a
woodpecker pounding on their TV antenna early every morning a few years ago. It
resonated nicely, to the woodpecker's delight and their dismay. They were no
longer using the antenna, so they took it down and solved the problem. This
year the woodpeckers have found a piece of metallic flashing that is almost as
loud.
There's a good discussion of woodpecker drumming on the web at
http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/urban_wildlife_our_wild_neighbors/solving_problems_with_your_wild_neighbors/solving_problems_with_woodpeckers.html
and the Humane Society of the U.S., which runs the site, has several humane
suggestions for dealing with the problem.
Note that the link above is a long one and will probably wrap and cause
problems. I've broken it up into four lines below:
http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/
urban_wildlife_our_wild_neighbors/
solving_problems_with_your_wild_neighbors/
solving_problems_with_woodpeckers.html
Dick Chase
Ann Arbor
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From: jeanpanyard(AT)aol.com
It must be spring because my flicker is back to banging on my metal chimney
stack. I am guessing bugs or something winter over and he must have discovered
them a couple of years ago. It appears that he is banging on the stack and
drives them out. It resonates rather like a gatteling gun! Is there something
besides suet that would detract him from my chimney? He has the uncanney desire
to persue this early on Sunday mornings when everyone is still in bed!
Thanks,
JMP
-----Original Message-----
From: Cendra <cendra(AT)digitalrealm.net>
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 1:22 am
Subject: [birders] FW: More Spring Arrivals
Flicker here, too, screaming his head off all morning. First time I
identified a flicker I went out looking for something the size of a heron.
Boy, are they loud!
Cendra
OWS, A2
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From: Fred Kaluza [mailto:fkaluza(AT)yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 10:50 AM
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Subject: [birders] More Spring Arrivals
Yesterday I had a Flicker on the telephone pole doing his
"Wicka-Wicka-Wicks" thing. He also flew down and checked out a nestbox
that's there. He went inside for a minute then flew out and resumed calling
from a higher treetop. Unfortunately, Starlings had entered that same box
1/2 hour earlier so now they both know it's available and I'm sure the
Starlings will do their best and probably win out without my intervention.
Even though I can keep the Starlings away, it's tough to get the Flicker to
accept the box after their eggs were tossed out by the Starlings once
already last year. Fred in Warren
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Subject: [birders] Re: FW: More Spring Arrivals
From: "J. Michael Nolan" <mnolan(AT)rainforestandreef.org>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 4:31pm
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i will most likely be asked to sign off of this list.
you should be SO HAPPY that the Common Flicker is even coming close to =
your house.=20
have a lot more to say, but dear, you can't have your cake and eat it =
too.
it is spring by the way!
mike nolan
It must be spring because my flicker is back to banging on my metal =
chimney stack. I am guessing bugs or something winter over and he must =
have discovered them a couple of years ago. It appears that he is =
banging on the stack and drives them out. It resonates rather like a =
gatteling gun! Is there something besides suet that would detract him =
from my chimney? He has the uncanney desire to persue this early on =
Sunday mornings when everyone is still in bed!
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Subject: [birders] Re: FW: More Spring Arrivals
From: "J. Michael Nolan" <mnolan(AT)rainforestandreef.org>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 4:38pm
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sorry about your sundays and your lifestyle......
why would you even assume that this is a male and this being your =
flicker is even more ridiculous. these birds are not yours and they =
never were.
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mike nolan
It must be spring because my flicker is back to banging on my metal =
chimney stack. I am guessing bugs or something winter over and he must =
have discovered them a couple of years ago. It appears that he is =
banging on the stack and drives them out. It resonates rather like a =
gatteling gun! Is there something besides suet that would detract him =
from my chimney? He has the uncanney desire to persue this early on =
Sunday mornings when everyone is still in bed!----------
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Subject: [birders] Holland Ponds
From: "Janice E. Olesen" <jeolesen(AT)wideopenwest.com>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 4:28pm
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Holland Ponds today had a few new arrivals. Namely, several Tree =
Swallows, three Northern flickers, two Brown -Headed cowbirds, and two =
Yellow -Rumped warblers. One of them looking very spiffy. Two of the =
Flickers and some of the Swallows were checking out nesting cavities. =
There were, of course, many Great Blue herons on the nests. I believe =
there are several more nests this year than last. Holland Ponds is =
located in Shelby Twp., Macomb County at the intersection of Ryan and =
22 Mile Rd.
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Subject: [birders] Green Darner
From: "=?utf-8?B?Q2hyaXN0b3BoZXIgR3JhaGFt?=" <grahamz(AT)umich.edu>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 9:02pm
Hi, Folks --
Riding in on the warm wind are not only hummingbirds, but the first green
darners.
And no one has mentioned the emergence of flying yellow daffodils over the past
week.
Chris
Christopher Graham, ASLA
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Subject: [birders] turkeys on the patio
From: "Heidi Dodson" <heidi.dodson(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 5:41pm
Birders,
With tall the turkey talk, I decided I had to tell the following: My
mother, who lives in a rural area of Lapeer County, opened her curtains one
morning a few years ago to find 15 or 20 turkeys crowded onto the patio
directly outside her window. When she drew the drapes back, they all turned
to see what was happening, and she had 20 turkeys staring at her, much to
her surprise. She said she had 20 peeping toms. (OK, maybe there were some
hens too, but it's much funnier w/ toms).
Heidi Dodson
Ann Arbor
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Subject: [birders] Re: owls & turkeys?
From: Birds891357(AT)aol.com
Date: 11 Apr 2008 6:46pm
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I don't know about owls, but foxes and coyotes would be likely culprits.
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Subject: [birders] Fox sparrows, Eastpointe
From: Barbara Ward <birdnotes(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 7:14pm
Since Wed. 04/09 there have been 2 fox sparrows in our Eastpointe
backyard, digging away in the mulch under a dwarf white pine. This is
right outside our doorwall, only 12 feet away. I don't know what
they're eating, but it really keeps them working the same small area.
Beautiful to see, and I took a couple of digital photos that are fair.
Today I heard a few phrases of the song, too, while it was warm.
Other migrants here: yellow-bellied sapsucker and a couple of juncos.
Barbara Ward
Eastpointe, Macomb County
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Subject: [birders] Belle Isle
From: "j fisher" <biggrinnell(AT)gmail.com>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 7:16pm
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Confused about what I am calling a Red Necked Grebe. Only other
possibilities are Red throated Loon, maybe Pacific. Dont know. Never bought
that scope... Distant views have me pretty sure of the former...
Had Common Loon, Horned Grebe, Pie billed Grebe, Bonapartes Gull, Glaucous
Gull, Herring Gull, Common Tern.... Barn and Tree swallows...Many Red
Breasted Mergansers. Lots of GC Kinglets, Song Sparrows and a few Yellow
Rumped Warblers.
Many more, but wont bore.
All birds were in the vicinity of the rowing club and the North Fishing
Pier, or near the (flooded) nature trails.
See for yourself.
Yippee!
Love, Jeff
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Subject: [birders] three Belted Kingfishers
From: "Bruce M. Bowman" <bbowman99(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 11 Apr 2008 7:53pm
There were three Belted Kingfishers today at Fleming Pond in Superior
Township, Washtenaw County. This is the pond where there was a loon last
week and earlier this week, across from the animal shelter on Cherry Hill
Rd.
Bruce
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