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Subject: [birders] Re: birding software
From: pavlik(AT)comcast.net
Date: 7 Dec 2009 2:45am
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Rick,
Yep - this subject comes up about once a year but always worth a discussion. I
think AviSys is probably the most widely used. I have a copy including the world
"add-on" and I use this as my primary listing program for state, country and
world listing. I have two primary problems with AviSys. I still don't think that
entry of sightings is very quick. If I go out birding in two counties on a day
in May and see maybe 50 species in each county it can take me 10+ minutes to
enter those sightings, especially if I want to make sure I include a specific
location like a park within a county. I've also run into a recent program error.
Another big issue is there is no import feature. You cannot upload or import
any data from anywhere so if you want to get AviSys updated with your sightings
you need to manually entered them. The reporting features are very good though
and quick.
Birder's Diary offers a 30 day trial run which I did recently. I didn't much
care for it and ran into a few program errors. The screens are way too busy and
complex for just simple entries.
I've never used Bird Base which is another popular one.
Someone did a review on Surfbirds comparing some of the software packages. The
information is a little dated because they are reviewing some older versions but
it gives an objective opinion.
http://www.surfbirds.com/Features/SoftwareReview/WhichSoftware.html
Frankly, I think $150 on average to get a package that allows for world listing
is expensive. I'm surprised there hasn't been a recent entry into this market at
a much more cost effective price.
Bottom line - I think AviSys is still a good program and fairly easy to use if
you don't need to manually add a bunch of old sightings.
Tom Pavlik
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Neubig" <rneubig(AT)med.umich.edu>
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2009 8:21:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [birders] birding software
Hi all,
I know that this has been discussed on numerous occasions but after having my
old computer die, I am thinking about moving away from the Wildlife Recorder
software to some other software for keeping track of bird sightings. I travel
out of the country a fair amount so I'd need a program that has world lists.
What are your thoughts on AviSys, Lanius Excalibur, others?
If you send messages to me privately, I will summarize and post the summary to
the list.
Thanks!
Rick
Rick Neubig RNeubig(AT)umich.edu
Department of Pharmacology University of Michigan
Phone (734) 763-3650 FAX (734) 763-4450
Personal web site
http://warbler.med.umich.edu
Center for Chemical Genomics
http://lsi.umich.edu/ccg
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Subject: [birders] Re: birding software
From: Wayne Fisher <waynef(AT)provide.net>
Date: 7 Dec 2009 4:14am
I also use Avisys, and am generally happy with it. I think it does a good job of
having the power to support complicated listing, without being too complicated
for those who keep fewer lists.
It does include a world list, using the Clements list, but it does not have
range information outside North America. There is an add-on available that has
world range information. The English names are the Clements ones, so if the
names used in some other country differ, you may need to use the Latin names to
find something. I remeber trying to find the bird that the British call
Woodpigeon. Clements has it as Common Wood-Pigeon, so no English search worked.
And then there is the confusion that for Latin names, other bird books may be
based on a species list other than Clements.
Do any of the programs do a good job of importing lists from other programs? I'm
afraid that the different programs store different information, which makes
importing quite difficult. If the "from" program does not have some information
that the new program depends on, then imported data would be incomplete.
Wayne Fisher
Dexter, MI
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Subject: [birders] Re: birding software - check Bruce's site! (Gold
star!!!)
From: "Robert Setzer" <doctorbass(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 7 Dec 2009 12:07am
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Birders:
=20
I wrote an unsent note to Bruce Bowman awhile ago. It was still in my =
=E2=80=9Cdraft=E2=80=9D folder =E2=80=93 I never sent it. I think this =
might be a good time to send it out. It does not directly address the =
=E2=80=9Cworld birds list=E2=80=9D thread tonight, but I think it might =
be useful to less traveled Michigan birders. I had finally reached the =
point where I believe I needed to start =E2=80=9Clist keeping=E2=80=9D. =
What fun!
=20
The point here is that many Michigan birders only need Michigan bird =
checklists and Bruce has it covered. Excel is a commonly available and =
utilized program and except for really exceptional birds there is no =
reason to go beyond Excel (included in MS Office) other than wanting to =
be part of the larger birding community and sharing your confident =
records with the world at large.
=20
Again, just my thoughts as a birder confined to Michigan!
=20
I pulled down my Excel list from here:
http://printablebirdchecklists.homestead.com/8-RegionalLists.html
=20
His site has checklists from all over the world! In a quick survey =
tonight, it appears that all lists are in Excel format. I would guess =
that if you just want a list for yourself, you can download and set up =
tabs in Excel for the places you have traveled. It will be your file on =
your computer.
=20
If you want to be part of =E2=80=9Cthe larger community=E2=80=9D and =
share your findings, then this might not be the way to go. (It would =
take me many years to reach this point even if I could travel to exotic =
destinations=E2=80=A6 so I do not even think about it!)=20
=20
But, once again, I want to express my indebtedness to Bruce and his =
vision! I have what I need now!
=20
(Rick =E2=80=93 Please put my name on your list of responders and let me =
know what you think about my suggested =E2=80=9Cpersonal world Excel =
bird list=E2=80=9D as a solution. Thanks!)
(Tom =E2=80=93 what am I missing? I am serious, not being facetious! =
Maybe I will want to =E2=80=9Cgo there=E2=80=9D with my future =
list-making and plan for it now. Thanks!)
=20
=E2=80=9CDr. Bob=E2=80=9D=20
(=E2=80=A6learning, I am=E2=80=A6)
=20
The note I wrote and never sent before tonight:
Bruce =E2=80=93
=20
I just downloaded a checklist of Michigan birds in excel format =
referenced thru your site. I was going to ask the birders list if anyone =
had one, but checked your site first. (OK, yeah, I know=E2=80=A6) It was =
exactly what I wanted =E2=80=93 a blank MS Excel list with Michigan =
birds by row, sites as columns. I have already modified it and I am =
ready to start =E2=80=9Cchecking=E2=80=9D birds at our favorite sites =
based on my notes this year!=20
=20
Yes, I should probably always check your site first (or at least =
minimally google the web). Yes, I probably could find almost anything on =
the internet by searching (I am fairly good =E2=80=A6 not that it =
shows=E2=80=A6).=20
=20
But, 1) I tend to be a bit lazy, and 2) I tend to do too much myself on =
the internet anyway. It is so nice to get feedback (human contact) from =
the list! Besides that, I can only look at just so many female bird pics =
without being totally overwhelmed and frustrated. It is wonderful to =
post a pic or description and ask the experts. I think it is the same =
with my questions. Sometimes I am not even really sure of the right =
question (i.e., search pattern) and generally someone has been through =
the same thing before. Certainly the fact that we are all mostly local =
helps!
=20
You have really done a remarkable (and so underappreciated job) with =
your list management and with your several web pages!!! Give yourself =
another =E2=80=9Cgold star=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 or several!!! =
(=E2=80=9CLike Wow!=E2=80=9D as kids might say it).
=20
I think =E2=80=93 similar to the note about Birds of Detroit I sent off =
before =E2=80=93 I am finally ready to use more of the resources =
available to me. I now have some =E2=80=9Cbasic vocabulary=E2=80=9D and =
understanding so I can read and appreciate more.
=20
Oh =E2=80=93 another interesting thing =E2=80=93 I tend to keep adding =
bird sites to my internet =E2=80=9Cfavorites=E2=80=9D list. Is it like I =
am the first one to find them? Silly me! It clogs my favorites list. You =
have already caught most of the basics =E2=80=93 and far more - and =
provide links on your sites. I do not need to personally bookmark SE =
Michigan sites! I can just go thru your site! Yes, always learning, I =
am=E2=80=A6 and still a bit overwhelmed, but less so. Now I can go to =
your referenced sites, add the sites to my Excel worksheet as a column =
and imbed a comment in my site Excel box as a URL and add my birds as I =
find them.
=20
I really appreciate the list birders who include URLs to =E2=80=9Ccool =
birdie things=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 especially new sightings, recent pics, =
personal bird blogs and things they find just fascinating. Anything to =
direct me to some birdie thing local, personal or special is welcomed! =
You welcome all of us!
=20
Hey! But do not think you are done with my questions! I am sure numbers =
1) and 2) will not change much.
=20
I am so happy you welcomed me to the list and put up with me!
=20
Thank you so much for being - and providing - such a rich resource! =
Kudos and =E2=80=9CGold Stars=E2=80=9D to you!!!
=20
- =E2=80=9CDr. Bob=E2=80=9D
=20
=20
=20
From: pavlik(AT)comcast.net [mailto:pavlik(AT)comcast.net]=20
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 9:45 PM
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Cc: birders(AT)umich.edu
Subject: [birders] Re: birding software
=20
Rick,
Yep - this subject comes up about once a year but always worth a =
discussion. I think AviSys is probably the most widely used. I have a =
copy including the world "add-on" and I use this as my primary listing =
program for state, country and world listing. I have two primary =
problems with AviSys. I still don't think that entry of sightings is =
very quick. If I go out birding in two counties on a day in May and see =
maybe 50 species in each county it can take me 10+ minutes to enter =
those sightings, especially if I want to make sure I include a specific =
location like a park within a county. I've also run into a recent =
program error. Another big issue is there is no import feature. You =
cannot upload or import any data from anywhere so if you want to get =
AviSys updated with your sightings you need to manually entered them. =
The reporting features are very good though and quick.
Birder's Diary offers a 30 day trial run which I did recently. I didn't =
much care for it and ran into a few program errors. The screens are way =
too busy and complex for just simple entries.
I've never used Bird Base which is another popular one.
Someone did a review on Surfbirds comparing some of the software =
packages. The information is a little dated because they are reviewing =
some older versions but it gives an objective opinion.
http://www.surfbirds.com/Features/SoftwareReview/WhichSoftware.html
Frankly, I think $150 on average to get a package that allows for world =
listing is expensive. I'm surprised there hasn't been a recent entry =
into this market at a much more cost effective price.
Bottom line - I think AviSys is still a good program and fairly easy to =
use if you don't need to manually add a bunch of old sightings.
Tom Pavlik
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Neubig" <rneubig(AT)med.umich.edu>
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2009 8:21:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [birders] birding software
Hi all,
I know that this has been discussed on numerous occasions but after =
having my old computer die, I am thinking about moving away from the =
Wildlife Recorder software to some other software for keeping track of =
bird sightings. I travel out of the country a fair amount so I'd need a =
program that has world lists.=20
What are your thoughts on AviSys, Lanius Excalibur, others?
If you send messages to me privately, I will summarize and post the =
summary to the list.
Thanks!
Rick
Rick Neubig RNeubig(AT)umich.edu=20
Department of Pharmacology University of Michigan=20
Phone (734) 763-3650 FAX (734) 763-4450
Personal web site
http://warbler.med.umich.edu=20
Center for Chemical Genomics=20
http://lsi.umich.edu/ccg
**********************************************************
Electronic Mail is not secure, may not be read every day, and should not =
be used for urgent or sensitive issues
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Subject: [birders] Re: birding software - check Bruce's site! (Gold
star!!!)
From: pavlik(AT)comcast.net
Date: 7 Dec 2009 2:01pm
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Dr Bob - in reference to your closing comment about what are you missing - =
I don't think anything. Like anything else there are different solutions fo=
r different needs. If you are only going to list in Michigan than a simple =
spreadsheet should do the trick. Heck - even good old paper and pencil is f=
ine. I keep track of my county listings in spreadsheets mostly because I do=
n't have the life expectancy to reenter them in AviSys. The spreadsheets ha=
ve become somewhat eloborate over the years complete with macros and comple=
x formulas but it's not meant for volume input.=20
You may be aware of the county list compilation that Doug McWhirter started=
about 20 years ago and Scott Jennex now maintains. There is slicing and di=
cing of sightings in most ways imanginable. Several of the categories, shou=
ld you wish to participate, would be nearly impossible to compile without t=
he use of software solution with good reporting capabilities.=20
Take care,=20
Tom=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Robert Setzer" <doctorbass(AT)comcast.net>=20
To: pavlik(AT)comcast.net, "Richard Neubig" <rneubig(AT)med.umich.edu>, birders@u=
mich.edu=20
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2009 12:07:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20
Subject: RE: [birders] Re: birding software - check Bruce's site! (Gold sta=
r!!!)=20
Birders:=20
I wrote an unsent note to Bruce Bowman awhile ago. It was still in my =E2=
=80=9Cdraft=E2=80=9D folder =E2=80=93 I never sent it. I think this might b=
e a good time to send it out. It does not directly address the =E2=80=9Cwor=
ld birds list=E2=80=9D thread tonight, but I think it might be useful to le=
ss traveled Michigan birders. I had finally reached the point where I belie=
ve I needed to start =E2=80=9Clist keeping=E2=80=9D. What fun!=20
The point here is that many Michigan birders only need Michigan bird checkl=
ists and Bruce has it covered. Excel is a commonly available and utilized p=
rogram and except for really exceptional birds there is no reason to go bey=
ond Excel (included in MS Office) other than wanting to be part of the larg=
er birding community and sharing your confident records with the world at l=
arge.=20
Again, just my thoughts as a birder confined to Michigan!=20
I pulled down my Excel list from here:=20
http://printablebirdchecklists.homestead.com/8-RegionalLists.html=20
His site has checklists from all over the world! In a quick survey tonight,=
it appears that all lists are in Excel format. I would guess that if you j=
ust want a list for yourself, you can download and set up tabs in Excel for=
the places you have traveled. It will be your file on your computer.=20
If you want to be part of =E2=80=9Cthe larger community=E2=80=9D and share =
your findings, then this might not be the way to go. (It would take me many=
years to reach this point even if I could travel to exotic destinations=E2=
=80=A6 so I do not even think about it!)=20
But, once again, I want to express my indebtedness to Bruce and his vision!=
I have what I need now!=20
(Rick =E2=80=93 Please put my name on your list of responders and let me kn=
ow what you think about my suggested =E2=80=9Cpersonal world Excel bird lis=
t=E2=80=9D as a solution. Thanks!)=20
(Tom =E2=80=93 what am I missing? I am serious, not being facetious! Maybe =
I will want to =E2=80=9Cgo there=E2=80=9D with my future list-making and pl=
an for it now. Thanks!)=20
=E2=80=9CDr. Bob=E2=80=9D=20
(=E2=80=A6learning, I am=E2=80=A6)=20
The note I wrote and never sent before tonight:=20
Bruce =E2=80=93=20
I just downloaded a checklist of Michigan birds in excel format referenced =
thru your site. I was going to ask the birders list if anyone had one, but =
checked your site first. (OK, yeah, I know=E2=80=A6) It was exactly what I =
wanted =E2=80=93 a blank MS Excel list with Michigan birds by row, sites as=
columns. I have already modified it and I am ready to start =E2=80=9Ccheck=
ing=E2=80=9D birds at our favorite sites based on my notes this year!=20
Yes, I should probably always check your site first (or at least minimally =
google the web). Yes, I probably could find almost anything on the internet=
by searching (I am fairly good =E2=80=A6 not that it shows=E2=80=A6).=20
But, 1) I tend to be a bit lazy, and 2) I tend to do too much myself on the=
internet anyway. It is so nice to get feedback (human contact) from the li=
st! Besides that, I can only look at just so many female bird pics without =
being totally overwhelmed and frustrated. It is wonderful to post a pic or =
description and ask the experts. I think it is the same with my questions. =
Sometimes I am not even really sure of the right question (i.e., search pat=
tern) and generally someone has been through the same thing before. Certain=
ly the fact that we are all mostly local helps!=20
You have really done a remarkable (and so underappreciated job) with your l=
ist management and with your several web pages!!! Give yourself another =E2=
=80=9Cgold star=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 or several!!! (=E2=80=9CLike Wow!=E2=80=
=9D as kids might say it).=20
I think =E2=80=93 similar to the note about Birds of Detroit I sent off bef=
ore =E2=80=93 I am finally ready to use more of the resources available to =
me. I now have some =E2=80=9Cbasic vocabulary=E2=80=9D and understanding so=
I can read and appreciate more.=20
Oh =E2=80=93 another interesting thing =E2=80=93 I tend to keep adding bird=
sites to my internet =E2=80=9Cfavorites=E2=80=9D list. Is it like I am the=
first one to find them? Silly me! It clogs my favorites list. You have alr=
eady caught most of the basics =E2=80=93 and far more - and provide links o=
n your sites. I do not need to personally bookmark SE Michigan sites! I can=
just go thru your site! Yes, always learning, I am=E2=80=A6 and still a bi=
t overwhelmed, but less so. Now I can go to your referenced sites, add the =
sites to my Excel worksheet as a column and imbed a comment in my site Exce=
l box as a URL and add my birds as I find them.=20
I really appreciate the list birders who include URLs to =E2=80=9Ccool bird=
ie things=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 especially new sightings, recent pics, persona=
l bird blogs and things they find just fascinating. Anything to direct me t=
o some birdie thing local, personal or special is welcomed! You welcome all=
of us!=20
Hey! But do not think you are done with my questions! I am sure numbers 1) =
and 2) will not change much.=20
I am so happy you welcomed me to the list and put up with me!=20
Thank you so much for being - and providing - such a rich resource! Kudos a=
nd =E2=80=9CGold Stars=E2=80=9D to you!!!=20
- =E2=80=9CDr. Bob=E2=80=9D=20
From: pavlik(AT)comcast.net [mailto:pavlik(AT)comcast.net]=20
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 9:45 PM=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Cc: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Subject: [birders] Re: birding software=20
Rick,=20
Yep - this subject comes up about once a year but always worth a discussion=
. I think AviSys is probably the most widely used. I have a copy including =
the world "add-on" and I use this as my primary listing program for state, =
country and world listing. I have two primary problems with AviSys. I still=
don't think that entry of sightings is very quick. If I go out birding in =
two counties on a day in May and see maybe 50 species in each county it can=
take me 10+ minutes to enter those sightings, especially if I want to make=
sure I include a specific location like a park within a county. I've also =
run into a recent program error. Another big issue is there is no import fe=
ature. You cannot upload or import any data from anywhere so if you want to=
get AviSys updated with your sightings you need to manually entered them. =
The reporting features are very good though and quick.=20
Birder's Diary offers a 30 day trial run which I did recently. I didn't muc=
h care for it and ran into a few program errors. The screens are way too bu=
sy and complex for just simple entries.=20
I've never used Bird Base which is another popular one.=20
Someone did a review on Surfbirds comparing some of the software packages. =
The information is a little dated because they are reviewing some older ver=
sions but it gives an objective opinion.=20
http://www.surfbirds.com/Features/SoftwareReview/WhichSoftware.html=20
Frankly, I think $150 on average to get a package that allows for world lis=
ting is expensive. I'm surprised there hasn't been a recent entry into this=
market at a much more cost effective price.=20
Bottom line - I think AviSys is still a good program and fairly easy to use=
if you don't need to manually add a bunch of old sightings.=20
Tom Pavlik=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Richard Neubig" <rneubig(AT)med.umich.edu>=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2009 8:21:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20
Subject: [birders] birding software=20
Hi all,=20
I know that this has been discussed on numerous occasions but after having =
my old computer die, I am thinking about moving away from the Wildlife Reco=
rder software to some other software for keeping track of bird sightings. I=
travel out of the country a fair amount so I'd need a program that has wor=
ld lists.=20
What are your thoughts on AviSys, Lanius Excalibur, others?=20
If you send messages to me privately, I will summarize and post the summary=
to the list.=20
Thanks!=20
Rick=20
Rick Neubig RNeubig(AT)umich.edu=20
Department of Pharmacology University of Michigan=20
Phone (734) 763-3650 FAX (734) 763-4450=20
Personal web site=20
http://warbler.med.umich.edu=20
Center for Chemical Genomics=20
http://lsi.umich.edu/ccg=20
**********************************************************=20
Electronic Mail is not secure, may not be read every day, and should not be=
used for urgent or sensitive issues=20
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tml=20
* To unsubscribe from birders(AT)umich.edu send a blank message to=20
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. To=20
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Subject: [birders] Re: birding software - check Bruce's site! (Gold
star!!!)
From: "Bruce M. Bowman" <bbowman99(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 7 Dec 2009 9:29am
> I pulled down my Excel list from here:
>
> http://printablebirdchecklists.homestead.com/8-RegionalLists.html
>
Or go to
http://printablebirdchecklists.homestead.com/
BTW, I don't use Excel for my own listing and can't vouch for anything at
the printablebirdchecklists web site.
Bruce
From: "Robert Setzer" <doctorbass(AT)comcast.net>
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Subject: [birders] Re: birding software - check Bruce's site! (Gold
star!!!)
Date sent: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 00:07:59 -0500
Send reply to: "Robert Setzer" <doctorbass(AT)comcast.net>
> Birders:
>
>
>
> I wrote an unsent note to Bruce Bowman awhile ago. It was still in my
> “draft” folder – I never sent it. I think this might be a good time
> to send it out. It does not directly address the “world birds list”
> thread tonight, but I think it might be useful to less traveled Michigan
> birders. I had finally reached the point where I believe I needed to start
> “list keeping”. What fun!
>
>
>
> The point here is that many Michigan birders only need Michigan bird
> checklists and Bruce has it covered. Excel is a commonly available and
> utilized program and except for really exceptional birds there is no
> reason to go beyond Excel (included in MS Office) other than wanting to be
> part of the larger birding community and sharing your confident records
> with the world at large.
>
>
>
> Again, just my thoughts as a birder confined to Michigan!
>
>
>
> I pulled down my Excel list from here:
>
> http://printablebirdchecklists.homestead.com/8-RegionalLists.html
>
>
>
> His site has checklists from all over the world! In a quick survey
> tonight, it appears that all lists are in Excel format. I would guess that
> if you just want a list for yourself, you can download and set up tabs in
> Excel for the places you have traveled. It will be your file on your
> computer.
>
>
>
> If you want to be part of “the larger community” and share your
> findings, then this might not be the way to go. (It would take me many
> years to reach this point even if I could travel to exotic destinations…
> so I do not even think about it!)
>
>
>
> But, once again, I want to express my indebtedness to Bruce and his
> vision! I have what I need now!
>
>
>
> (Rick – Please put my name on your list of responders and let me know
> what you think about my suggested “personal world Excel bird list” as
> a solution. Thanks!)
>
> (Tom – what am I missing? I am serious, not being facetious! Maybe I
> will want to “go there” with my future list-making and plan for it
> now. Thanks!)
>
>
>
> “Dr. Bob”
>
> (…learning, I am…)
>
>
>
> The note I wrote and never sent before tonight:
>
> Bruce –
>
>
>
> I just downloaded a checklist of Michigan birds in excel format referenced
> thru your site. I was going to ask the birders list if anyone had one, but
> checked your site first. (OK, yeah, I know…) It was exactly what I
> wanted – a blank MS Excel list with Michigan birds by row, sites as
> columns. I have already modified it and I am ready to start “checking”
> birds at our favorite sites based on my notes this year!
>
>
>
> Yes, I should probably always check your site first (or at least minimally
> google the web). Yes, I probably could find almost anything on the
> internet by searching (I am fairly good … not that it shows…).
>
>
>
> But, 1) I tend to be a bit lazy, and 2) I tend to do too much myself on
> the internet anyway. It is so nice to get feedback (human contact) from
> the list! Besides that, I can only look at just so many female bird pics
> without being totally overwhelmed and frustrated. It is wonderful to post
> a pic or description and ask the experts. I think it is the same with my
> questions. Sometimes I am not even really sure of the right question
> (i.e., search pattern) and generally someone has been through the same
> thing before. Certainly the fact that we are all mostly local helps!
>
>
>
> You have really done a remarkable (and so underappreciated job) with your
> list management and with your several web pages!!! Give yourself another
> “gold star” – or several!!! (“Like Wow!” as kids might say it).
>
>
>
> I think – similar to the note about Birds of Detroit I sent off before
> – I am finally ready to use more of the resources available to me. I now
> have some “basic vocabulary” and understanding so I can read and
> appreciate more.
>
>
>
> Oh – another interesting thing – I tend to keep adding bird sites to
> my internet “favorites” list. Is it like I am the first one to find
> them? Silly me! It clogs my favorites list. You have already caught most
> of the basics – and far more - and provide links on your sites. I do not
> need to personally bookmark SE Michigan sites! I can just go thru your
> site! Yes, always learning, I am… and still a bit overwhelmed, but less
> so. Now I can go to your referenced sites, add the sites to my Excel
> worksheet as a column and imbed a comment in my site Excel box as a URL
> and add my birds as I find them.
>
>
>
> I really appreciate the list birders who include URLs to “cool birdie
> things” – especially new sightings, recent pics, personal bird blogs
> and things they find just fascinating. Anything to direct me to some
> birdie thing local, personal or special is welcomed! You welcome all of
> us!
>
>
>
> Hey! But do not think you are done with my questions! I am sure numbers 1)
> and 2) will not change much.
>
>
>
> I am so happy you welcomed me to the list and put up with me!
>
>
>
> Thank you so much for being - and providing - such a rich resource! Kudos
> and “Gold Stars” to you!!!
>
>
>
> - “Dr. Bob”
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: pavlik(AT)comcast.net [mailto:pavlik(AT)comcast.net]
> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 9:45 PM
> To: birders(AT)umich.edu
> Cc: birders(AT)umich.edu
> Subject: [birders] Re: birding software
>
>
>
> Rick,
>
> Yep - this subject comes up about once a year but always worth a
> discussion. I think AviSys is probably the most widely used. I have a
> copy including the world "add-on" and I use this as my primary listing
> program for state, country and world listing. I have two primary problems
> with AviSys. I still don't think that entry of sightings is very quick.
> If I go out birding in two counties on a day in May and see maybe 50
> species in each county it can take me 10+ minutes to enter those
> sightings, especially if I want to make sure I include a specific location
> like a park within a county. I've also run into a recent program error.
> Another big issue is there is no import feature. You cannot upload or
> import any data from anywhere so if you want to get AviSys updated with
> your sightings you need to manually entered them. The reporting features
> are very good though and quick.
>
> Birder's Diary offers a 30 day trial run which I did recently. I didn't
> much care for it and ran into a few program errors. The screens are way
> too busy and complex for just simple entries.
>
> I've never used Bird Base which is another popular one.
>
> Someone did a review on Surfbirds comparing some of the software packages.
> The information is a little dated because they are reviewing some older
> versions but it gives an objective opinion.
> http://www.surfbirds.com/Features/SoftwareReview/WhichSoftware.html
>
> Frankly, I think $150 on average to get a package that allows for world
> listing is expensive. I'm surprised there hasn't been a recent entry into
> this market at a much more cost effective price.
>
> Bottom line - I think AviSys is still a good program and fairly easy to
> use if you don't need to manually add a bunch of old sightings.
>
> Tom Pavlik
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Neubig" <rneubig(AT)med.umich.edu>
> To: birders(AT)umich.edu
> Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2009 8:21:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [birders] birding software
>
> Hi all,
> I know that this has been discussed on numerous occasions but after having
> my old computer die, I am thinking about moving away from the Wildlife
> Recorder software to some other software for keeping track of bird
> sightings. I travel out of the country a fair amount so I'd need a
> program that has world lists.
>
> What are your thoughts on AviSys, Lanius Excalibur, others?
>
> If you send messages to me privately, I will summarize and post the
> summary to the list. Thanks! Rick
>
> Rick Neubig RNeubig(AT)umich.edu
> Department of Pharmacology University of Michigan
> Phone (734) 763-3650 FAX (734) 763-4450
>
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Subject: [birders] birding software
From: James Fox <93fox(AT)earthlink.net>
Date: 7 Dec 2009 9:54am
I use ebird to keep track of my lists. Ebird is free and will
automatically generate month, year, county, state, continent, ABA
area, ABA area ticks, and world lists from the checklists you
submit. It also shows top 100 lists for counties, states, and the
ABA area so you can see how you compare with other eBirders. The main
problem I have with eBird is that you can't indicate different
counties on the same checklist. For example, when submitting one
checklist for Kensington, you cannot mark which birds were seen in
Oakland County and which birds were seen in Livingston county. The
only other problems I can think of are that it doesn't cover the whole
world (just the Americas, Antarctica, and NZ), and it would probably
be time consuming to input old records. However, it is supposed to
expand to cover the rest of the world soon and they do have some
software to upload data from some birding programs as well as from
spreadsheets. While it probably isn't as good as the birding software
you have to pay for there is the added benefit that your records are
being used to keep track of bird populations. If you want to know
more about ebird you can visit ebird.org and click on the About eBird
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Subject: [birders] Re: birding software
From: "Bruce M. Bowman" <bbowman99(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 7 Dec 2009 10:08am
Re. eBird also see the two web pages below.
http://www.ezbird.org/
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/news/ezbird
I have never used eBird or the EZbird "add-on," so I can't vouch for
them.
Bruce
From: James Fox <93fox(AT)earthlink.net>
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Subject: [birders] birding software
Date sent: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:54:40 -0500
Send reply to: James Fox <93fox(AT)earthlink.net>
> I use ebird to keep track of my lists. Ebird is free and will
> automatically generate month, year, county, state, continent, ABA
> area, ABA area ticks, and world lists from the checklists you
> submit. It also shows top 100 lists for counties, states, and the ABA
> area so you can see how you compare with other eBirders. The main
> problem I have with eBird is that you can't indicate different counties
> on the same checklist. For example, when submitting one checklist for
> Kensington, you cannot mark which birds were seen in Oakland County and
> which birds were seen in Livingston county. The only other problems I can
> think of are that it doesn't cover the whole world (just the Americas,
> Antarctica, and NZ), and it would probably be time consuming to input old
> records. However, it is supposed to expand to cover the rest of the
> world soon and they do have some software to upload data from some
> birding programs as well as from spreadsheets. While it probably isn't
> as good as the birding software you have to pay for there is the added
> benefit that your records are being used to keep track of bird
> populations. If you want to know more about ebird you can visit
> ebird.org and click on the About eBird tab.
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Subject: [birders] Re: birding software
From: Sarah Toner <strix09(AT)gmail.com>
Date: 7 Dec 2009 12:45pm
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I highly recommend Ebird. I use it to compile all my life list sightings.
It's easy and free, although the list submissions take about 5 minutes each.
They just started a new email submission program, which I have not tried.
Sarah T.
NE Ann Arbor
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Bruce M. Bowman <bbowman99(AT)comcast.net>wrote:
> Re. eBird also see the two web pages below.
>
> http://www.ezbird.org/
> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/news/ezbird
>
> I have never used eBird or the EZbird "add-on," so I can't vouch for
> them.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> From: James Fox <93fox(AT)earthlink.net>
> To: birders(AT)umich.edu
> Subject: [birders] birding software
> Date sent: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:54:40 -0500
> Send reply to: James Fox <93fox(AT)earthlink.net>
>
> > I use ebird to keep track of my lists. Ebird is free and will
> > automatically generate month, year, county, state, continent, ABA
> > area, ABA area ticks, and world lists from the checklists you
> > submit. It also shows top 100 lists for counties, states, and the ABA
> > area so you can see how you compare with other eBirders. The main
> > problem I have with eBird is that you can't indicate different counties
> > on the same checklist. For example, when submitting one checklist for
> > Kensington, you cannot mark which birds were seen in Oakland County and
> > which birds were seen in Livingston county. The only other problems I
> can
> > think of are that it doesn't cover the whole world (just the Americas,
> > Antarctica, and NZ), and it would probably be time consuming to input
> old
> > records. However, it is supposed to expand to cover the rest of the
> > world soon and they do have some software to upload data from some
> > birding programs as well as from spreadsheets. While it probably isn't
> > as good as the birding software you have to pay for there is the added
> > benefit that your records are being used to keep track of bird
> > populations. If you want to know more about ebird you can visit
> > ebird.org and click on the About eBird tab.
> >
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I highly recommend Ebird. I use it to compile all my life list sightings. I=
t's easy and free, although the list submissions take about 5 minutes e=
ach. They just started a new email submission program, which I have not tri=
ed.=A0<div>
<br></div><div>Sarah T.</div><div>NE Ann Arbor<br><div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote">On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Bruce M. Bowman <span dir=3D"lt=
r"><<a href=3D"mailto:bbowman99(AT)comcast.net" target=3D"_blank">bbowman99=
@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Re. eBird also see the two web pages below.<=
br>
<br>
=A0<a href=3D"http://www.ezbird.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ezbird.=
org/</a><br>
=A0<a href=3D"http://ebird.org/content/ebird/news/ezbird" target=3D"_blank=
">http://ebird.org/content/ebird/news/ezbird</a><br>
<br>
I have never used eBird or the EZbird "add-on," so I can't vo=
uch for<br>
them.<br>
<br>
Bruce<br>
<br>
<br>
From: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 James Fox <<a href=3D"mailto:9=
3fox(AT)earthlink.net" target=3D"_blank">93fox(AT)earthlink.net</a>><br>
To: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <a href=3D"mailto:birders@umich=
.edu" target=3D"_blank">birders(AT)umich.edu</a><br>
Subject: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0[birders] birding software<br>
Date sent: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:54:40 -0500<br>
Send reply to: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0James Fox <<a href=3D"mailto:93fox@ear=
thlink.net" target=3D"_blank">93fox(AT)earthlink.net</a>><br>
<div><div></div><div><br>
> I use ebird to keep track of my lists. =A0Ebird is free and will<br>
> automatically generate month, year, county, state, continent, ABA<br>
> area, ABA area ticks, and world lists from the checklists you<br>
> submit. =A0 =A0It also shows top 100 lists for counties, states, and t=
he =A0ABA<br>
> area so you can see how you compare with other eBirders. =A0The main<b=
r>
> problem I have with eBird is that you can't indicate different =A0=
counties<br>
> on the same checklist. =A0For example, when submitting one =A0checklis=
t for<br>
> Kensington, you cannot mark which birds were seen in =A0Oakland County=
and<br>
> which birds were seen in Livingston county. The =A0only other problems=
I can<br>
> think of are that it doesn't cover the whole =A0world (just the Am=
ericas,<br>
> Antarctica, and NZ), and it would probably =A0be time consuming to inp=
ut old<br>
> records. =A0However, it is supposed to =A0expand to cover the rest of =
the<br>
> world soon and they do have some =A0software to upload data from some<=
br>
> birding programs as well as from =A0spreadsheets. =A0While it probably=
isn't<br>
> as good as the birding software =A0you have to pay for there is the ad=
ded<br>
> benefit that your records are =A0being used to keep track of bird<br>
> populations. =A0If you want to know =A0more about ebird you can visit<=
br>
> <a href=3D"http://ebird.org" target=3D"_blank">ebird.org</a> and click=
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Subject: [birders] Re: birding software
From: "Bruce M. Bowman" <bbowman99(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 7 Dec 2009 5:30pm
EZBird is the email submission add-on.
Bruce
Date sent: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:45:33 -0500
Subject: [birders] Re: birding software
From: Sarah Toner <strix09(AT)gmail.com>
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Send reply to: Sarah Toner <strix09(AT)gmail.com>
> I highly recommend Ebird. I use it to compile all my life list sightings.
> It's easy and free, although the list submissions take about 5 minutes
> each. They just started a new email submission program, which I have not
> tried.
>
> Sarah T.
> NE Ann Arbor
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Bruce M. Bowman
> <bbowman99(AT)comcast.net>wrote:
>
> > Re. eBird also see the two web pages below.
> >
> > http://www.ezbird.org/
> > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/news/ezbird
> >
> > I have never used eBird or the EZbird "add-on," so I can't vouch for
> > them.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> > From: James Fox <93fox(AT)earthlink.net>
> > To: birders(AT)umich.edu
> > Subject: [birders] birding software
> > Date sent: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:54:40 -0500
> > Send reply to: James Fox <93fox(AT)earthlink.net>
> >
> > > I use ebird to keep track of my lists. Ebird is free and will
> > > automatically generate month, year, county, state, continent, ABA
> > > area, ABA area ticks, and world lists from the checklists you submit.
> > > It also shows top 100 lists for counties, states, and the ABA area
> > > so you can see how you compare with other eBirders. The main problem
> > > I have with eBird is that you can't indicate different counties on
> > > the same checklist. For example, when submitting one checklist for
> > > Kensington, you cannot mark which birds were seen in Oakland County
> > > and which birds were seen in Livingston county. The only other
> > > problems I
> > can
> > > think of are that it doesn't cover the whole world (just the
> > > Americas, Antarctica, and NZ), and it would probably be time
> > > consuming to input
> > old
> > > records. However, it is supposed to expand to cover the rest of the
> > > world soon and they do have some software to upload data from some
> > > birding programs as well as from spreadsheets. While it probably
> > > isn't as good as the birding software you have to pay for there is
> > > the added benefit that your records are being used to keep track of
> > > bird populations. If you want to know more about ebird you can visit
> > > ebird.org and click on the About eBird tab.
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Subject: [birders] update, Snowy Owl, Selfridge ANG/AFB, Macomb
county.
From: "Russell Emmons" <birdeland(AT)pasty.net>
Date: 7 Dec 2009 9:49pm
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Our daughter Alice stationed at Selfridge says the Snowy Owl is still =
there and insists on returning to the flight line! The base enviromental =
office is keeping watch of it and trying to keep it and the planes safe! =
It often happily hunts mice under the left over mown grass clippings. =
She can see it from her office door. Pics she has got, not very good =
but if & when she gets decent ones they will have to be cleared, =
permission etc. to be released.
More later
Russ Emmons, Casco Twp. St. Clair county
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Subject: [birders] Fw: [Mich-chat] Ancient Murrelet observers
From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 7 Dec 2009 10:59pm
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From: Rick Brigham=20
To: bbclist(AT)andrews.edu ; mich-chat=20
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 10:52 PM
Subject: [Mich-chat] Ancient Murrelet observers
To all Ancient Murrelet observers (or those who might know of some),
Out of sheer curiosity (and inherent addiction to listing) I am putting =
together a list of the observers of this fall's Ancient Murrrelet at St. =
Joseph. The list has grown to 135 people, but there are many who have =
not been accounted for. If you observed this bird or know of others who =
did, please respond to me with name(s), city from and date(s) of the =
sighting.=20
Thanks,
Rick
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Douglas MI
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Subject: [birders] Fw: [Mich-chat] Ancient Murrelet observers
From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 7 Dec 2009 11:26pm
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From: Rick Brigham=20
To: bbclist(AT)andrews.edu ; mich-chat=20
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 10:52 PM
Subject: [Mich-chat] Ancient Murrelet observers
To all Ancient Murrelet observers (or those who might know of some),
Out of sheer curiosity (and inherent addiction to listing) I am putting =
together a list of the observers of this fall's Ancient Murrrelet at St. =
Joseph. The list has grown to 135 people, but there are many who have =
not been accounted for. If you observed this bird or know of others who =
did, please respond to me with name(s), city from and date(s) of the =
sighting.=20
Thanks,
Rick
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Douglas MI
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