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UMichBirders for Sunday, December 20, 2009

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 [birders] Hartland CBC - zone 6 highlights (Livingston Co)  John Lowry   10:28am 
 [birders] Do birds depend on feeders in winter?  Wayne Fisher   5:59pm 
 [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter?  Fred Kaluza  1:52pm 
 [birders] RE: Hartland CBC - zone 6 highlights (Livingston Co)  Fred Kaluza  2:02pm 
 [birders] Mockingbird- Joy Rd.  Andy Johnson   1:40pm 
 [birders] Re: Carolina wren in Canton  Diana Dyer   3:19pm 
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[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [birders] Hartland CBC - zone 6 highlights (Livingston Co) From: John Lowry <john(AT)kingbird.org> Date: 20 Dec 2009 10:28am Birders, Clark (my nephew) and I covered the central zone (of seven) for the Highland Christmas Bird Count yesterday. We recorded 38 species throughout the day, and our best birds were actually found by Lyle and Sean who snuck into our territory for some poaching. I'm glad they did! Notable sightings. Red Fox - hunting in a marsh - when it saw us from about 100 yards away it ran off, delighting us with its light, bouncy gait. Cooper's Hawks - Four, including three adults perched, affording great closeup views. Horned Grebe - Six(!) on Lake Chemung, found by Lyle Hamilton and Sean Bachman. Eastern Bluebird - 12 in a flock - always a joy to see a big flock of these! Flickers - 6, which seemed like a lot, especially since we noted only one Red-bellied Woodpecker. I'll be interested to see if there were that many flickers throughout SE Michigan. We had no Purple Finches, and in a quick survey with some other parties after the count, I don't recall any others. Of course, this morning there were three at our home feeder - so they are around. Lake Chemung has a large number of waterfowl right now. Among the 1000 Mallards there are Canvasbacks, Ring-necks, Goldeneye, Bufflehead, Hooded Merg and some others. Looking forward to hearing what was seen in Washtenaw County. John Lowry --- * birders FAQ - http://www.umich.edu/~bbowman/birds/birders_FAQ.html * photo sharing site - http://www.umich.edu/~bbowman/birds/se_mich/photos.html * To unsubscribe from birders(AT)umich.edu send a blank message to lyris(AT)listserver.itd.umich.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE BIRDERS as the Subject line. To resubscribe use SUBSCRIBE BIRDERS Your Name.
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [birders] Do birds depend on feeders in winter? From: Wayne Fisher <waynef(AT)provide.net> Date: 20 Dec 2009 5:59pm  How much do birds depend on feeders to survive the winter? I know that the conventional wisdom is that they have plenty of natural food, and aren't dependent on feeders, but what is that based on? How do we know?<br /><br />During the CBC, we find lots of birds near feeders. There are many areas of good natural habitat away from feeders that seem almost empty. That would imply that the feeder birds are getting a significant portion of their food from feeders.<br /><br />There are a number of  feeder birds that are expanding their range northward - ie Cardinal and Tufted Titmouse. Is this evidence that feeders make it easier for them to survive the winter?<br /><br />Wayne Fisher<br />Dexter, MI<br /> --- * birders FAQ - http://www.umich.edu/~bbowman/birds/birders_FAQ.html * photo sharing site - http://www.umich.edu/~bbowman/birds/se_mich/photos.html * To unsubscribe from birders(AT)umich.edu send a blank message to lyris(AT)listserver.itd.umich.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE BIRDERS as the Subject line. To resubscribe use SUBSCRIBE BIRDERS Your Name.
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter? From: "Fred Kaluza" <fkaluza(AT)yahoo.com> Date: 20 Dec 2009 1:52pm This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- Wayne, I'm certain that their survival instincts will always require birds to "go where the food is" if they find themselves where there is none on has run out. What I'm not as certain about is the balance between peril and comfort when birds are found in large numbers. I would think wide disbursement would be best for survival generally but again, the strategy probably depends on the species and a whole bunch of other interrelated aspects of their surroundings. Inter-species survival strategies and behaviors is fascinating stuff. Another certainty is that Hawks and other predators are drawn to "where the action is". I think birds are also "imprintable" and I'm fairly certain that many of my local birds come here primarily because that's where their "parents" showed them to come for food and over the last 18 years there are now multiple generations with this knowledge around here. I'm sure that birds take advantage of "sentinel" birds in that they easily take cues from their own kind as well as from other bird species that issue intelligible warning cries and/or show certain behaviors when predators come around.. No doubt this is very complex and constantly involving as in how do native species react to calls given by non-native birds in their midst? Also, who hasn't noticed Blue Jays making Hawk calls or Crow calls for no apparent reason in a feeder setting except seemingly to watch all the other birds scatter? Is it just fun or are they driving competition away from the food? Here they do it even when their primary source of food is open and available to them with no other birds going after it. Maybe it's just a reaction to seeing large numbers of birds in a feeding environment? What I also see quite often is when the male Rick-Necked Pheasant who has been a regular here for years finds Doves or Pigeons or even Gray or Fox Squirrels around. Then he puts on a heck of a show. Keeping his head down and flaring his wings and body he looks very much like an avian "bull" charging after all comers and will only feed when he's driven all the larger critters away. Certainly birds are thinking and learning and using that knowledge to enhance their daily survival but I wonder if they think we're crazy for wasting, time, fuel and money to grow their food in one place and transport to other places where we then give it to them when they would have been happy to take it themselves directly from where it grew in the first place. They probably evolved to take advantage of food that grew where the surrounds allowed them to feed in relative security. What's problematic is when we place their favorite foods in an area that provides no cover, no shelter and no chance of escape. That kind of temptation is just a tease that probably puts them under extreme stress against which their only alternative is starvation or evacuation. The best feeding areas are probably those that most closely mimic what they would be finding in "nature" and not a hopper-full of pre-shelled Sunflower seeds in the middle of an open backyard. Perhaps the ease of feeding in places like that offsets the danger by letting them get in, get fed, and get back to somewhere safe more quickly. What I don't "get" are the actions of "hawk-bait" species like Mourning Doves. They will come in a gorge themselves and then, just hang-around all day in the midst of all the other "action" to the point where they become the most targeted prey for the Hawks. I won't call them "dumb" as ascribing words like that to animals seems silly however I don't recognize it as a very good survival tactic. I think your question is a great one and hope it gets a lot of comments from those researchers and observers that haunt this list. Fred in Warren _____ From: Wayne Fisher [mailto:waynef(AT)provide.net] Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:00 PM To: birders(AT)umich.edu Subject: [birders] Do birds depend on feeders in winter? How much do birds depend on feeders to survive the winter? I know that the conventional wisdom is that they have plenty of natural food, and aren't dependent on feeders, but what is that based on? How do we know? During the CBC, we find lots of birds near feeders. There are many areas of good natural habitat away from feeders that seem almost empty. That would imply that the feeder birds are getting a significant portion of their food from feeders. There are a number of feeder birds that are expanding their range northward - ie Cardinal and Tufted Titmouse. Is this evidence that feeders make it easier for them to survive the winter? Wayne Fisher Dexter, MI --- * birders FAQ - http://www.umich.edu/~bbowman/birds/birders_FAQ.html * photo sharing site - http://www.umich.edu/~bbowman/birds/se_mich/photos.html * To unsubscribe from birders(AT)umich.edu send a blank message to lyris(AT)listserver.itd.umich.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE BIRDERS as the Subject line. To resubscribe use SUBSCRIBE BIRDERS Your Name. No virus found in this incoming message. 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[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [birders] RE: Hartland CBC - zone 6 highlights (Livingston Co) From: "Fred Kaluza" <fkaluza(AT)yahoo.com> Date: 20 Dec 2009 2:02pm Interesting point on Flickers John. I had one come around yesterday and check-out a nest cavity for a minute or so. The sunlight was showing vivid yellow through his wings as he struggled to maintain grip/balance at the cavity entrance. I don't think I've ever seen a Flicker around here before in the "dead" of winter. Certainly they have never frequented my seeds or suet to date. I do like them a lot but nesting attempts here have thus-far been thwarted by marauding European Starlings. I had an active Flicker nest a few years ago with four eggs in it and the Starlings invaded and threw the eggs out. Flickers have a tough time reproducing in many areas now and I'm not sure how their overall numbers are trending. Fred in Warren -----Original Message----- From: John Lowry [mailto:john(AT)kingbird.org] Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 10:28 AM To: birders(AT)umich.edu Subject: [birders] Hartland CBC - zone 6 highlights (Livingston Co) Birders, Clark (my nephew) and I covered the central zone (of seven) for the Highland Christmas Bird Count yesterday. We recorded 38 species throughout the day, and our best birds were actually found by Lyle and Sean who snuck into our territory for some poaching. I'm glad they did! Notable sightings. Red Fox - hunting in a marsh - when it saw us from about 100 yards away it ran off, delighting us with its light, bouncy gait. Cooper's Hawks - Four, including three adults perched, affording great closeup views. Horned Grebe - Six(!) on Lake Chemung, found by Lyle Hamilton and Sean Bachman. Eastern Bluebird - 12 in a flock - always a joy to see a big flock of these! Flickers - 6, which seemed like a lot, especially since we noted only one Red-bellied Woodpecker. I'll be interested to see if there were that many flickers throughout SE Michigan. We had no Purple Finches, and in a quick survey with some other parties after the count, I don't recall any others. Of course, this morning there were three at our home feeder - so they are around. Lake Chemung has a large number of waterfowl right now. Among the 1000 Mallards there are Canvasbacks, Ring-necks, Goldeneye, Bufflehead, Hooded Merg and some others. Looking forward to hearing what was seen in Washtenaw County. John Lowry --- * birders FAQ - http://www.umich.edu/~bbowman/birds/birders_FAQ.html * photo sharing site - http://www.umich.edu/~bbowman/birds/se_mich/photos.html * To unsubscribe from birders(AT)umich.edu send a blank message to lyris(AT)listserver.itd.umich.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE BIRDERS as the Subject line. To resubscribe use SUBSCRIBE BIRDERS Your Name. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.115/2577 - Release Date: 12/20/09 02:35:00 --- * birders FAQ - http://www.umich.edu/~bbowman/birds/birders_FAQ.html * photo sharing site - http://www.umich.edu/~bbowman/birds/se_mich/photos.html * To unsubscribe from birders(AT)umich.edu send a blank message to lyris(AT)listserver.itd.umich.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE BIRDERS as the Subject line. To resubscribe use SUBSCRIBE BIRDERS Your Name.
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [birders] Mockingbird- Joy Rd. From: Andy Johnson <andysj531(AT)yahoo.com> Date: 20 Dec 2009 1:40pm ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- At about 4:00 this afternoon, Roger Wykes and I found a Mockingbird on Joy Rd, just east of Gleaner. It was foraging on both sides of Joy. Andy Johnson --- * birders FAQ - http://www.umich.edu/~bbowman/birds/birders_FAQ.html * photo sharing site - http://www.umich.edu/~bbowman/birds/se_mich/photos.html * To unsubscribe from birders(AT)umich.edu send a blank message to lyris(AT)listserver.itd.umich.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE BIRDERS as the Subject line. To resubscribe use SUBSCRIBE BIRDERS Your Name. ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----
[ << | >> | ^^ ] Subject: [birders] Re: Carolina wren in Canton From: Diana Dyer <dianagrantdyer(AT)yahoo.com> Date: 20 Dec 2009 3:19pm ----INCLUDING text/plain MIME SECTION---- A Carolina wren was at our feeders in NE Ann Arbor this morning, too. After leaving all my feeders empty since April, I finally got them all cleaned up again this week, filled (including the heated bird bath), and within 10 minutes, all the "usuals" were flying in (plus the squirrels came running!). Diana Dyer Ann Arbor, MI ________________________________ From: Bruce McCulloch <flavus94(AT)yahoo.com> To: birders(AT)umich.edu Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 11:27:40 AM Subject: [birders] Carolina wren in Canton It has been a slow morning, but a Carolina wren stopped by for awhile to feed on suet. BRM, Canton --- * birders FAQ - http://www.umich.edu/~bbowman/birds/birders_FAQ.html * photo sharing site - http://www.umich.edu/~bbowman/birds/se_mich/photos.html * To unsubscribe from birders(AT)umich.edu send a blank message to lyris(AT)listserver.itd.umich.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE BIRDERS as the Subject line. To resubscribe use SUBSCRIBE BIRDERS Your Name. --- * birders FAQ - http://www.umich.edu/~bbowman/birds/birders_FAQ.html * photo sharing site - http://www.umich.edu/~bbowman/birds/se_mich/photos.html * To unsubscribe from birders(AT)umich.edu send a blank message to lyris(AT)listserver.itd.umich.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE BIRDERS as the Subject line. To resubscribe use SUBSCRIBE BIRDERS Your Name. ----DELETED text/html MIME SECTION----

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