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Subject: [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter?
From: "Sally K Scheer" <winerat(AT)villagecorner.com>
Date: 23 Dec 2009 12:31am
My pragmatic sister reminds me that "wild things are used to their sources
of food disappearing and will find other sources when that happen". A wild
natural source of food may disappear just as a bird feeder may run out of
food and not be resupplied immediately. The population crash that's likely
to occur if the plug is pulled is probably that the localized population
went to the feeder down the street or across town. I don't think the picture
of birds dropping out of the sky from starvation is very probable.
Sally Scheer
North of Rogers City
Presque Isle & Bearinger Townships
on the Shore of Lake Huron
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From: "Fred Kaluza" <fkaluza(AT)yahoo.com>
To: <birders(AT)umich.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:28 PM
Subject: [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter?
> Good comments Penny, I agree that the camouflage is pretty-darn good
> on Doves and as pointed-out, whatever they're doing seems to have become a
> working strategy for survival based on their numbers. The scary thing
> about
> feeders is what will become of our catered-to feathered friends should
> caring and generous suburban residents pull the plug on their supplemental
> repasts? I think an extreme and fairly localized population crash would
> result. There's been some good science recently on tracking and locating
> migrating birds with a new generation of tracking devices. I wonder how
> much is known about the wanderings of "resident" birds?
>
> Certainly recapture studies from Julie Craves and Allen Chartier
> give some info about the home areas of "local" birds and I've personally
> wondered about the size of "my Coopers Hawk's" territory or whether "my"
> Downy Woodpeckers or Black-Capped Chickadees wander more than 1/2 mile
> from
> my yard? My mother-in-law has detected on more than one occasion when
> I've
> run out of Nyger or Thistle seed based on how many more Goldfinches show
> up
> at her house but that's only 5 houses down the street.
>
> P.S. K9 pet food and supply on Mound Road just got some 50 lb bags
> of Thistle from that grower in Shiawassee County for like $33 per bag!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Penny [mailto:Jumpthroughhoops(AT)yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:52 PM
> To: birders(AT)umich.edu
> Subject: [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter?
>
> Typically, I think, a flock of birds would find a patch of land with their
> type of food growing on it, consume all available food there, and then,
> move on to find the next place with abundant food and repeat the process.
> Over the years, these places would be fairly constant at certain times of
> year, unless disturbed by farming or sprawl. In the wild some of these
> birds would die if the flock was unable to find replacement feeding
> grounds. With feeders, the food diminishes but is immediately replaced,
> so the birds don't have to move on to another feeding ground. They also
> don't have to travel exhausting distances; even the weaker birds can fly
> across the street to your feeder. This allows more birds to survive and
> allows the adults to bring their young to the sure source of food. I know
> in my yard, at least, all naturally occurring breeds in this area have
> increased every year - way more grackles, robins, and red-wing blackbirds
> in spring and summer, more cardinals, goldfinches, chickadees, titmice,
> doves, and nuthatches in winter. And more hawks. I now have dozens of
> birds of each species, whereas I used to only have one or 2 at a time. I
> counted 12 juncos this morning, over 20 goldfinches, and 6 or so
> cardinals. I've even seen chickadees caching seeds for later when the
> feeders are freshly filled.
> As for the mourning dove behavior mentioned by Fred, I find that they are
> hard to see in my yard, blending in so well with wood chips, etc.,that
> I've almost stepped on them, and they are rarely taken by hawks here. I
> think they rely on camo more than brains.
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Subject: [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter?
From: "Cendra Lynn" <cendra(AT)digitalrealm.net>
Date: 23 Dec 2009 1:08am
Around here the birds are depending on something other than the neighborhood
feeders! Sherri's pet Cooper's Hawk seems to be keeping everyone at bay.
In the last week I saw one lone woodpecker (still studying the book to
decide which kind it was) and yesterday a small flock of sparrows that all
dove inside a neighbor's bush when the nightly crow migration began before
dusk. My neighbor said she saw a couple finshes at her sock. That's it.
Silent Winter. I just hope the hawk decides soon that the cupboard is bare
over here and moves on to anywhere else. I've suggested Sherri keep it in
her garage and feed it, but had no reply.... :-)
Cendra Lynn, Birder Wannabe
OWS, A2
-----Original Message-----
From: Penny [mailto:Jumpthroughhoops(AT)yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:52 PM
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Subject: [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter?
Typically, I think, a flock of birds would find a patch of land with their
type of food growing on it, consume all available food there, and then,
move on to find the next place with abundant food and repeat the process.
Over the years, these places would be fairly constant at certain times of
year, unless disturbed by farming or sprawl. In the wild some of these
birds would die if the flock was unable to find replacement feeding
grounds. With feeders, the food diminishes but is immediately replaced,
so the birds don't have to move on to another feeding ground. They also
don't have to travel exhausting distances; even the weaker birds can fly
across the street to your feeder. This allows more birds to survive and
allows the adults to bring their young to the sure source of food. I know
in my yard, at least, all naturally occurring breeds in this area have
increased every year - way more grackles, robins, and red-wing blackbirds
in spring and summer, more cardinals, goldfinches, chickadees, titmice,
doves, and nuthatches in winter. And more hawks. I now have dozens of
birds of each species, whereas I used to only have one or 2 at a time. I
counted 12 juncos this morning, over 20 goldfinches, and 6 or so
cardinals. I've even seen chickadees caching seeds for later when the
feeders are freshly filled.
As for the mourning dove behavior mentioned by Fred, I find that they are
hard to see in my yard, blending in so well with wood chips, etc.,that
I've almost stepped on them, and they are rarely taken by hawks here. I
think they rely on camo more than brains.
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Subject: [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter?
From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 23 Dec 2009 7:17am
Fred,
Yes, Julie and I have shared banded American Goldfinches, a species that
appears to be highly mobile in winter. The distance between RRBO and my
house is about 4 miles in a straight line, and between the Craves residence
and my house a little over 5 miles. It becomes clear where all the thistle
seed is going when you realize that goldfinches from as far as 5 miles away
may be using my tiny yard!
This fall, I suddenly had Tufted Titmice (at least 3) show up and attend my
feeders steadily, something that hasn't happened here in years. Among them
was a bird that Julie banded at RRBO only a few days before it turned up
here (and it is still here; I saw it yesterday...Julie bands on the left leg
and I band on the right). So, even individuals that appear to be sedentary
can and will move around.
Without banding, looking closely and keeping track of the age and/or sex of
individuals can give you an idea of how many are visiting your feeders. For
example, if you see only 3 Downy Woodpeckers at a time, but observe 3
females at once, than another time 3 males, then obviously you have 6 of
them. So far since October, I've banded 10 Downy Woodpeckers in my yard even
though typically there are only 2 at my feeders, sometimes up to 4.
I do the same thing with hawks coming into the yard. As the back of my yard
is only 50-feet away, I can usually get a very good look at them if they're
perched (they really like the brush pile as the House Sparrows dive into
there), and so can determine the age (and I also note eye color which can
very between same-aged birds). And I've handled enough of these birds to be
able to reasonably guess as to their sex based on size. Most winters, there
is more than one Cooper's Hawk that visits based on differences in
age/sex/eye color, and often at least one, sometimes more Sharp-shinned
Hawks. Last winter, I noted three Cooper's Hawks through the season, but
serendipitously captured and banded two adult males that appeared identical
in plumage and eye color! So, there were probably 4 of them at different
times through the season. And, there were at least two Sharp-shinned Hawks
that came around as well, one streak-breasted immature (female) and one
rufous-barred adult (male). Overall, hawks visit the yard once a week or
less, so the casual observer might think only one hawk was around, or one
individual of each species. Looking more closely can certainly give you more
information on what's in your yard.
As far as other wanderings of "resident" birds, consider sightings of banded
birds at the feeders at the Nature Center at Metro Beach Metropark, which is
0.4 mile away (straight line distance) from my banding area in the park.
Banded Northern Cardinals, Downy Woodpeckers, Black-capped Chickadees, and
Red-winged Blackbirds have been noted at the feeders at the Nature Center,
and this fall an immature male Common Yellowthroat found its way INSIDE the
Nature Center (it was captured and released unharmed outside). A couple
years ago, a Northern Cardinal banded at Metro Beach hit the window of a car
dealership in Mt. Clemens the winter after it was banded, a distance of 4
miles!
Allen T. Chartier
amazilia1(at)comcast.net
Inkster, Michigan, USA
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Subject: [birders] Re: Visteon Gulls- Wayne Co 12/22
From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 23 Dec 2009 7:23am
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Birders,
This points out the feast or famine nature of both of these sites. I too =
was at both locales on Tuesday, in the morning for about an hour at the =
"Visteon" pond and about a half-hour at Edison Lake/ French's Landing.
At Visteon Ponds I found at least a couple thousand gulls on the water, =
but only 10 Great Black-backs (4 adults and 6 first-winters) were the =
highlights. None of the goodies that Skye found were present (I assume =
he was there in the afternoon as I saw no other birders in the morning). =
The only other species I had here were Herring and Ring-billed Gulls, =
Canada Geese and Mallards (no other waterfowl either).
At Edison Lake, only Canada Geese and Mallards (one white one), with no =
herons.
So, if at first you don't succeed at these sites, try again!
Allen T. Chartier
amazilia1(at)comcast.net
Inkster, Michigan, USA
----- Original Message -----=20
From: theowlranch=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:38 PM
Subject: [birders] Visteon Gulls- Wayne Co 12/22
Howdy folks,
I spent a few hours at the Visteon pond off of I-275 in southern Wayne =
County today. There were a couple thousand gulls to sift through, and a =
handful of goodies to enjoy. Despite looking a few times now, I have not =
seen Darrin's Franklin's Gull, a most excellent December find!
However today there were,
Thayer's Gull- 1 1st cycle
Thayer's/Iceland Gull- 2 adults
Glaucous Gull- 1 adult
Lesser Black-backed Gull- 2 (1 1st cycle, 1 adult)
Great Black-backed Gull-23 (various age classes)
The more interesting waterfowl included 3 Redhead, a female Canvasback =
and a female Hooded Merganser.=20
Over at French's Landing there were two Great Blue Herons duking it =
out for the privilege of standing over a hole in the ice shelf. Aren't =
herons on ice just about one of the most pitiful things one can see?
~Skye Haas
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Subject: [birders] Re: Visteon Gulls- Wayne Co 12/22
From: curt powell <curt.curt(AT)yahoo.com>
Date: 23 Dec 2009 4:32am
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Hey all,=0A=0AThey landfills that you see from I275 to the um, maybe NNE=A0=
attract those gulls.=A0 They stream back and forth all day, all winter.=A0 =
I'm sure I'm not the only one to see those clouds of gulls over the landfil=
ls and wish I could find a way in.=A0 I don't know if all of them go to Bel=
leville, but a lot of them sure do.=0A=0ACurt=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________=
_________________=0AFrom: Allen T. Chartier <amazilia1(AT)comcast.net>=0ATo: b=
irders(AT)umich.edu=0ASent: Wed, December 23, 2009 7:23:34 AM=0ASubject: [bird=
ers] Re: Visteon Gulls- Wayne Co 12/22=0A=0A=0ABirders,=0A=A0=0AThis points=
out the feast or famine nature of both of these sites. I too was at both l=
ocales on Tuesday, in the morning for about an hour at the "Visteon" pond a=
nd about a half-hour at Edison Lake/ French's Landing.=0A=A0=0AAt Visteon P=
onds I found at least a couple thousand gulls on the water, but only 10 Gre=
at Black-backs (4 adults and 6 first-winters) were the highlights. None of =
the goodies that Skye found were present (I assume he was there in the afte=
rnoon as I saw no other birders in the morning). The only other species I h=
ad here were Herring and Ring-billed Gulls, Canada Geese and Mallards (no o=
ther waterfowl either).=0A=A0=0AAt Edison Lake, only Canada Geese and Malla=
rds (one white one), with no herons.=0A=A0=0ASo, if at first you don't succ=
eed at these sites, try again!=0A=A0=0AAllen T. Chartier=0Aamazilia1(at)com=
cast.net=0AInkster, Michigan, USA=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: =
theowlranch =0A>To: birders(AT)umich.edu =0A>Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 =
10:38 PM=0A>Subject: [birders] Visteon Gulls- Wayne Co 12/22=0A>=0A>=0A>How=
dy folks, =0A>=0A>=0A>I spent a few hours at the Visteon pond off of I-275 =
in southern Wayne County today. There were a couple thousand gulls to sift =
through, and a handful of goodies to enjoy. Despite looking a few times now=
, I have not seen Darrin's Franklin's Gull, a most excellent December find!=
=0A>=0A>=0A>However today there were, =0A>=0A>=0A>Thayer's Gull- 1 1st cyc=
le =0A>Thayer's/Iceland Gull- 2 adults =0A>Glaucous Gull- 1 adult =0A>Lesse=
r Black-backed Gull- 2 (1 1st cycle, 1 adult) =0A>Great Black-backed Gull-2=
3 (various age classes)=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>The more interesting waterfowl inclu=
ded 3 Redhead, a female Canvasback and a female Hooded Merganser.=A0 =0A>=
=0A>=0A>Over at French's Landing there were two Great Blue Herons duking it=
out for the privilege of standing over a hole in the ice shelf. Aren't her=
ons on ice just about one of the most pitiful things one can see? =0A>=0A>=
=0A>~Skye Haas---=0A>* birders FAQ - http://www.umich.edu/~bbowman/birds/bi=
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Subject: [birders] OT: Camera stores
From: Lvanfaasen(AT)aol.com
Date: 23 Dec 2009 7:41am
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Many birders have mentioned good Camera stores, since the loss of Adray.
Can anyone tell me again what choices are now available?
Thank you,
Laura
Ann Arbor
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Subject: [birders] Re: Visteon Gulls- Wayne Co 12/22
From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 23 Dec 2009 7:47am
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Curt,
Yes, many, many gulls visit the Woodland Meadows Landfill and are surely =
the same birds that are at the Visteon Pond. Over the years I've seen =
Great Black-backed, Glaucous, Iceland, and Lesser Black-backed Gulls =
inside here. I take my recycling there about once a month (we don't have =
curbside pickup of recycling in Inkster), and bring my binoculars there =
when I do. But I try to be inconspicuous about it because I was told to =
stop once by an employee there even though I was parked nowhere near the =
traffic pattern. I'm sure if I brought out a scope they'd kick me out. =
Depending on where they're bulldozing the garbage, the gulls can =
sometimes be viewed from outside the landfill from the shoulder of Van =
Born Road on the north side or Hannan Road on the east side.
Allen T. Chartier
amazilia1(at)comcast.net
Inkster, Michigan, USA
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From: curt powell=20
To: Allen T. Chartier ; birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: [birders] Re: Visteon Gulls- Wayne Co 12/22
Hey all,
They landfills that you see from I275 to the um, maybe NNE attract =
those gulls. They stream back and forth all day, all winter. I'm sure =
I'm not the only one to see those clouds of gulls over the landfills and =
wish I could find a way in. I don't know if all of them go to =
Belleville, but a lot of them sure do.
Curt
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
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From: Allen T. Chartier <amazilia1(AT)comcast.net>
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 7:23:34 AM
Subject: [birders] Re: Visteon Gulls- Wayne Co 12/22
Birders,
This points out the feast or famine nature of both of these sites. I =
too was at both locales on Tuesday, in the morning for about an hour at =
the "Visteon" pond and about a half-hour at Edison Lake/ French's =
Landing.
At Visteon Ponds I found at least a couple thousand gulls on the =
water, but only 10 Great Black-backs (4 adults and 6 first-winters) were =
the highlights. None of the goodies that Skye found were present (I =
assume he was there in the afternoon as I saw no other birders in the =
morning). The only other species I had here were Herring and Ring-billed =
Gulls, Canada Geese and Mallards (no other waterfowl either).
At Edison Lake, only Canada Geese and Mallards (one white one), with =
no herons.
So, if at first you don't succeed at these sites, try again!
Allen T. Chartier
amazilia1(at)comcast.net
Inkster, Michigan, USA
----- Original Message -----=20
From: theowlranch=20
To: birders(AT)umich.edu=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:38 PM
Subject: [birders] Visteon Gulls- Wayne Co 12/22
Howdy folks,=20
I spent a few hours at the Visteon pond off of I-275 in southern =
Wayne County today. There were a couple thousand gulls to sift through, =
and a handful of goodies to enjoy. Despite looking a few times now, I =
have not seen Darrin's Franklin's Gull, a most excellent December find!=20
However today there were,=20
Thayer's Gull- 1 1st cycle=20
Thayer's/Iceland Gull- 2 adults=20
Glaucous Gull- 1 adult=20
Lesser Black-backed Gull- 2 (1 1st cycle, 1 adult)=20
Great Black-backed Gull-23 (various age classes)
The more interesting waterfowl included 3 Redhead, a female =
Canvasback and a female Hooded Merganser. =20
Over at French's Landing there were two Great Blue Herons duking it =
out for the privilege of standing over a hole in the ice shelf. Aren't =
herons on ice just about one of the most pitiful things one can see?=20
~Skye Haas
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Subject: [birders] Re: Visteon Gulls- Wayne Co 12/22
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Date: 23 Dec 2009 7:51am
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Curt,
One more thing... The Visteon Pond is about 1.5 miles due south of the =
Woodland Meadows Landfill, and Edison (Belleville) Lake is about 1.75 =
miles SW of the Visteon Pond. You are correct, gulls travel =
back-and-forth between these three sites (perhaps others?) all day.
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Subject: [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter?
From: "Fred Kaluza" <fkaluza(AT)yahoo.com>
Date: 23 Dec 2009 9:14am
Very cool stuff Allen and ditto your report of the Titmice. 2 or 3
have been regulars here for the last couple months and that's completely new
for me. In the last 15 years I've only otherwise had a single Titmouse that
was here for a day or two and now I've got these guys calling to each other
when the sun is out and have seen them checking-out cavities around the yard
too. I wonder if they'll stay and breed locally in the Spring?
Still waiting for an RBNB this year as others are getting them but
not here yet. Also WBNH remain very-very infrequent as well. Would also
enjoy some Siskins too. What was the other irrupter you were tracking last
year that is so fond of Pine cones? Was it White-Winged Crossbills?
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From: Allen T. Chartier [mailto:amazilia1(AT)comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:18 AM
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Subject: [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter?
Fred,
Yes, Julie and I have shared banded American Goldfinches, a species that
appears to be highly mobile in winter. The distance between RRBO and my
house is about 4 miles in a straight line, and between the Craves residence
and my house a little over 5 miles. It becomes clear where all the thistle
seed is going when you realize that goldfinches from as far as 5 miles away
may be using my tiny yard!
This fall, I suddenly had Tufted Titmice (at least 3) show up and attend my
feeders steadily, something that hasn't happened here in years. Among them
was a bird that Julie banded at RRBO only a few days before it turned up
here (and it is still here; I saw it yesterday...Julie bands on the left leg
and I band on the right). So, even individuals that appear to be sedentary
can and will move around.
Without banding, looking closely and keeping track of the age and/or sex of
individuals can give you an idea of how many are visiting your feeders. For
example, if you see only 3 Downy Woodpeckers at a time, but observe 3
females at once, than another time 3 males, then obviously you have 6 of
them. So far since October, I've banded 10 Downy Woodpeckers in my yard even
though typically there are only 2 at my feeders, sometimes up to 4.
I do the same thing with hawks coming into the yard. As the back of my yard
is only 50-feet away, I can usually get a very good look at them if they're
perched (they really like the brush pile as the House Sparrows dive into
there), and so can determine the age (and I also note eye color which can
very between same-aged birds). And I've handled enough of these birds to be
able to reasonably guess as to their sex based on size. Most winters, there
is more than one Cooper's Hawk that visits based on differences in
age/sex/eye color, and often at least one, sometimes more Sharp-shinned
Hawks. Last winter, I noted three Cooper's Hawks through the season, but
serendipitously captured and banded two adult males that appeared identical
in plumage and eye color! So, there were probably 4 of them at different
times through the season. And, there were at least two Sharp-shinned Hawks
that came around as well, one streak-breasted immature (female) and one
rufous-barred adult (male). Overall, hawks visit the yard once a week or
less, so the casual observer might think only one hawk was around, or one
individual of each species. Looking more closely can certainly give you more
information on what's in your yard.
As far as other wanderings of "resident" birds, consider sightings of banded
birds at the feeders at the Nature Center at Metro Beach Metropark, which is
0.4 mile away (straight line distance) from my banding area in the park.
Banded Northern Cardinals, Downy Woodpeckers, Black-capped Chickadees, and
Red-winged Blackbirds have been noted at the feeders at the Nature Center,
and this fall an immature male Common Yellowthroat found its way INSIDE the
Nature Center (it was captured and released unharmed outside). A couple
years ago, a Northern Cardinal banded at Metro Beach hit the window of a car
dealership in Mt. Clemens the winter after it was banded, a distance of 4
miles!
Allen T. Chartier
amazilia1(at)comcast.net
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Subject: [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter?
From: "Fred Kaluza" <fkaluza(AT)yahoo.com>
Date: 23 Dec 2009 9:29am
Cendra your birds will be back. They have added your yard to their
rotation and will cycle by depending on what else is available in your area.
Around here I don't think many other people feed birds so I'm likely the
best deal around for 1/2 mile in any direction. Your area might offer them
more choices. Better for the birds but maybe not better for you as an
observer.
Keep us posted on what you see. Tip for Woodpeckers...If you have
one of those green wire suet feeders that are exactly made for the
common-sized suet blocks, the male Downies will be just about perfectly as
long as the length of an edge and the females here are just about the length
of a diagonal on the suet block (corner to corner). Anything that extends
beyond those dimensions gets my "Hairy WP" senses tingling. Then it's all
about the beak-to head ratio for confirmation. Never had a Red-Head here
and only one Sapsucker and one Pileated in 16 years so in year-round order
of abundance it's Downy, Hairy, Flicker and Red-Bellied.
Fred in Warren
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From: Cendra Lynn [mailto:cendra(AT)digitalrealm.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 1:08 AM
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Subject: [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter?
Around here the birds are depending on something other than the neighborhood
feeders! Sherri's pet Cooper's Hawk seems to be keeping everyone at bay.
In the last week I saw one lone woodpecker (still studying the book to
decide which kind it was) and yesterday a small flock of sparrows that all
dove inside a neighbor's bush when the nightly crow migration began before
dusk. My neighbor said she saw a couple finshes at her sock. That's it.
Silent Winter. I just hope the hawk decides soon that the cupboard is bare
over here and moves on to anywhere else. I've suggested Sherri keep it in
her garage and feed it, but had no reply.... :-)
Cendra Lynn, Birder Wannabe
OWS, A2
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From: Penny [mailto:Jumpthroughhoops(AT)yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:52 PM
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Subject: [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter?
Typically, I think, a flock of birds would find a patch of land with their
type of food growing on it, consume all available food there, and then,
move on to find the next place with abundant food and repeat the process.
Over the years, these places would be fairly constant at certain times of
year, unless disturbed by farming or sprawl. In the wild some of these
birds would die if the flock was unable to find replacement feeding
grounds. With feeders, the food diminishes but is immediately replaced,
so the birds don't have to move on to another feeding ground. They also
don't have to travel exhausting distances; even the weaker birds can fly
across the street to your feeder. This allows more birds to survive and
allows the adults to bring their young to the sure source of food. I know
in my yard, at least, all naturally occurring breeds in this area have
increased every year - way more grackles, robins, and red-wing blackbirds
in spring and summer, more cardinals, goldfinches, chickadees, titmice,
doves, and nuthatches in winter. And more hawks. I now have dozens of
birds of each species, whereas I used to only have one or 2 at a time. I
counted 12 juncos this morning, over 20 goldfinches, and 6 or so
cardinals. I've even seen chickadees caching seeds for later when the
feeders are freshly filled.
As for the mourning dove behavior mentioned by Fred, I find that they are
hard to see in my yard, blending in so well with wood chips, etc.,that
I've almost stepped on them, and they are rarely taken by hawks here. I
think they rely on camo more than brains.
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Subject: [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter?
From: "Fred Kaluza" <fkaluza(AT)yahoo.com>
Date: 23 Dec 2009 9:42am
Agreed on the probability aspect Sally but when entire areas of the
state are hit economically bad enough in working-class neighborhoods to the
point where owners are giving-up their cats and dogs, I think it's a safe
bet that many in the area are also foregoing their expenditures on bird
seed. This of course can lead to increased pressure on those feeders that
remain and give the appearance of INCREASED numbers of birds all around.
After-all, it's probably your full-time feeding enthusiasts that also
participate in projects like "Project Feeder Watch" and the casual or
once-in-a while feeders don't realize how they've been helping incrementally
all along.
I wonder if that's likely to skew the tallies too? It's always
something to consider. With human intervention, even our birds have become
linked to our economic woes. At least in areas where human activity
dominates.
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From: Sally K Scheer [mailto:winerat(AT)villagecorner.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:32 AM
To: birders(AT)umich.edu
Subject: [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter?
My pragmatic sister reminds me that "wild things are used to their sources
of food disappearing and will find other sources when that happen". A wild
natural source of food may disappear just as a bird feeder may run out of
food and not be resupplied immediately. The population crash that's likely
to occur if the plug is pulled is probably that the localized population
went to the feeder down the street or across town. I don't think the picture
of birds dropping out of the sky from starvation is very probable.
Sally Scheer
North of Rogers City
Presque Isle & Bearinger Townships
on the Shore of Lake Huron
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From: "Fred Kaluza" <fkaluza(AT)yahoo.com>
To: <birders(AT)umich.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:28 PM
Subject: [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter?
> Good comments Penny, I agree that the camouflage is pretty-darn good
> on Doves and as pointed-out, whatever they're doing seems to have become a
> working strategy for survival based on their numbers. The scary thing
> about
> feeders is what will become of our catered-to feathered friends should
> caring and generous suburban residents pull the plug on their supplemental
> repasts? I think an extreme and fairly localized population crash would
> result. There's been some good science recently on tracking and locating
> migrating birds with a new generation of tracking devices. I wonder how
> much is known about the wanderings of "resident" birds?
>
> Certainly recapture studies from Julie Craves and Allen Chartier
> give some info about the home areas of "local" birds and I've personally
> wondered about the size of "my Coopers Hawk's" territory or whether "my"
> Downy Woodpeckers or Black-Capped Chickadees wander more than 1/2 mile
> from
> my yard? My mother-in-law has detected on more than one occasion when
> I've
> run out of Nyger or Thistle seed based on how many more Goldfinches show
> up
> at her house but that's only 5 houses down the street.
>
> P.S. K9 pet food and supply on Mound Road just got some 50 lb bags
> of Thistle from that grower in Shiawassee County for like $33 per bag!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Penny [mailto:Jumpthroughhoops(AT)yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:52 PM
> To: birders(AT)umich.edu
> Subject: [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter?
>
> Typically, I think, a flock of birds would find a patch of land with their
> type of food growing on it, consume all available food there, and then,
> move on to find the next place with abundant food and repeat the process.
> Over the years, these places would be fairly constant at certain times of
> year, unless disturbed by farming or sprawl. In the wild some of these
> birds would die if the flock was unable to find replacement feeding
> grounds. With feeders, the food diminishes but is immediately replaced,
> so the birds don't have to move on to another feeding ground. They also
> don't have to travel exhausting distances; even the weaker birds can fly
> across the street to your feeder. This allows more birds to survive and
> allows the adults to bring their young to the sure source of food. I know
> in my yard, at least, all naturally occurring breeds in this area have
> increased every year - way more grackles, robins, and red-wing blackbirds
> in spring and summer, more cardinals, goldfinches, chickadees, titmice,
> doves, and nuthatches in winter. And more hawks. I now have dozens of
> birds of each species, whereas I used to only have one or 2 at a time. I
> counted 12 juncos this morning, over 20 goldfinches, and 6 or so
> cardinals. I've even seen chickadees caching seeds for later when the
> feeders are freshly filled.
> As for the mourning dove behavior mentioned by Fred, I find that they are
> hard to see in my yard, blending in so well with wood chips, etc.,that
> I've almost stepped on them, and they are rarely taken by hawks here. I
> think they rely on camo more than brains.
>
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Subject: [birders] Peregrine this morning
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Subject: [birders] Feeder birds
From: Ann Zinn <annczinn(AT)umich.edu>
Date: 23 Dec 2009 10:06am
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4-5 Titmice, almost double my usual, as others are finding.
5-6 chickadees, an increase, as reported by others.
Woodpeckers: downy, hairy, flicker, red-bellied. At least 2 downies,
not sure about the number of others, but there seem to always be at
least one at the suet.
Red breasted and white-breasted nuthatches. I only see one at a time.
At least 5 cardinals.
8 juncoes
2 or 3 House finches
5 or 6 goldfinches, also more than usual.
5 bluejays
3 Crows, chowing down on cracked corn, and looking for the dead mice I
occasionally catch near the inside birdfood containers and put out
under the feeder for them.
Mourning Dove numbers seem to be down. Last year 8-10; this year 3-6.
No shows: no siskins yet. No reappearance of the white-winged
crossbill from two years ago when they were first spotted here.
Carolina Wren hasn't reappeared, though it was around earlier in the
fall.
I'm keeping watch for the Cornell Feeder Watch program again. Will
post any unusual sightings here, too.
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Subject: [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter?
From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1(AT)comcast.net>
Date: 23 Dec 2009 10:34am
Fred,
Well, at least two Tufted Titmice could be depended on before about 2001,
when West Nile Virus hit us. This fall/winter's influx is the first sign
I've seen of recovery in this species in my area (and other areas where I
bird). Chickadees seemed to recover (though not to former populations)
sooner.
Yes, I was tracking the White-winged Crossbills last winter, along with Chip
Francke. I don't plan on getting involved in anything like that this winter
:-)
Allen T. Chartier
amazilia1(at)comcast.net
Inkster, Michigan, USA
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From: "Fred Kaluza" <fkaluza(AT)yahoo.com>
To: "'Allen T. Chartier'" <amazilia1(AT)comcast.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:14 AM
Subject: RE: [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter?
> Very cool stuff Allen and ditto your report of the Titmice. 2 or 3
> have been regulars here for the last couple months and that's completely
> new
> for me. In the last 15 years I've only otherwise had a single Titmouse
> that
> was here for a day or two and now I've got these guys calling to each
> other
> when the sun is out and have seen them checking-out cavities around the
> yard
> too. I wonder if they'll stay and breed locally in the Spring?
>
> Still waiting for an RBNB this year as others are getting them but
> not here yet. Also WBNH remain very-very infrequent as well. Would also
> enjoy some Siskins too. What was the other irrupter you were tracking
> last
> year that is so fond of Pine cones? Was it White-Winged Crossbills?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allen T. Chartier [mailto:amazilia1(AT)comcast.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:18 AM
> To: birders(AT)umich.edu
> Subject: [birders] RE: Do birds depend on feeders in winter?
>
> Fred,
>
> Yes, Julie and I have shared banded American Goldfinches, a species that
> appears to be highly mobile in winter. The distance between RRBO and my
> house is about 4 miles in a straight line, and between the Craves
> residence
> and my house a little over 5 miles. It becomes clear where all the thistle
> seed is going when you realize that goldfinches from as far as 5 miles
> away
> may be using my tiny yard!
>
> This fall, I suddenly had Tufted Titmice (at least 3) show up and attend
> my
> feeders steadily, something that hasn't happened here in years. Among them
> was a bird that Julie banded at RRBO only a few days before it turned up
> here (and it is still here; I saw it yesterday...Julie bands on the left
> leg
>
> and I band on the right). So, even individuals that appear to be sedentary
> can and will move around.
>
> Without banding, looking closely and keeping track of the age and/or sex
> of
> individuals can give you an idea of how many are visiting your feeders.
> For
> example, if you see only 3 Downy Woodpeckers at a time, but observe 3
> females at once, than another time 3 males, then obviously you have 6 of
> them. So far since October, I've banded 10 Downy Woodpeckers in my yard
> even
>
> though typically there are only 2 at my feeders, sometimes up to 4.
>
> I do the same thing with hawks coming into the yard. As the back of my
> yard
> is only 50-feet away, I can usually get a very good look at them if
> they're
> perched (they really like the brush pile as the House Sparrows dive into
> there), and so can determine the age (and I also note eye color which can
> very between same-aged birds). And I've handled enough of these birds to
> be
> able to reasonably guess as to their sex based on size. Most winters,
> there
> is more than one Cooper's Hawk that visits based on differences in
> age/sex/eye color, and often at least one, sometimes more Sharp-shinned
> Hawks. Last winter, I noted three Cooper's Hawks through the season, but
> serendipitously captured and banded two adult males that appeared
> identical
> in plumage and eye color! So, there were probably 4 of them at different
> times through the season. And, there were at least two Sharp-shinned Hawks
> that came around as well, one streak-breasted immature (female) and one
> rufous-barred adult (male). Overall, hawks visit the yard once a week or
> less, so the casual observer might think only one hawk was around, or one
> individual of each species. Looking more closely can certainly give you
> more
>
> information on what's in your yard.
>
> As far as other wanderings of "resident" birds, consider sightings of
> banded
>
> birds at the feeders at the Nature Center at Metro Beach Metropark, which
> is
>
> 0.4 mile away (straight line distance) from my banding area in the park.
> Banded Northern Cardinals, Downy Woodpeckers, Black-capped Chickadees, and
> Red-winged Blackbirds have been noted at the feeders at the Nature Center,
> and this fall an immature male Common Yellowthroat found its way INSIDE
> the
> Nature Center (it was captured and released unharmed outside). A couple
> years ago, a Northern Cardinal banded at Metro Beach hit the window of a
> car
>
> dealership in Mt. Clemens the winter after it was banded, a distance of 4
> miles!
>
> Allen T. Chartier
> amazilia1(at)comcast.net
> Inkster, Michigan, USA
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Subject: [birders] Mocker Still at Gleaner & Joy Road Washtenaw
County
From: Roger Kuhlman <rkuhlman(AT)hotmail.com>
Date: 23 Dec 2009 3:27pm
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The Mockingbird seen by Roger Wykes and Andy Johnson on the Ann Arbor Chirs=
tmas Bird Count near Joy and Gleaner roads (just north of Ann Arbor in Wash=
tenaw County) was still there on Wednesday afternoon December 23. It was ha=
nging out in some tangles and brushy vegetation east of Gleaner road and so=
uth of Joy around 2:30pm. Several Eastern Bluebirds were also in the same l=
ocation.
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Roger Kuhlman
Ann Arbor=2C Michigan
12/23/2009
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What results will follow from the national demographic policies pursued by =
liberal Democarat elites of high legal immigration and recurrent amnesties =
for illegal immigrants? Political power for those elites. Lower living stan=
dards and a ravaged environment for the average American citizen. Can't you=
just eagerly anticipate 500 million Americans in 2050?
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Subject: [birders] Visteon and Hines Park Wayne County
From: "todd" <tpalgut(AT)gmail.com>
Date: 23 Dec 2009 4:27pm
Hello and Merry Christmas,
I visited Grace Lake at Visteon this afternoon about 3PM. There were a
thousand or so gulls and a few hundred geese.
I had one LESSER BLACK-BACKED GULL and about 10 GREAT BLACK-BACKED Gulls.
Yesterday at Hines Park in Western Wayne County I had 1 WHITE THROATED
SPARROW, a CAROLINA WREN, and one fly over
BELTED KINGFISHER.
Thanks,
Todd
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Subject: [birders] Re: OT: Camera stores: Jerry Sadowski at Woodward
Camera
From: jersadowsk(AT)aol.com
Date: 23 Dec 2009 10:46pm
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Laura and Birders,
I am now working at Woodward Camera in Birmingham.
33501 Woodward. Four blocks north of 14 Mile on the west side of Woodward.
Birmingham, MI 48009
248-642-1985
_www.woodwardcamera.com_ (http://www.woodwardcamera.com)
We are not stocking too many birding optics at the present, but that will
change.
We currently have a selection of Swarovski binoculars and scopes.
Of course we stock cameras.
Please feel free to call with any questions.
Jerry Sadowski
Formerly of Adray Camera, Dearborn.
In a message dated 12/23/2009 7:47:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Lvanfaasen(AT)aol.com writes:
Many birders have mentioned good Camera stores, since the loss of Adray.
Can anyone tell me again what choices are now available?
Thank you,
Laura
Ann Arbor
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